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Ted Stevens Loses Senate Re-Election Bid

JakartaDean writes "Senator Ted Stevens of Alaska, famed Internet regulator, has lost his Senate seat. The AP is reporting that 'Stevens was declared the loser in Alaska on Tuesday night after a two-week-long process of counting nearly 90,000 absentee and early votes from across Alaska. With this victory, Democrat Mark Begich (the mayor of Anchorage) has defeated one of the giants in the US Senate by a 3,724-vote margin, a stunning end to a 40-year Senate career marred by Stevens' conviction on corruption charges a week before the election.' It's probably too early to tell what this means for Internet regulation, but at least there's a > 0 chance that the next committee chair will understand something about the Net."

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  1. Too Bad by fistfullast33l · · Score: 4, Funny

    Senator Stevens re-election bid is down the tubes.

    1. Re:Too Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Senator Stevens re-election bid is down the tubes.

      To add insult to injury -- a whole series of them!

    2. Re:Too Bad by negRo_slim · · Score: 4, Funny

      Senator Stevens re-election bid is down the tubes.

      Hey Slashdot ain't a big truck. You can't just dump anything on it, more it's like a series of tubes. And all your damn YouTubes, why I had my staff send me an Internet the other day, took 2 weeks to get here!

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    3. Re:Too Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      When asked to comment, Senator Stevens was reported to have called the voters "A series of n00bs"

    4. Re:Too Bad by indifferent+children · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Stevens = pwnd!

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    5. Re:Too Bad by LrdDimwit · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This IS Alaska. The population density in most of the state is even lower than most rural parts of the rest of the country, I expect. So it's more a "series of rubes".

      C'mon, guys, how many more times after this are we really gonna be able to beat this dead meme? You could at least try... ;)

  2. I'm amazed by Swordopolis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    that it got this close. I figured this would be an absolute stomping after Senator Tubes became a convicted felon.

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    1. Re:I'm amazed by andytrevino · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah -- essentially what this result means is that those Alaskans who cast their vote for Stevens would rather vote for a shamelessly corrupt convicted felon than for a Democrat.

      Most of the time, I'm with 'em. ;)

      (though, to be fair, he would have probably resigned and been replaced with a better candidate by appointment or special election, had he won.)

    2. Re:I'm amazed by siddesu · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well, the local vote doesn't rest so much on the personal qualities of a candidate so much on his ability to bring pork to his district. Having been convicted on things like having a piece of furniture in his home won't impress votes who depend on the pork for their jobs that much. And from what little I drained from the tubes on the topic, Mr. Stevens was an expert at getting quality output from them pork tubes.

      Besides, he doesn't stand alone, and it dozen't only happen in the US. In Japan a few years back an MP got convicted, did jail time, got out and got promptly re-elected, despite the national media turning him into a sort of laughingstock. Similarities: he was from the northern, relatively unpopulated and cold part of Japan, and he was a "pork expert".

      So, it is either the pork, or the ice. You decide.

    3. Re:I'm amazed by amRadioHed · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, it occurred to me that's probably why he was still voted for. If he was forced out of office in disgrace he would be replaced by another less obviously disgraceful Republican. At least I hope that's what happened, although after seeing who they elected Governor I could be giving Alaskan's too much credit.

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    4. Re:I'm amazed by MillenneumMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm NOT amazed. Congress collectively has an approval rating below ten percent leading up to the election and yet over 96 percent get re-elected. The American electorate definitely get what they deserve because they keep sending the same idiots back time and time again.

      The real shame is that it takes a felony conviction to create enough momentum to throw the guy out. How that William Jefferson in Louisiana is still in office is beyond comprehension.

    5. Re:I'm amazed by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm NOT amazed. Congress collectively has an approval rating below ten percent leading up to the election and yet over 96 percent get re-elected. The American electorate definitely get what they deserve because they keep sending the same idiots back time and time again.

      It's called gerrymandering and the congress, they doing it right.

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    6. Re:I'm amazed by caitsith01 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Indeed. Contrary to the breathless summary:

      With this victory, Democrat Mark Begich (the mayor of Anchorage) has defeated one of the giants in the US Senate by a 3,724-vote margin, a stunning end to a 40-year Senate career

      what would have been "stunning" would have been if Stevens survived. In fact the pre-election polls suggested he was a goner, and the fact that he nearly won was very surprising.

