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Spore the Most Pirated Game of 2008

TorrentFreak has posted some statistics on the most pirated games of the past year. Leading the list by a large margin is Spore, made infamous even before its release for the draconian DRM attached to the game. It was downloaded through BitTorrent roughly 1.7 million times, with The Sims 2 and Assassin's Creed following at just over a million each. (It's worth noting that Spore came out in September, so that figure is essentially for a mere three months.) GameSetWatch has posted a related piece discussing the countermeasures involved in dealing with piracy. It's the second article in a series about piracy; we discussed the first a couple days ago.

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  1. Because of the DRM by Lord+Lode · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe that is because of the DRM, even if you buy the game, you still have to pirate it to be able to play a clean version (clean meaning without DRM restrictions of course).

    1. Re:Because of the DRM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Thanks for killing the games industry, you filthy thief.

    2. Re:Because of the DRM by FriendlyLurker · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Can go one better: The weight of evidence is in the real world sales: http://torrentfreak.com/alchemist-author-pirates-own-books-080124/
      http://toc.oreilly.com/2008/08/pirates-convince-game-develope.html
      The weight of real-world evidence is in favor of the hypothesis posted above. The only anti-hypothesis you've got is 1 Pirate == 1 lost sale. *cough* Your data prove your hypothesis?*cough**cough*

    3. Re:Because of the DRM by LingNoi · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I had to pirate the game after buying it in Thailand (I live there) because EA support refused to give me the English language (1.3 meg of files)

      Dear *******,

      Sorry for the inconvenience, but Spore Thai retail version support only Thai language as indicate on the package. And there's no English text file include in the build.

      The only way to get English build in Thailand is to buy the game at i27 http://www.i27games.com/?cat=pcg

      Kindly let us know if you need more info.

      Best Regards,
      EA Thailand Support

      ....

      Dear EA Thailand Support,

      You are right, that's very inconvenient and can't believe you are telling me to go buy this game twice for just 3 files that total up to
      1 Megabyte.

      You have left me no choice but to download the game off the internet and get the three files in need to put into the "Locale" folder. I
      find it frustrating that I have to pirate EA games I have bought to be able to play them.

      I hope that in the future you will provide a better service to your customers that are buying your products instead of leaving it up to
      internet pirates to provide support for your games.

      Regards,
      ******

      .....

      Dear *******,

      All AAA EA titles in Thailand are localized to Thai language. All are locked preventing user to change the language. We have this language switching protection to prevent our goods being export to other territories due to the cheaper price on Thai products. As for Spore, retail price in Thailand is only £8.5, while you have to pay for £35 in UK.

      We also aware that people can get the locale file from the internet. But it is against our policy to provide you the locale files from our side.

      We hope you understand and sorry again for the inconvenience.

      Best Regards,
      EA Thailand Support

      and why the fuck should I care if it's more expensive in the UK if I don't live there? In fact why do they mention the UK at all?

      WHY RESPOND! I DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHY YOUR FUCKING ME OVER FOR THREE FILES!!!

  2. The Solution. by iYk6 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The solution is obvious. Add more DRM!!!

    1. Re:The Solution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And that time is, what, four years ago?

    2. Re:The Solution. by theaveng · · Score: 5, Interesting

      For those of us who had Ataris and Commodores, that day happened around twenty-five years ago.

      - Pirated versions load faster.
      - Pirates versions customize the game (skipping levels, unlimited lives).
      - Pirated versions don't pound your 1541 drive's head to pieces and incur a $500 repair to fix it!!!
      - Pirated versions can be backed-up whereas the original can not; the disk dies and you're out $30. The game company won't send you a new one.

      Yep. I've been preferring pirated versions since circa 1985.

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  3. Re:no demos by FugitiveMind · · Score: 5, Informative

    The creature creator used SecuROM (invasive copy protection) and 'phoned home'. I imagine a demo would do the same.

    I, and a lot of other people, would avoid it as a matter of principle.

