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BT Silences Customers Over Phorm

An anonymous reader writes "The Register reports that BT, the UK's dominant telecom and internet service provider, has 'banned all future discussion of Phorm and its "WebWise" targeted advertising product on its customer forums, and deleted all past threads about the controversy dating back to February.' Phorm is a controversial opt-out system for delivering targeted advertising that intercepts traffic passing through an ISP in order to profile subscribers via an assigned unique ID based on their online activities. Subscribers can opt-out at the Webwise website but are opted-in again if the Phorm cookie is cleared. Firefox users can install Melvin Sage's Firephorm add-on to manage their interaction with Phorm and Webwise."

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  1. Heuristic: by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you have to suppress speech about what you are doing, you shouldn't be doing it.

    1. Re:Heuristic: by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      [Adam Liversage, BT's chief press officer] said the fact that BT had chosen not only to close the threads but delete them entirely was insignificant. "It doesn't matter either way because the people who are following this will have the threads backed up in multiple copies," he said.

      Wow, that's something only a PR man could say with a straight face.

      Seems they don't want to admit the difference between stopping speech and suppressing it.

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    2. Re:Heuristic: by SmokeyTheBalrog · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The US has a "supreme law of the land" yet that hasn't stopped the government from blatantly ignoring it whenever it's convenient.

      And I'm not talking about just the last eight years.

  2. As a BT customer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm concerned about how they're hiding the history of ***** use. Deleting post on ***** is quite extreme, and who knows what they'll do next? Start censoring the use of ***** on their network?

    1. Re:As a BT customer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      They're banning all history of hunter2?

  3. What about wget ? by mmu_man · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Firefox can keep a cookie, but what about all those apps doing http requests (wget, media players, apt-get...) without maintaining cookies ??? Those can't opt-out, so basically they are forcing that on you.
    That's just plain discusting anyways.

  4. You don't need BT at all by AnalPerfume · · Score: 5, Informative

    For years I assumed I needed to pay BT for the line rental so I could get broadband through the telephone line, as I assumed only they could provide it. I got my calls and broadband from companies who give a shit about their customers. Then I found out that there are several companies who can do line rental / call / broadband deals (all of those I checked out were cheaper than BT, and not all signed up for Phorm). When I found this out I was completely away from BT within one month. If you're in the UK, and value privacy and a company who actually wants to please you, I suggest you do some Googling and be prepared to switch. They escaped criminal punishment, government punishment, the only reason they keep doing it is that they assume most people believe they are stuck with BT. If you do switch, make sure you tell them why; who knows, if they see enough rats abandoning ship it may make them rethink the Phorm deal. ispreview.com & adslguide.org should give you a starting point.

  5. Re:Not a tech support issue? by AnalPerfume · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The smart person would see the lack of criticism as a pretty obvious sign that the site is being stage managed to hide the negative. Any time I compare products / services I look for the good and the bad reviews; the lack of any bad reviews means I stay away from it for just this reason. The lack of a thing can tell just as much as the presence of a thing.

  6. Is this really how it works? by KingSkippus · · Score: 5, Informative

    How dare BT remove my revenue-source and jeopardize my ability to continue providing a Free website to my customers?

    It is my understanding that BT won't be removing your ads. Instead, "WebWise" will be a competing advertising provider to the likes of Google, Microsoft, etc. You can elect to put Phorm ads on your site instead, and in theory, those ads will be behaviorally targeted at the people browsing your site. (Or at least, the people who haven't opted out.) If you don't use Phorm, whatever provider's ads you sign up for will be shown.

    The shitstorm, as I understand it, isn't that website owners' ads won't be displayed. It's that people using this WebWise thing while browsing your site will be reporting what they're doing to a third party, and since it's opt-in, many (most?) probably won't even know that they're doing it.

    Worse, because WebWise now knows that Joe Schmo is interested in whatever it is your web site is advertising, say, cars, then it will start displaying car ads from your competitors on sites that have contracts with Phorm because Joe browsed your site.

    All in all, pretty scummy, but I'd genuinely be surprised if it actually removes ads from sites that have nothing to do with it. Especially since they're talking about making it opt-in, I can't imagine that wouldn't be unquestionably illegal.

  7. Re:Copyright Infringement? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There is absolutely no way in which this isn't copyright infringement. Any web page is copyrighted. This comment is copyrighted and owned by me. The Slashdot terms of use say that they get a nonexclusive distribution right to them. No one else has the right to reproduce them or modify them. The complete page is also copyrighted and owned jointly by all of the posters and by Slashdot.

    A carrier has an implicit license to distribute exact copies to their customers and, if the correct headers are set, to cache a copy. Inserting adverts, however, is creating and distributing a derived work from the copyrighted material. Since they profit from the adverts, it counts as commercial infringement, which typically has much larger financial penalties.

    The maximum fine for online copyright infringement in the UK is now £5,000 per offence. Every single page that is modified counts as an instance of infringement. The total fines would come to more than the market capitalisation of BT at the moment.

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