      What this really means is that (a) the Repugs won't have to vote to sack one of their own from the senate and (b) Palin won't get a run at this senate seat.

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    7. Re:I'm amazed by ricklg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, but it could also mean that the alternative choice is even worse than the berated incumbent.

      Maryland (my state) is just about all Democratic. The Republicans often run some turkey just to have a race. The results are usually embarrassing to the Republicans, but at least they tried.

      As a registered Republican I've been frustrated year after year having to vote for the Democrat (usually the incumbent) because the Republican was clearly unqualified.

    8. Re:I'm amazed by omeomi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      what would have been "stunning" would have been if Stevens survived.

      Well, I don't know about "stunning"... Is there anything left that our elected leaders can do that would really "stun" the American public?

    9. Re:I'm amazed by Alchemist253 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Gerrymandering is impossible in Senate elections as long as state borders remain fixed.

    10. Re:I'm amazed by Kandenshi · · Score: 5, Interesting

      They're at least somewhat orthogonal I thought? I'm not American so sometimes I can have really skewed views of how things work down there, but I don't see either as junior to the other. They have a very different set of responsibilities and privileges.

      Regarding why she'd want to run... from up here I'd heard some rumblings about how Palin might have some executive experience, but a stunning lack of information about the rest of the country. Said persons then went on to suggest that some senate experience would be good for her if she wants to be involved in the 2012 race, get her some additional exposure out-of-state and some experience in Washington(being a maverick outsider renegade is all well and good, but some knowledge of how things work in Washington isn't entirely bad).

      I'm not sure how many millions of Americans this would carry weight with, but these two seemed to think it'd be a splendid idea.

    11. Re:I'm amazed by ushering05401 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Aren't Governers > Senators?"

      Strict constitutionalists would tell you so, or at least they tell me so. The nature, qty, and method of procuring the federal funding that flies around these days has made the D.C. delegations much more powerful than their state level counterparts.

      Anyhow, I usually hear the Civil War cited as the tipping point between state/federal power with feds going unchallenged for supremacy since I have been alive to witness.

    12. Re:I'm amazed by LMariachi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Only Alaskans have to put up with Governor Palin. All Americans would have to put up with Senator Palin.

    13. Re:I'm amazed by andytrevino · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I doubt Palin would have appointed herself. First off, that's probably against the law, or Governor Murkowski would have done it to himself a few years ago rather than appoint his daughter Lisa to the seat. Since then she has won reelection on her own merits.

      More importantly, though, if you look into Ms. Palin's history a bit you'll find that her whole campaign for Governor was pretty much based on running against the extremely corrupt Republican machine in Alaska.

      Appointing herself to the seat would cause her to lose all credibility on that issue with people like me, with whom it's a major selling point. :)

    14. Re:I'm amazed by deniable · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's job creation for comedians. Obama's election is making their jobs harder. Palin on a national stage would bring back the good times.

    15. Re:I'm amazed by deathy_epl+ccs · · Score: 3, Interesting

      First off, that's probably against the law, or Governor Murkowski would have done it to himself a few years ago rather than appoint his daughter Lisa to the seat.

      Why would he appoint himself to fill the seat he just vacated to become Governor?

      His appointing of his daughter was why we changed the laws here.

      Regarding Stevens, it's good to finally be rid of the embarrassment... too bad we're replacing him with someone who is equally corrupt - only instead of belonging to big oil, Begich belongs to organized crime.

      But then, corruption is a requirement to be in politics in the United States, so I guess Begich arrives well qualified.

    16. Re:I'm amazed by deathy_epl+ccs · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wait, never mind, Stevens has been kicking around longer than Alaska has been a state, precisely for that skill...

      Actually, Stevens became a Senator in 1968, whereas Alaska became a state in 1958. He's been a prick for much longer than Alaska's been a state, though.

    17. Re:I'm amazed by deathy_epl+ccs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Is there anything left that our elected leaders can do that would really "stun" the American public?

      If one of them were to turn out to be decent and upstanding, that would utterly shock us.

