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BluWiki Seeks iPodHash Author, Hopes for Help From EFF

Sam Odio, who runs the BluWiki mentioned the other day as host of the iPodHash project, has posted a followup on the legal tussle in which Apple has engaged the iPodHash project for attempting to reverse-engineer the hash used to encrypt the iTunesDB in recent iPods. He writes in that post: "I've received a flood of emails from interested individuals who want to help. Most importantly, I was contacted by Fred von Lohmann from the EFF. They're currently evaluating whether they will represent us against any potential Apple litigation. This would be great, because it will enable BluWiki to continue to host the project while working with EFF to address Apple's concerns. However, before the EFF commits to representing us against Apple, they want to speak to the author of the [iPodHash] project. I'm posting this public plea hoping that the author, or someone who knows the author, might read it." Update: 11/23 04:25 GMT by T : Due to a shortage of brain cells, I flipped the actors here as this post was originally rendered: To be clear, Sam Odio of BluWiki is seeking the person behind the iPodHash project, not the other way around. Mea culpa.

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  1. Re:Why? by Walpurgiss · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They encode the db, and rename all the files and sort them into unrecognizable folders and such to obfuscate the files.

    You can enable disk mode on the ipod, and just drag and drop stuff onto it, but you can't put music on it that way for the iPod to play. They do this so you can't 'easily' (for a casual iPod user) just load up your ipod, take it to someone else's computer, and give them a copy of all your music.

    Of course, this hasn't stopped anyone who really wants to do that, since free software exists to copy playlists, and tracks off of the ipod onto your pc without using iTunes exist. But it stops 'regular' iPod users from just sharing all their music everywhere.

    Stopping that, is the reason that they tie your iPod to an itunes account, and why they obfuscate the music you put on the ipod with iTunes.

    Other than that though, it conforms to the mass storage device.

  2. WHOIS info for bluwiki.org by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Registrant Name:Sam Odio
    Registrant Organization:OdioWorks, LLC
    Registrant Street1:14525 SW Millikan
    Registrant Street2:#39248
    Registrant Street3:
    Registrant City:Beaverton
    Registrant State/Province:OR
    Registrant Postal Code:97005
    Registrant Country:US
    Registrant Phone:+1.7037772727

    If you want something done...

  3. Summary is wrong. by lothos · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sam Odio runs BluWiki and he is seeking the author of ipodHash.

    Plea to the author of IpodHash:
    Please contact Fred at the EFF. Fred is looking to protect your right to free speech online. But he can't do so if we don't work with him. Because Fred has expressed interest in representing both you and BluWiki, all communication is confidential and protected under the attorney-client privilege. Communication with Fred can not be released in court.

    If you do not contact Fred, and the EFF does not represent us, we will be forced to comply with all of Apple's demands. If Apple chooses to litigate against us, we will probably exhaust all funds in our defense. Out of money, BluWiki could ultimately be forced offline. This would be one more small step backwards in the fight for the right to free speech.

    Fred's phone number is +1 415 436 9333 x123 and his email is fred@eff.org. You can find his PGP key here.

    I sincerely hope that you contact the EFF so that we can restore this project and work with Apple in a way that does not violate BluWiki's founding principle: giving everyone the tools to express themselves online without censorship.

    posted by Sam Odio at 2:06 PM

    1. Re:Summary is wrong. by timothy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You're right, and my apologies -- I've corrected / updated the story, which will take a few minutes to update in the database. In a moment of fuzziness, I expanded on what I think is a typo in Odio's post ("However, before the EFF commits to representing us against Apple, they want to speak to the author of the BluWiki project. I'm posting this public plea hoping that the author, or someone who knows the author, might read it.") and reversed the players based on that.

      timothy

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    2. Re:Summary is wrong. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Funny

      A Slashdot editor who actually reads Slashdot? How did you get in here?

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  4. Nice try... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Due to a typo in the article and the /. headline, you have located the guy who wrote the article. Great job, sherlock. Now find the author of IpodHash.

  5. Remember your crypto by CaseyB · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sam Odio of BluWiki is seeking the person behind the iPodHash project

    It is a property of every good hash implementation that it's difficult or impossible to determine the source that generated the hash.

  6. Re:I hope they win by lysergic.acid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    that sounds pretty cool actually (and doesn't look half bad either). though i'm still waiting for public wireless internet access to gain more widespread adoption so we can start seeing true wireless internet radios. i was sorta hoping Last.fm would come out with a portable media player. they're more indie friendly, and their recommendation system and just the overall site interface are both really well designed.

    in any case, Apple is really demonstrating how screwed up our legal system is, and particularly the abuse of the DMCA by corporate juggernauts like themselves. guilt and innocence don't even matter in such lopsided match ups. this kind of corporate bullying not only shows the ugly side of the legal system, but also the ugly side of Apple.

    if such actions are tolerated by consumers, then we'll continue to see consumer rights being eroded to the point that we'll need the express permission of Apple/Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo/et al. just to turn on the devices we've purchased. if breaking the DMCA is the only way to create software that's interoperable with the iPod, then Apple can take their DMCA notice and shove it.

    Apple has a near monopoly on PMPs, and they're now abusing their market dominance to gain an unfair monopoly on the desktop music player/media manager market as well. DMCA or no DMCA, you can't use one monopoly to muscle out your competitors in another market. this is clearly anti-competitive behavior. Apple doesn't need to publish the specifications to their proprietary hardware/software, but they shouldn't be allowed to suppress other people's attempts to reverse-engineer those specs.

  7. Re:I hope they win by corsec67 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    though i'm still waiting for public wireless internet access to gain more widespread adoption so we can start seeing true wireless internet radios.

    You mean like this, although the reviews seem to be poor.

    There are internet clock radios, and this one even has Slacker.

    As for the rest of your comment: yeah. The DMCA is a bad law.

    Ideally if DRM was protected by law, the consumers should be protected as well. Free replacement discs since backups aren't allowed. Guaranteed money back if the activation servers go offline, or a DRM free version. A DRM free version of the media in escrow for when(if?) the media goes into public domain. If the media is tied to a piece of hardware, free replacement if that hardware is broken or no longer functional. Free upgrades in media, like DVD to Blu-Ray, since you can't copy stuff.

    And so on.

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