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Battle Over Minimum Pricing Heating Up

The Wall Street Journal is covering developments in the gathering battle between manufacturers and retailers / discounters, especially online ones, over minimum prices. Earlier this year the Supreme Court upheld the right of manufacturers to enforce price floors for their products. Since then, manufacturers have increasingly been employing service companies like NetEnforcers to snitch on discounters who offer goods below "minimum advertised prices" (or MAPs), and to send DMCA takedown notices to the likes of eBay and Craigslist for below-minimum offers. Separately, the Journal reports that a coalition of discounters and retailers is using eBay as a stalking-horse in a campaign to get consumers, and then politicians, fired up enough to pass legislation outlawing MAPs.

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  1. Re:MAP vs Price Fixing by matt4077 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The difference is that price fixing involves multiple (competing) sources agreeing on a minimum price. This minimum pricing scheme just concerns one manufacturer's product. You're free to buy from a competitor. Now, even if these contract terms are voided by law, a manufacturer can still easily charge a minimum price - their own price charged to retailers. Minimum pricing is more about protecting certain retail outlets than about gauging the consumer.

  2. Re:MAP vs Price Fixing by Meest · · Score: 5, Informative

    Exactly. Protecting the Dealers from other dealers is the reason for MAP Pricing.

    I worked in pro audio for 5 years. MAP is very prevailent in that market. I live in North Dakota. Its not like I sell 1000 dollar speakers every day like Musician's Friend does. So if I'm a dealer and the 1000 dollar speaker costs me 800 dollars. plus 70 dollar shipping. I'm making 130 dollars per speaker.

    If there is no MAP. then The online retailer is able to then sell the speaker for say 850 dollars and and then sell more, getting better pricing so that the speaker may only costs them 700 dollars. well now they're able to sell it for less than what the smaller local dealer can and still make a profit. and make up the extra amount in gross sales. Isn't this reminding you of Wal-Mart?

    These companys want to keep their local dealers open. They want to have a place for you to take your unit back to for support. if they don't have MAP there is no reason for that local dealer to even been selling the product if they can't even be competitive with the pricing.

    Make sense?

  3. Re:Price limits by maxume · · Score: 4, Informative

    False. Here is my source:

    http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/88xx/doc8885/EffectiveTaxRates.shtml#1011537

    Do you have a source for your claim?

    I suppose we could quibble over households vs individuals, but note on that page, there is no instance where moving up into a higher income group results in a cut in overall taxes.

    And maybe the wealthy should be paying even higher taxes, I don't know, but the idea that they are paying lower taxes is simply false.

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  4. All these Apple analogies by v1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I find humorous. No one has mentioned Macintosh computers. Apple has a very interesting way to get around this problem. They have a MAP but they don't really need one.

    Reason is, they sell them to you (the retailer) at VERY near their online store's price. When you, as an Apple Authorized Reseller sell a mac, you send proof of your purchase to them, and at the end of the month you get a check from them. Depending on a wide variety of factors, basically "how much you've behaved like Apple WANTS you to behave as their representative", that determines the amount of cash they give you back per machine. They call it "metrics". We call it "kickbacks".

    AARs don't make ANY money on selling a mac. Many of them even LOSE money. But those BDU checks are what make their profit.

    This has several interesting effects. First off, when a customer calls us asking about prices for all the systems, we can just direct them to the online Apple store, because all our prices will be the same as theirs, and will be the same as all our competition's. Second, Apple still holds us to MAP, so we can't sell at a loss to make more with the BDU checks. Third, we don't have to worry about direct competition in our market because no one else can sell below MAP, because everyone that's getting the computers from Apple directly has to sell at that price so they're not available anywhere below MAP to be bought "wholesale" and then retailed elsewhere.

    The only two problems this causes us is #1 we have no way to compete with the deals Apple offers, such as discounts on ipod with computer purchase, or especially the student discount. #2 some of the places like Mac Warehouse get around this by throwing in free stuff like printer or memory upgrade and that's hard for us to compete with.

    This whole thing wouldn't normally work because if Apple makes a price drop when a new model comes out, everyone would be stuck with merchandise they paid more for than they can sell for, so Apple also cuts us checks for any unsold inventory to make up the difference when they drop a price. (they call it "price protection")

    The BDU checks and the price protection both are at Apple's discretion, so it gives them a lot of leverage to tell us what we can and cannot do. So even though we're independently owned/operated, we have to basically do whatever they say, or they'll cancel our AAR status and we lose the BDU checks and price protection and that puts us out of business. Really annoying when Apple does something like prohibit us from selling iPhones, and then turns around and lets places like Best Buy and Wal Mart sell them. Sort of a swift kick in the balls and we have no real recourse but to bend over and take it. For example, if Apple catches us selling an iPhone we'd get delisted instantly. If we were caught so much as displaying a pre-release of any Apple software, such as Snow Leopard or the new Aperture, same thing. So in this respect, the manufacturers can have a lot of control over their retailers - it goes far beyond just MAP.

    I don't know for sure, but it seems like their preventing us from selling iPhones is something that should be illegal? Apple is notorious for taking steps to eliminate competition within their market, specifically from their partners. "competes with an Apple product" is the #1 reason for iPhone apps to be rejected by Apple from being sold on the Apple Store.

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  5. Re:Price limits by Alomex · · Score: 3, Informative

    You are only looking at income tax rates. Rich people derive a big portion of their income from capital gains, which is taxed at a much lower rate. The best known example is Warren Buffet, who is taxed a lower rate than his personal secretary (he uses this to support higher taxes on himself).

  6. they don't seem to be distinguishing by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Informative

    You're correct legally, but NetEnforcers et al seem to be demanding that eBay take down all sales of new products below the minimum price, assuming that these must be prohibited first-sales.