    18. Re:I'm amazed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      the term "executive experience" is only used because it was churned out on a massive scale by the Republican media machine. what exactly does it mean? does Mrs. Palin indeed have it or does it just make her sound better?

      _AC

    19. Re:I'm amazed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Regarding Stevens, it's good to finally be rid of the embarrassment... too bad we're replacing him with someone who is equally corrupt - only instead of belonging to big oil, Begich belongs to organized crime.

      Care to back that up with facts?

    20. Re:I'm amazed by Atario · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Two words: Marion Barry.

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    21. Re:I'm amazed by Leareth · · Score: 2, Funny

      Regarding Stevens, it's good to finally be rid of the embarrassment... too bad we're replacing him with someone who is equally corrupt - only instead of belonging to big oil, Begich belongs to organized crime.

      But then, corruption is a requirement to be in politics in the United States, so I guess Begich arrives well qualified.

      I'm an Alaskan and I approve of your statement.

      In fact I'm not sure I could have said it better.

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    22. Re:I'm amazed by Vainglorious+Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Gerrymandering is impossible in Senate elections as long as state borders remain fixed

      Not necessarily - if you can't move the borders, sometimes you can move the people cf 'Dame' Shirley Porter's gerrymandering in Westminster.

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    23. Re:I'm amazed by Fred+Ferrigno · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If he was forced out of office in disgrace he would be replaced by another less obviously disgraceful Republican. At least I hope that's what happened, although after seeing who they elected Governor I could be giving Alaskan's too much credit.

      Funny you should mention that. Even though his replacement would be chosen by special election and appointed, the consensus in the punditocracy was that Palin would run for the seat and probably win.

    24. Re:I'm amazed by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Obama made me realise quite how jaded I've become towards politics. He keeps doing and saying things I approve of, and I keep wondering what his ulterior motive is. The idea that he really believes what he's saying never occurred to me.

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    25. Re:I'm amazed by Thing+1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Funny you should mention that. Even though his replacement would be chosen by special election and appointed, the consensus in the punditocracy was that Palin would run for the seat and probably win.

      That's actually my favorite part about this: her national political career is now stillborn, she'll have to wait for an actual election to be able to take a Senate seat.

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    26. Re:I'm amazed by indifferent+children · · Score: 3, Insightful
      He tells everyone to their face he is going to anally violate them and everyone cheers. Can not call the guy a liar at all.

      Our nation is in debt. If you have moral character, you agree that you must service your debt until you can pay it off. This requires that revenues come from somewhere. I'll take an honest politician who tells me that I have to pay my share of the debt, to one who says, "Don't worry! There are no consequences to being deeply in debt, and nobody will have to sacrifice to pay off this debt." Yes, a big-taxing, big-spending Democrat is morally and effectively superior to a small-taxing, big-spending, big-debt Republican.

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    27. Re:I'm amazed by csartanis · · Score: 2, Informative

      The only link I see between Begich and organized crime on google is your post.

    28. Re:I'm amazed by DavidTC · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Afuckingmen.

      I've started calling them 'borrow and spend' Republicans.

      Look, I'm a progressive guy, and things like some sort of national health care make sense to me. But I can see how reasonable people would disagree.

      It's my job to get people in that would demonstrate that those people are incorrect, and it's other people's job to stop me, and we can behave rationally as we disagree.

      Meanwhile, I think our 'larger than the entire rest of the world combined' military budget is perhaps slighty to large unless there's some alien menace we don't know about, and I'll disagree there.

      But there is a place the Republican have not been behaving rationally: Taxes.

      Incoming must match outgo, period. This isn't debatable, this isn't some reasonable disagreement, we must take in as much as we spend, on average. (Year to year we can fiddle with that, overtaxing in a boom and undertaxing in the recession, but whatever.)

      And yet Republicans constantly pretend the amount of tax is government policy that they disagree on. That we're having some sort of fucking rational debate whether or not we should tax people enough to run the damn government!

      They do this because they, if you can't see my signature, want to 'drown the government in the bath tub'. They are attempting to cripple the government so badly that it can't actually run social services.

