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Google Turns On User-Tweakable Search Wiki

Barence writes "Google has launched a new service that allows users to tailor to their own search results. Called SearchWiki, the service allows Google account holders to move results up or off the rankings, or even add their own choice of site to the top of the search results. Google claims that any changes a user makes will only affect their results, and not those of fellow surfers, although it's difficult to believe that some of the feedback generated from the SearchWiki won't be used to fine tune the Google search algorithm. Is this a cunning way to encourage people to sign in while they search, thus providing Google with a richer set of data that can be mapped to specific user accounts?"

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  1. Google bombing by xx_chris · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If they didn't limit this to the single user, then Google bombing would be even more effective. I suppose they can still use negative votes for spam research.

    1. Re:Google bombing by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That would allow a different kind of Google bombing. Remember the anti-DRM campaign which gave Spore all those low ratings? Seems likely that they could just kill EA from search results...

      But even if it's just limited to a single user, it would be helpful to not have to put -site:expertsexchange.com in every search.

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    2. Re:Google bombing by Svippy · · Score: 5, Funny

      But even if it's just limited to a single user, it would be helpful to not have to put -site:expertsexchange.com in every search.

      Tell me about it, I went to their site, and there was no sex change at all! Lousy service. And they call themselves "expert"?

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  2. So what? by Threni · · Score: 5, Funny

    > Is this a cunning way to encourage people to sign in while they search, thus providing Google
    > with a richer set of data that can be mapped to specific user accounts?"

    Sounds like one of those people who surf with cookies disabled.

    1. Re:So what? by u38cg · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Try blanking all your cookies, then spend a few weeks surfing with them set to prompt. It is genuinely scary how many organisations are tracking your behaviour.

      I don't get the point of this service. When I use Google, I don't hang around to admire my search results, I'm just glad I managed to craft a query that landed what I wanted on the first page. I am certainly not going to sit around to review my search results on their behalf.

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    2. Re:So what? by adamofgreyskull · · Score: 5, Informative

      I would happily spend *all* my time downgrading each and every result pointing to experts(-)exchange.com

    3. Re:So what? by sveard · · Score: 5, Informative

      http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/1898 removes experts-exchange.com results from Google searches :)

    4. Re:So what? by Naughty+Bob · · Score: 4, Insightful

      User Agent Switcher, Google Bot.

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    5. Re:So what? by Cow+Jones · · Score: 4, Informative

      You can still see all the answers if you scroll all the way down to the bottom. I suspect they did this in order to avoid being blacklisted by Google. Why anyone would pay for that "service" is beyond me.

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    6. Re:So what? by AtomicJake · · Score: 4, Informative

      Don't spend your time, if you can have it automated in your Firefox (and you can stay anonymous towards Google).  Here is the how-to:

      1) Bookmark google (www.google.com)
      [Optional: Bookmark search.yahoo.com, www.live.com, etc.]
      2) In Firefox, right-click on the bookmark and choose properties.
      3) Enter "g" as keyword for Google ("y" for Yahoo, etc.)
      4) In the location field enter: http://www.google.com/search?q=%s -site:experts-exchange.com

      Done.  Now you can easily search by typing in the address bar:
      g <keywords>

      The %s in the location will be substituted by the keywords, and you get your Google research without expert-exchange.com entries.

      [Nice side effect: since it is now as easy to type in "g" for Google, "y" for Yahoo and "m" for Microsoft, switching search engines is so easy that you actually do it from time to time.]

  3. annoying "feature" by a302b · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This seems to just be a way to refine search results and collect more specified data. This is great for Google's aims of collecting all the data in the universe, but an annoying "feature" for me.

    I really dislike the "refined" searches, especially as Google's memory lasts for a long time. If I am doing a project on something, or am really interested in a topic (lets say travelling to Timbuktu), I will search it to death. However, a week later, when I am trying to search for something else (say used cars), I have to slog through a bunch of pages about car sales in Timbuktu!

    Sigh.

