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Bush Demands Amnesty for Spying Telecoms

The Bush administration and the Electronic Frontier Foundation are poised to square off in front of a San Francisco federal judge Tuesday to litigate the constitutionality of legislation immunizing the nation's telecoms from lawsuits accusing them of helping the government spy on Americans without warrants. "'The legislation is an attempt to give the president the authority to terminate claims that the president has violated the people's Fourth Amendment rights,' the EFF's [Cindy] Cohn says. 'You can't do that.'"

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  1. Re:This isn't a criminal case. by HUADPE · · Score: 4, Informative

    No, he can. Famously, Gerald Ford pardoned the (not yet convicted) Richard Nixon.

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  2. Re:Silly gun nut by HUADPE · · Score: 4, Informative

    The winner is FDR, with Japanese internment. Second is John Adams, with the alien and sedition acts. The president with the net record for granting most freedoms goes, strangely enough, to Andrew Johnson, under whom the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments came into effect (no slavery, and equal protection under law).

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  3. 9th Amendment Too by maz2331 · · Score: 4, Informative

    "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

    The 4th specifies the groundwork for it, and the Supreme Court has ruled that it exists.

    Also, the wiretaps can be a violation of the 1st as well, because they could chill protected speech.

    I'd say one good definition of "epic fail" (as they love to say on Digg) is to have an argument beaten, crunched, and steam-rollered by three Bill of Rights amendments.

  4. Re:Silly gun nut by slashqwerty · · Score: 3, Informative

    Suspension of habeas corpus during wartime; isn't that one of the things we've criticized Bush for?

    No. We've criticized Bush for suspension of habeas corpus during peace time. Congress has not declared war since 1941. The constitution specifically states:

    The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion, the public safety may require it.

    During Lincoln's time there was an official, declared war. The nation was routinely being invaded by confederate soldiers. Some may say the entire confederacy was a rebellion.

    Also, the war had a clear enemy and ending point (as opposed to a 'war' on a concept) and the suspension was lifted after the war ended.

  5. Re:SF by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals is the most overturned Federal jurisdiction.

    Please stop listening to the propaganda of televangelists. Seriously. The 9th circuit court is overturned less often than the average if you base it on the number of cases they hear... they just hear a lot more cases than most courts.

  6. Re:The tense is wrong... by Maxmin · · Score: 3, Informative

    Interestingly, the Bush admin is reported to be tracking American journalists' phonecalls, in an effort to catch leakers from his own team.

    Government Begins Tracking Phone Calls of Journalists

    That was back in May '06. Fuck knows if this is technically legal, given all the executive orders and constitutionally dodgey laws this decade...

    But the First Amendment seems to want to apply here.

    "Aging constitutional amendment seeks job. Superpowers include: protecting freedoms of speech, press, assembly and religion, occasionally acting as governmental grievance liaison."

    "Work history: 1791-2001 United States, job title: First Amendment. Fired for insubordination, by leader of Republican party."

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  7. Re:So which box are you on? by NormalVisual · · Score: 4, Informative

    If they were so liberty oriented then they would have been campaigning against Republicans quite some time ago.

    You probably should actually look at the candidates that they endorse. NRA support for Democratic candidates is not a rare thing by any stretch of the imagination, provided the candidate's positions are consistent with the NRA's stance. As a matter of fact, they endorsed the Democratic candidate for the state House in my district.

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  8. Re:The tense is wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    In all fairness, the immunity was injected into a security bill. The president elect and many dems voted to remove that from the bill in a separate vote, but the repubs lined up to keep it in. Apparently our national security is paramount to the republican agenda, unless you're talking about putting the legal spotlight on their rich buddies in the telco. And that's a fair analysis.

  9. Re:SF by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Informative

    More than that, the 9th circuit has a tendency to take on cases that are a lot more interesting than the other courts when it comes to people's rights, etc. Challenges to civil rights violations and other constitutional challenges tend to occur in the 9th circuit because the people who are motivated to file those challenges tend to live within its jurisdiction more often than in any other circuit. Thus, because of how high-profile and constitutionally important their cases are, they tend to be heard much more often by the SCOTUS.

    When viewed as a percentage of cases heard by the SCOTUS, their overturn rate is higher than the average (about 90% compared with about 75%), but at least in 2006 nowhere near as high as some other circuits (100% for the 3rd (NJ, DE, PA) and 5th circuits (LA, MS, TX)). Source: volokh.com. The 5th, BTW, is probably the most conservative circuit court in the U.S.

    So there.

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