      You know what 'crippling the government' is, in my book? Treason

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    29. Re:I'm amazed by indifferent+children · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Meanwhile, I think our 'larger than the entire rest of the world combined' military budget is perhaps slighty to large unless there's some alien menace we don't know about, and I'll disagree there.

      I'm right there with you, politically. But a slight fact-check might be in order. Last I looked, the US defense budget is about 45% of the entire world. So we spend almost as much as the rest of the world combined, and about as much as the next 14 or so countries, combined. And that list of 14 countries includes all of the biggies: Russia, China, Germany, England, etc. Maybe with Iraq and Afghanistan supplementals included, we have crossed the 50% mark, but I haven't seen any numbers to say so.

      Barry Goldwater (perhaps the father of American Conservatism) gave a speech toward the end of his life. One of the things that he said is, "We have to turn The Pentagon into a triangle." Where have those kind of Conservatives gone? I like Ike: "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."

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    30. Re:I'm amazed by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 2, Funny

      I believe we have John McCain to thank for providing the media antibodies that will protect us against Sarah Palin in a national role well into the future. I mean, with an IQ of 83 she represents a certain segment of the underprivileged altogether too well...

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  3. No Senator Palin then by oldhack · · Score: 2

    This means Palin won't get the Senate seat (Senate would have kicked Stevens out if he won) as a staging post for her national ambition.

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    1. Re:No Senator Palin then by balazsrau · · Score: 2, Insightful

      She'll be elected in two years.

    2. Re:No Senator Palin then by oldhack · · Score: 3, Funny

      Gotta love American politics.

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  4. Oh noes! by geminidomino · · Score: 2, Funny

    Stevens goes bye bye and the tubes are already breaking down! Slashdot stories disappearing, seas boiling, dogs and cats living together!!!!

    This is the end!

  5. Re:To Be, or not To Be... by Atriqus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You mean it's actually possible to be more of a socialist for Alaska than Ted Stevens?!

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  6. He'll be missed by hyades1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As a vicious, corrupt scam artist (and convicted felon) whose major contribution to American politics was to funnel millions of taxpayers dollars into one "Bridge to Nowhere" after another, Ted Stevens is the perfect representative of one of the most influential segments of the internet community: spammers.

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  7. Re:Who's The Fool by Digitus1337 · · Score: 5, Informative

    And now we will be paying him to sit around and do nothing for the rest of his life.

    Thanks to his convictions, he will not have a pension, and may spend time in prison.

  8. An Alaskan's perspective by Alaska+Jack · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is just really sad. Ted Stevens played a greater role in the development of Alaska as a state than any other person. Most people outside Alaska are unaware that he was literally named Alaskan of the Century. Think about that for a moment.

    This is not to defend him. I disagreed with a lot of what he did. (Well, to be more accurate, I disagree with him and all the Robert Byrds, etc who stuffed their states full of pork at the expense of the nation. But at least Stevens had the excuse that Alaska really got a hugely raw deal in its statehood compact, and the lack of fulfillment thereof by the federal government.)

    Stevens eventually became exhibit A in the argument for term limits. Well OK, Exhibit C after Strom Thurmond and Robert Byrd.) When you are in office that long, you just naturally begin to believe that that office is YOURS, it belongs to YOU. And it's not fair that after your decades of able public service, your buddies on K Street are all filthy rich while you make a tenth of what they do. After all the billions you've brought to your state, who could possibly begrudge you $10,000 here or there? Heck, you DESERVE it!

    I just want to point out that at one time, there was more to Stevens' career than this, including distinguished service in the Army Air Corps in WWII.

        - Alaska Jack

    1. Re:An Alaskan's perspective by HW_Hack · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ""After all the billions you've brought to your state, who could possibly begrudge you $10,000 here or there? Heck, you DESERVE it!""

      Corruption is like pregnancy ... nobody is just a little pregnant. Whats his name Duke Cunningham (who used to be a Top Gun pilot) also found guilty corruption etc.

      A lot of "good" can be washed (down the tubes) by a little bad.

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    2. Re:An Alaskan's perspective by Comatose51 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's rare to have such nuanced views on Slashdot. As much as I wanted Stevens out of the Senate, your perspective on him is quite believable. The world isn't black and white or good vs. evil. People are often shades in between. It doesn't help our understanding of the world to type cast someone or see only one perspective/side of a person, a nation, or an issue.

