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Rewriting a Software Product After Quitting a Job?

hi_caramba_2008 writes "We are a bunch of good friends at a large software company. The product we work on is under-budgeted and over-hyped by the sales drones. The code quality sucks, and management keeps pulling in different direction. Discussing this among ourselves, we talked about leaving the company and rebuilding the code from scratch over a few months. We are not taking any code with us. We are not taking customer lists (we probably will aim at different customers anyway). The code architecture will also be different — hosted vs. stand-alone, different modules and APIs. But at the feature level, we will imitate this product. Can we be sued for IP infringement, theft, or whatever? Are workers allowed to imitate the product they were working on? We know we have to deal with the non-compete clause in our employment contracts, but in our state this clause has been very difficult to enforce. We are more concerned with other IP legal aspects."

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  1. A friend of mine did this about 10 years ago by Chrisq · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A friend of mine did this about 10 years ago. The original company accused them of theft of sourcecode (which they hadn't done) and made criminal charges as well as suing them. Fortunately one of the new company's founders was a Lay Magistrate. He got the court fatstracked to court and swore under oath that they did not have any source code, which was enough for another judge to throw the case out!

    They also brought a civil case for stealing intellectual property, but most of what they included was standard (It was Travel Agent's software), so they put together a brochure of various other solutions and shown that there was nothing that their "old" company had uniquely developed.

    The old company then made a big mistake. They wrote to all their clients telling them not to deal with the company my friend and colleagues had set up because their software was "no good" and "ripped off", and that they would not support anyone who even looked at the software. They had 50 enquiries that week, and went from having three large customers (which covered costs and paid a quarter of a years salaries) to 20 in six months (which meant that they were pretty well off)!

  2. How to survie in a sue rich environment... by halo_2_rocks · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have "re-written" a few programs in my time. Here is what you need to do: 1) Plan on being sued. You can't avoid it (the big guys use it to keep you from competing). 2) Work around the system. To sue someone, you actually need someone to serve papers to. This the first thing to attack. Form two S-Corps. One where you transfer all the money (off shore account is a must) and one with all the debts and oh yeah - your public face/address/etc to the world. 3) Use a post office drop box. To be served papers, they have to hand you the documents. Kind of hard to hand them to you if they can't meet you. 4) Having been "served" (which can take them months - talk about some pissed off lawyers). It is time for the next step. Offer them a couple hundred bucks to buzz off (if they have sued you before, they'll take the money - if not, time for a lesson). 5) Don't send anyone to represent the S-Corp in court. Ignore them. 5) They win a default judgement. Yawn. Ignore them. 6) The lawyers involve the county sherrif. He'll serve you notice they are seizing the property (bank accounts, property, etc) held by your debt laden, assetless S-corp (depending on where it is served you have a number of days to vacate etc). Yawn. Great. Give it to them because it is worthless. 7) Form a new S-corp, give load it with debts and your new public face and off you go again. Rinse and repeat as often as necessary. Oh yeah, one more thing - don't forget to pay your S-Corp taxes. IRS can come after your personally for back taxes. But, civil lawsuits can't.

    1. Re:How to survie in a sue rich environment... by halo_2_rocks · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That is where the off-shore account comes into play (not that I've ever needed that and bankrupted 5 companies as a result of being sued). Hiding assets and finding them can be a game all by itself. I do the same thing with my personal assets. The world is a big place (I recommend a well-known carribean country myself) and most lawyers don't have the resources to be chasing you all over the place to get at the real money. Worst case - cash out your holdings (bear bonds is a good vehicle), bankrupt the holding corporation, and start over (and put the bear bonds in a safe deposit box). On paper, you can be personally bankrupt, and all your corporations can be bankrupt and work on a cash basis for a while till the vultures lose interest. What the lawyers are trying to do is run you out of business. Give them what they want (or seem to). Time is on your side. Lawyers aren't cheap and the opposition will eventualy run out of cash or give up (or when they seem to win, they won't have the time to sit around and watch what you do afterwards). :)