  4. Re:This is one of those rare cases by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Spore is, if anything, a lesson. I think it should be used as an example in game design classes.

    Spore is also a lesson to MMO makers, it really has a lot of qualities found in MMOs and it also shows why so many MMOs fail despite good outlook and design.

    The first few chapters in Spore is a lot like leveling your character in MMOs. You play and grind, you build your character, you "level" (as in, gain DNA and "evolve"), you make your decisions where to improve your character, what parts to focus on and what you can do without, aiming for the "endgame".

    Then you reach that endgame and realize a few things:
    Your decisions are pointless. No matter what you "evolved" and no matter what your race is like, the game is the same.
    The endgame itself stinks. Too much micromanagement, too little freedom in your decisions.

    The replay value, which could have been stunning considering the ways you could create your race, is near zero. Most of all, you do not want to replay, knowing that what is in for you in the end is the most tedious, boring part of the game.

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  5. Re:no demos by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, when you saw Spore, I think you'll agree that any kind of demo would have hurt the sales, not helped them. What would you have demo'ed? The "eat and grow" treadmill in the beginning that I have seen done better in various flash games? Doubt that would have convinced anyone to actually buy the game.

    But if it tells me something it is to stay away from games that don't dare to offer a free sample of their gameplay. When they're not confident that the 20ish minutes I can usually play such a demo before I hit the "buy the full version to play on" wall will make me want more, the game is usually good for less than those 20 minutes.

    And, bluntly, 50 bucks for 20 minutes ... dunno, how much are hookers these days?

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  6. DRM just. can't. work. Period by DrYak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A company that makes Spore wants to earn a living. And to do that they put on DRM.

    And it just can't work.

    The premise of DRM is to make more difficult for people to casually copy the game.
    That means managing to put restriction for every last game player out there. Everyone has to be subjected to that shit in the hopes that the copying will be limited.

    But then, all it takes is 1 single unique copy. 1 single unique time when the DRM has been circumvented, for that copy to be made available to millions via the internet.

    Who in his right mind could guarantee that, out of the several millions of sold copies (2 million after 3 weeks according to EA as reported on Wikipedia*), the DRM will stand un-defeated, not even 1 single time.
    That requires failure rates lower than 1 in several dozen of millions. That are failure rates that even space exploration - with all its engineering brilliance - can't guarantee. And your expecting shitty manufacturer of crappy DRM systems, which can't even stay stable on a machine without crashing it, to be able to guarantee that ?

    Even without entering in the stupidity of the DRM's cryptographic details, or the complete out-of-reality of the pay-per-copy failed business model, just the sheer numbers involved tell you that DRM just doesn't stand a snowball in hell's chance to be even remotely reach something that could be interpreted as success.

    DRM just can't be the answer to the piracy problem :
    to succeed it must stop absolutely everyone from copying.
    to fail 1 single leak is all it takes.
    That's impossible.

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    *: EA reports 2 million copies sold after 3 weeks.
    TorrentFreaks reports ~2 million download after 3 months of BitTorrent.

    That's an incredibly high... SELLING RATE. Articles on /. have mentioned that 90% piracy is rather the norm in the gaming industries.Whereas, it seems that Spore has sold more copies than it got pirated.

    That's some damn fucking sign of tremendous success. And given this success, given all the money Spore has managed to earn, why does anybody need to give a fuck if some punks have downloaded copies of the intertube ?

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  7. Re:Standard excuses by jd142 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Regarding point 1:

    If I go to a restaurant and the food is bad, I can get a refund. If I walk out of a movie, I can get a refund. If I buy a book, I can return it. And for that matter, when I go to a bookstore I can actually read the book on the shelf and decide if it is crap before I buy it.

    You may get all or a part of your money back depending on the situation or you may get store credit, but the point is that there is a mechanism in place for refunding all or part of the expense on those items if they are crap.