      It is indeed sad to see someone with such a long service to fall to such lows.

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    3. Re:An Alaskan's perspective by schon · · Score: 2, Funny

      he was literally named Alaskan of the Century. Think about that for a moment.

      I thought about it.

      All I was really left with is that Alaskans must be really hard up for role-models.

    4. Re:An Alaskan's perspective by LanMan04 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Most people outside Alaska are unaware that he was literally named Alaskan of the Century. Think about that for a moment.

      Yeah, there must have been, what, 3 other contenders?

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  9. Re:If Stevens had won by j0nb0y · · Score: 3, Informative

    Alaska doesn't replace Senators by governor appointment. They would have had a special election. Palin likely would have won.

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  10. Re:Who's The Fool by plague911 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Thanks to his convictions," he will not have a pension," Actually according to the cnn he will. He was grandfathered in. As in recently they made a new law that any new senators who are convicted of felony But since Stevens has been around since before that law. He still gets your money.

  11. Re:Who's The Fool by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 2, Informative

    Also, he's 84. "Rest of his life" isn't going to be all that long in any case.

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  12. Re:Funny how recounts work by hplus · · Score: 4, Interesting
    There are two possible explanations for this phenomenon:

    a) Fraudulent ballots are being added for the Democratic candidate in the midst of the recount.

    b) For whatever reason, more valid democratic ballots went uncounted during the first counting.

    Since recounts are heavily observed by both sides, I find option a to be unlikely. To be perfectly accurate however, the Alaska race was never recounted - they just finished counting all the ballots (absentee and so on take longer) for the first time. Despite this, given the closeness of race, I find it hard to believe that election monitors for either side would have been so incompetent as to allow the level of fraud that you suggest.

  13. Re:To Be, or not To Be... by gutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Rights wise, you trust Republicans more than Democrats?

    You mean the republicans who fought against civil rights for blacks, gays, and immigrants, and are always looking for ways to suppress the vote? Or the the republicans behind the Terry Schiavo debacle? Or the republicans who decided pornography and medical marijuana were among the top priorities at the DOJ? Those republicans? Or the republicans who were basically 100% for the PATRIOT act, gutting FISA, and legalized torture?

    Those are the people you think are looking out for your civil rights? I'm not saying the Democrats are perfect on civil rights, but dedication to civil rights seems to be much more of a liberal issue (witness right-wing attacks on the ACLU).

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  14. he did it on my dime by YesIAmAScript · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Alaskans get $1.85 back for every $1.00 they pay to the Federal Gov't.

    So Ted Stevens played a huge role in developing Alaska on my dime. I don't need to laud him for that.

    What was wrong with the Alaskan statehood compact? From what I can tell, the Federal government purchased Alaska from Russian. Then turns some of the land over to the state of Alaska? And Alaska gets to charge severance tax on oil taken up there?

    Doesn't sound like a bad deal to me.

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    1. Re:he did it on my dime by Alaska+Jack · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, I hear that a lot. And when I do, I always respond: "Hey -- make you a deal. For you, no more pork for Alaska. For us, we get back the unprecedented 60% of Alaska owned by the federal government, to develop as we see fit."

      Any Alaskan would take that deal in a New York Second. We have far more natural resources than, say, Norway, which seems to get along just fine.

          - Alaska Jack

    2. Re:he did it on my dime by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Alaskans get $1.85 back for every $1.00 they pay to the Federal Gov't.

      Yeah, so? That's why their called 'taxes', not 'fees for service', it's a redistribution of wealth, metered out by politicians for favors.

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    3. Re:he did it on my dime by mudshark · · Score: 4, Informative

      Kwitcherbitchin.

      Nevada's got you beat six ways till Sunday. Utah and Oregon are not too far behind, and Idaho and Arizona are roughly 50 percent federally controlled on the basis of land area: Map plus top/bottom ten lists.

      What's more to the point is the fact the federal ownership does not necessarily exclude economic exploitation. A significant portion of federal lands in AK are wide open to oil and gas production, coal and hardrock mining (the latter in the form of legalized looting thanks the the 1872 Mining Act), timber (hello Tongass NF) and dozens of other industries.