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  4. Wikia by saibot834 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They adopted (or will be adopting) a core principle of Wikia Search, and that is user generated content (and ranking search results is some kind of content). On Wikia, everyone can change search results, insert new links and delete them.
    However, user generated content needs a community (in this case mainly to prevent or revert spamming) - and google had many unsuccessful community projects in the past... I wonder if they are foolish enough to try it again.
    When it comes to community projects many people object to the idea of working for free towards another one's gain. That's why nonprofits like the Free Software Foundation (GNU project) and the Wikimedia Foundation (Wikipedia) are so successful at building high quality producing communities. I don't think that google has a chance here.

  5. Re:Insane amounts of data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    which presumably will delete all your data.

    Ahhhhhhahahahhahahaaaaa!

  6. Re:What is the point? by Yetihehe · · Score: 4, Funny

    Make edit 3 or you're lying!

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  7. I know Google's coverage is excellent... by 6Yankee · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...but who tagged this "itsatarp"?

  8. Re:What is the point? by Viceroy+Potatohead · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I guess for 95% of all common searchterms, there is an informative Wiki-article

    My initial thought to that was:

    "Maybe common for everyone else, but I must make a lot more uncommon searches. I mean, Wikipedia doesn't have a 'disney ass sluts' category, while Google returned 119 results."

    But then I realized it does have an article on Britney Spears, so you may have a point.

  9. Privacy issues aside, there may be real value here by hedronist · · Score: 5, Informative

    Three words: User Relevance Feedback.

    In 1986 I started work on the first commercial search engine that supported "similarity searching." This was based on the Cosine Coefficient of weighted attribute vectors. As we got deeper and deeper into what made one search successful and another a flop, it became obvious that there were two prime enemies of successful searching.

    1. Very short queries.
    2. Words with multiple, unrelated meanings. E.g., "bank" has more than a dozen meanings as both a noun and a verb.

    For example, a query of "man versus machine" (actually run by Esther Dyson in our offices), produced an apparently random mix of articles about chess-playing computers, labor strikes over factory automation, and some guy towing a locomotive with his teeth (it's been over 20 years, so I don't remember the exact results). She hesitated for a moment, then said, "Oh! They really are all about people and machines, but how do I narrow it down to what I meant, which was more along the lines of the labor articles?"

    We already had an answer to this by the time she visited us. Our solution (based on the work of Salton and Buckley) was to allow the user to say, "Results 1 and 3 are irrelevant, but result 2 is highly relevant." We would then take the attribute vectors for the articles and raise or lower the importance of those terms in the new query vector. After the first round of relevance feedback, the results often got downright spooky. Why? Because a) we now had a lot more terms to work with, and b) the additional terms helped to disambiguate terms like "bank." E.g., mention of levee construction probably meant this was a "river bank" and not a financial institution.

    What does this have to do with what Google is doing? By reordering your results you are, in effect, giving user relevance feedback. I don't know what they are going to do with this information, but just getting your hands on it is a very important first step. And having you bring things to the top is doubly important, because positive relevance feedback is several times more important than negative. E.g. Tell me to drive towards San Francisco, rather than just saying I should leave Chicago.

    On the downside, as mentioned by several previous posters, this opens the door to deep understanding of the user and what s/he is interest in. (Of course, they already get some of this when you click on items in a result list. They have a little JavaScript goody that records each and every click. Fortunately, there are GreaseMonkey scripts to disable this "feature.") One of my (few) customers back in the 80's and 90's said, "If you know only the questions I ask, you know too much." The customer? The NSA.

  10. Such a bad thing? by strawberryutopia · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Is this a cunning way to encourage people to sign in while they search, thus providing Google with a richer set of data that can be mapped to specific user accounts?"

    Of course it is. But as a Google fangirl with no sense of privacy, I have to say, is this really a bad thing? Greater knowledge about their users will lead to more accurately targeted adverts. Is it such a bad thing that Google are increasing their potential earnings?

    Google get more money, advertisers get more potential customers, and publishers get more money from adverts, and the customers get pointed to more sites they're likely to be interested in. Who loses?

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