    Software is one of the very few things that is almost impossible to return if the box has been opened. Here a few returns policies:

    http://www.bestbuy.com/olspage.jsp?type=page&contentId=1117177044087&id=cat12098 - "Opened computer software, movies, music and video games can be exchanged for the identical item but cannot be returned for a refund."

    http://www.newegg.com/HelpInfo/FAQDetail.aspx?Module=5 - "Retail Boxed software may only be returned for refund within 30 days of the invoice date if the packaging is unopened and factory sealed. Opened retail boxed software can only be returned for replacement if it is defective or damaged."

    Amazon has probably the best software return policy: "Any CD, DVD, VHS tape, software, video game, cassette tape, or vinyl record that has been opened (taken out of its plastic wrap): 50% of item's price." http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=901926&#amount

  8. Re:Exactly !!! by theaveng · · Score: 5, Interesting

    >>>want to see what a game is worth before buying!

    I just got into a debate on a forum about this very subject. Unfortunately the Moderator is pro-copyright, and I earned myself a one-week banning. :-( My argument was: "I downloaded Galactica 1980 to see if it was worth buying, and it was worthless trash, so I saved myself from wasting ~$50." I was amazed at how many people rushed in to call me scum, part of the entitlement generation who steals instead of pays, and that I should have supported that show by buying the DVD.

    RIAA's propaganda campaign seems to be working. They even have customers claiming I should buy ____ like Galactica 1980!!!

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  9. Re:Standard excuses by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not to mention all those things you can be reasonably sure you can actually use: You can eat the food, you can watch the movie, you can read the book. I for one am seriously fucking sick of paying the crazy money for a new game that I am WAY over the minimum system requirements for and then have the damned game eat it 10 minutes in if it even runs at all and having to wait a year+(if you ever get a patch at all) that fixes their shit code.

    And please don't say "run the demo" because that is BS and we all know it. The demo level is ALWAYS the most well tested and stable piece of code in the game, often having been passed out since before beta stage to try and drum up a buzz. A couple of examples from my own experience: Max Payne and Vampire:Bloodlines. The demos played like a dream and were really fun so I bought the games when first released. That was a BIG mistake. Max Payne had to set in my closet for 9 months thanks to a bug that would crash to desktop halfway through the second level. And Vampire:Bloodlines would have ended up in the trash if the modding community hadn't put out a patch a year and a half later that fixed my bug that was less than 30 minutes in that caused it to freeze the entire PC solid.

    And finally as a PC repairman I can't count how many times I have been called on to fix a "virus infection" that ended up being SecuROM, Starforce, or Safedisc. Frankly the new DRM causes more problems that a freaking Trojan. I have had machines that risked burning up the DVD burner because the DRM would keep throwing it into PIO mode, Had every singe burn in Nero fail because the DRM had screwed the Windows drivers, and more random crashes than I can even count. So before I will even pick up a game in the bargain bin I make damned sure I can get a clean copy from P2P. How sad is it that the risk of an infection from the P2P ISO is less than if you bought it at the store.

    So they can bitch and moan all the want. I will NOT be buying anymore games at release time thanks to the inability to return code that doesn't work, I will NOT buy any game that I can't find a clean version of so I can avoid the DRM infection on my PC, and I will NOT buy any more games from EA for their completely overboard asshat DRM. And this is from someone who ALWAYS bought a new C&C or MoH. So congratulations! You have mistreated yet another customer to the point they wouldn't buy from you if you entire catalog was on sale for $1.

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  10. Re:Exactly !!! by Goldberg's+Pants · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you bought a loaf of bread, got home and discovered it had weevils in the center of it, you'd return it to the store wouldn't you? And the store would exchange it or give you your money back. You were sold something that did not live up to your expectations.

    You buy a game, and even if it doesn't work, you can't return it.

    And yet it seems the industries that produce this effluence, and movies and music, have convinced the world that if you buy a piece of what should be unsellable garbage, you're screwed.

    THIS is why piracy is so rife. It has nothing to do with people being cheap, scum or whatever asinine insult is thrown around. It has far more to do with people being sick to death of being ripped off.