      You've got a plethora of natural resources and lots of grubby opportunists who'd love an anarchic free-for-all to get while the gettin's good and say the fuck with the long-term consequences. Not too different from the placer miners in 1850s California, the sodbusters in the 1880s/1920s Great Plains, the real estate scammers and S&L kingpins of the 1980s, and myriad other shining examples of unfettered American enterprise. Thanks, but I'd rather see a steady hand on the controls even if some of y'all think it's a dead one.

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  15. Re:Who's The Fool by pchan- · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Thanks to his convictions, he will not have a pension, and may spend time in prison.

    Unless still-president Bush pardons him.

  16. Re:If Stevens had won by schon · · Score: 4, Funny

    They would have had a special election.

    Am I the only one who read the "special" in "special election" with the same connotation as "special olympics"? :)

  17. Re:To Be, or not To Be... by saforrest · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You mean it's actually possible to be more of a socialist for Alaska than Ted Stevens?!

    You do know that to be an actual socialist (as opposed to a cable-news caricature of one), you have to do more than just spend bucketloads of money on any random thing, right?

  18. Re:Funny how recounts work by gutter · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is neither surprising nor unusual.

    For a number of reasons provisional and absentee ballots have historically tended to favor democrats. These include the tendency for the poor & the elderly to vote democratic, as well as democratic voter outreach programs that focus on absentee ballots to lock in the vote early.

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  19. Lack of comprehension strikes again! by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's probably too early to tell what this means for Internet regulation, but at least there's a > 0 chance that the next committee chair will understand something about the Net."

    While this is certainly true, his failure of reelection has nothing whatsoever to do with any committee chairmanship, since the Democrats control the committee chairmanships in both House and Senate, and they weren't going to pick a Republican no matter what the result of the Alaska Senatorial race.

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  20. Re:Anti-White Racism in the Afro Community by rrhal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What does this rant have to do with Ted Stevens? He lost because during his trial a large number of Alaskans thought he looked like a lying politician. The people who voted early (during the trial) overwhelmingly voted for Begich.

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  21. Are you sure about that? by zippthorne · · Score: 3, Insightful

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964#Vote_totals

    The original House version:[9]

            * Democratic Party: 152-96 (61%-39%)
            * Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)

    The Senate version:[9]

            * Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%-31%)
            * Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)

    The Senate version, voted on by the House:[9]

            * Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%-37%)
            * Republican Party: 136-35 (80%-20%)

    See also 1968

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    1. Re:Are you sure about that? by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 5, Informative

      Oh christ not this shit again.

      Who signed the CRA into law? A Democrat.

      Where did most of the Democrats go in 1964 AFTER the vote on the CRA? The Republican side.

      What wing of what party ended segregation as per Newt Gingrich? Liberal Democrats.

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    2. Re:Are you sure about that? by goldmaneye · · Score: 3, Informative

      You seem to have forgotten a very important part of the article you are quoting:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964#By_party_and_region

      By party and region

      Note : "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

      The original House version:

      * Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7%-93%)

      * Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%)

      * Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%)

      * Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%-15%)

      The Senate version:

      * Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5%-95%) (only Senator Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)

      * Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0%-100%) (this was Senator John Tower of Texas)

      * Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%-2%) (only Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia opposed the measure)

      * Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%-16%) (Senators Bourke Hickenlooper of Iowa, Barry Goldwater of Arizona, Edwin L. Mechem of New Mexico, Milward L. Simpson of Wyoming, and Norris H. Cotton of New Hampshire opposed the measure)

      The vote was more along the lines of North/South (as defined in the article) than Democrat/Republican. Almost all of the Southern legislators voted against the act. It only appears that Democrats were more opposed to the measure (in terms of percentages) than Republicans because, to that point in time, Democrats had always had a stronger showing in Southern elections than Republicans.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_Democratic_Party#Civil_War.2C_Reconstruction.2C_and_the_Gilded_Age:_1854-1896

      That the South votes more heavily Republican is a recent phenomenon, dating to the Civil Rights act.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_Democratic_Party#The_Johnson_Years:_1963.E2.80.931968

    3. Re:Are you sure about that? by je+ne+sais+quoi · · Score: 2, Informative

      The parent is right, and in defense of the great-grand-parent, the democratic and republicans parties are not the same ones right now as they were in the 1964.

      On signing the CRA, Johnson is said to have remarked, "There goes the south for a generation." As the parent said, most of the dixiecrats like Strom Thurmond defected to the Republican side after this. The notable exception was Byrd, who repented his racism, but the majority of his electorate apparently did not. Up until 2008, if you looked at the electoral map, the south voted republican. The reason for this is that republicans became adept at playing on fears of southern whites, pioneered by Nixon in his "the southern strategy" (I'm not making this shit up, it's right there in the first sentence of the wiki). I say up until 2008, because this year majorities in Virginia and North Carolina voted democratic.

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    4. Re:Are you sure about that? by jpbelang · · Score: 2, Informative

      You stopped quoting when if gets interesting.

      By party and region

      Note : "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

      The original House version:

              * Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7%-93%)
              * Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%)

              * Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%)
              * Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%-15%)

      The Senate version:

              * Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5%-95%) (only Senator Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
              * Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0%-100%) (this was Senator John Tower of Texas)
              * Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%-2%) (only Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia opposed the measure)
              * Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%-16%) (Senators Bourke Hickenlooper of Iowa, Barry Goldwater of Arizona, Edwin L. Mechem of New Mexico, Milward L. Simpson of Wyoming, and Norris H. Cotton of New Hampshire opposed the measure)

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  22. Re:To Be, or not To Be... by BountyX · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Republicans arn't the same party platform as people who remember what republicanism really means. It has changed gears. Libertarian is a better description for "classic" republican idealogy.

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  23. Poor Sarah by David+Gerard · · Score: 2, Informative

    She'll just have to comfort herself with her book deal.

    "Look at the elegance of the hand-tooled leather binding," said the Conservative Book Club, "the archival quality acid-free paper! Every copy will also come with a set of 100% all-American-made red, white and blue crayons to color it in."

    Despite Palin's failure to secure the groups that McCain strategists hoped she might deliver - women, independent voters, suburbanites, those with ten fingers - her supporters insisted that she should not be blamed for McCain's shortcomings or Bush's failures. "It were all the fault o' them Muslin terr'ists," said political commentator Joe the Plumber.

    Current projections show Palin taking 95% of 25% of the electorate. "I was against the bank bailout from the first," said Palin. "Lookit the rekerd. It was this governor, not that one! You betcha!"

    *shudder*

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  24. Re:Who's The Fool by WindBourne · · Score: 3, Interesting

    He could not pardon ANYBODY on his staff. The reason is that if they are pardoned, then they CAN be forced to testify. That is why Libbey was not pardoned. He is still guilty. Just his sentence will not be carried out. That is also why Dems are waiting. All I can say, is that Obama NEEDS to allow all the investigations. Nixon, reagan, Clinton, and W have shown that ppl with out a moral characters will be corrupted. And it is possible that Poppa Bush was in the same vein, just not caught. Probably the ONLY honest pres was Carter.

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  25. Re:To Be, or not To Be... by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Reminds me of my dear departed bolshie Uncle Ivan. Ivan wasn't really a communist, although he was a socialist by inclination. The reason could never be a communist was that more than anything else, he was a cynic.

    "Kid," Ivan used to say, "nobody believes in socialism. Nobody believes in capitalism either. It's socialism for me, capitalism for you."

    Wherever he is, he's been reading the newspapers the last couple of months and laughing his ass off.

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  26. Re:Who's The Fool by GaryOlson · · Score: 2, Funny

    The correct acronym is POTUS. Although PUSA Palin has an interesting suggestion of a hot porn queen.

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  27. Re:Who's The Fool by DrgnDancer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, there's getting facts wrong and there's being horrifyingly ignorant about basic concepts. The woman could not articulate an opinion on the Bush Doctrine. It's been the cornerstone of US foreign policy for last 6 years (right or wrong) and she couldn't talk about it. Worse, it's a really conceptually simple idea (get them before they get us, essentially), articulated by the current president, who happens to be a member of her own party. That's like not being able to tie her own political shoes. To claim that being able to see Russia gives her foreign policy experience when she can't speak intelligently about the most basic concept of the currently foreign policy is not a mistake, it's like claiming a PhD (or at least a bachelors degree) in physics but being unclear on what gravity is. Biden may have gotten a few equations wrong, Palin didn't comprehend the foundational theory.

    To be fair she got better as the campaign went on; but it still felt like she was mastering the presented material, not actually understanding the theoretical underpinnings that made it all work. I'm not saying she's stupid, I don't have enough information to base such a statement on; but she was clearly very unprepared for the role. The types of mistakes she made were just much more fundamental than the mistakes Biden made.

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  28. Re:Who's The Fool by StormyWeather · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Carter was also the worst of all of them. People bitch and moan right now about the economy, but I don't hear anything called the "misery index" on the nightly news like during Carter.

  29. Re:Funny how recounts work by DragonWriter · · Score: 3, Informative

    Notice how the WA governor race before, the Franken/Coleman race, and now this race, with each recount the vote gets closer and closer, until the Democrats decide there's no more need for recounts (when THEIR side wins).

    The only of those races in which a recount was completed is the WA governor's race. The progressive tightening of this race and the Franken/Coleman race in which a recount was triggered (but has not been done yet) was the completion of the first count. Election night returns -- even that include 100% of precincts -- do not usually include 100% of the vote from each of those precincts. Various ballots (provisional ballots, absentee ballots that arrive on the day of the election, possibly early/absentee ballots in general depending on local procedures) require additional verification that prevents them from being counted until after the in-person ballots cast on election day. For a number of reasons, its not uncommon for these ballots to be more favorable to Democrats in general, and those trends may have been reinforced in this election where there were lots of new Democratic voters and a big effort by the Obama campaign to get people to vote early, so the initial election night count (which isn't a full count of all ballots cast in the election) of many races was less favorable to Democrats than the full count.

  30. Re:Anti-White Racism in the Afro Community by default+luser · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have to agree entirely. Hilary lost because she insisted on being in the spotlight for years leading up the the campaign; this is the main reason her supporters and haters were so divided. The problem with this was, all the usual campaign hand-waiving and distractions can't change the mind of voters who made up their minds years before.

    She lost my vote early on when she revealed her true colors as a censorship machine. First she tried to to censor video games for violence at the federal level (thankfully, it failed to garner support). Then she promised if elected that she would protect us from computer-generated porn and violence.

    Sure, this got her the over-protective mom vote, but the rest of the rational people in this country realized how stupid this all was. A person with this kind of "censor everything" agenda would only grab for more if you gave an inch. It was more than enough for me to vote against her.

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  31. Re:Who's The Fool by DavidTC · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think the first thing Obama should do in office is pardon Libby. And the first thing Congress should do in office is haul Libby in front of them to testify.

    Meanwhile, Obama should be standing there with plea bargains for everyone else.

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  32. Re:Anti-White Racism in the Afro Community by Uberbah · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have to agree entirely. Hilary lost because she insisted on being in the spotlight for years leading up the the campaign; this is the main reason her supporters and haters were so divided.

    No. The #1 reason she lost was her support of the Iraq war and refusal to apologize for it. If she had opposed the war from the beginning like Obama, she would have had the blowout victory on Super Tuesday that she was expecting.

    But she still could have had this in the bag if she and her team weren't so damned arrogant. They completely ignored the caucus states, which was how Obama sealed the deal with his 11 state shutout in February. They went all in on a one-two punch with Iowa and New Hampshire and thought Super Tuesday would seal the deal.

    She lost my vote early on when she revealed her true colors as a censorship machine.

    Flag burning. Don't forget the flag burning. But she's not so much a censorship machine as a pandering machine.

  33. Re:Anti-White Racism in the Afro Community by rrhal · · Score: 2
    Hillary lost because she completely underestmated Obama. She thought her connections with the Democratic Machine in the primaries would be unbeatable. Obama's ability to form a grass roots organization that delivered his supporters in huge numbers to caucuses and registered new voters in primaries was unprecidented. The only thing like it was McGovern's 1972 campaign - and in that one the Machine was split. Make no mistake Hillary Clinton would beat John McCain by about the same margin

    $crying_on_election night =~ s/black people/white lesbians/gi;

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