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Cold Sore Virus May Be Alzheimer's Smoking Gun

Science Daily is reporting that the virus behind cold sores has been found to be a major cause of the insoluble protein plaques found in the brains of Alzheimer's disease sufferers. Researchers believe the herpes simplex virus is a significant factor in developing the debilitating disease and could be treated by antiviral agents such as acyclovir, which is already used to treat cold sores and other diseases caused by the herpes virus. Another future possibility is vaccination against the virus to prevent the development of Alzheimer's in the first place. The research was just published in the Journal of Pathology (abstract).

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  1. I may have herpes but at least I don't have herpes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I just lost my train of thought.

  2. Strange... by Der+Huhn+Teufel · · Score: 5, Funny

    Man my mouth hurts but I don't remember why.

    1. Re:Strange... by MarkRose · · Score: 3, Funny

      You coded in brainfuck without a condom and got cerebral herpes, obviously.

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    2. Re:Strange... by ArsonSmith · · Score: 5, Funny

      For those that don't know Sherlock (full name Sherlock Holmes) was an investigative detective from stores by Arthur Conan Doyle found here Sherlock Holmes

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  3. What about heredity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Alzheimers runs in families, which is particularly worrisome for me since I have it on both sides of my family. If it is caused by a virus, then why is it passed down in genes? Are some people more sucseptible to this virus, thus there is a gene for vulnerabilty to this virus, instead of a gene for Alzheimers??

    1. Re:What about heredity? by compro01 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or "virus only does this to people with gene X".

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    2. Re:What about heredity? by BeanThere · · Score: 5, Informative

      From the article: "The team had discovered much earlier that the virus is present in brains of many elderly people and that in those people with a specific genetic factor, there is a high risk of developing Alzheimer's disease."

    3. Re:What about heredity? by Courageous · · Score: 5, Informative

      You're an AC so prolly won't see this response, but Herpes infection is endemic. I believe that 90% of all adults are infected with the virus that causes Herpes. I know this is confusing, because of the confusion with genital herpes, which can be caused by at least two variants of the Herpes virus.

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    4. Re:What about heredity? by spectecjr · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes. There's a gene called APOE-1. If you have a specific form of that gene, you're more susceptible.

      Also, herpes immunity varies from person to person. Babies without any of the immunity typically die shortly after birth. Your immunity varies depending on a specific combination of genes.

      I've been researching this stuff for a while... Inferring results from about 500 different medical papers I've read, Herpes viruses are responsible for:

      Alzheimer's Disease
      Type-II Diabetes
      High Cholesterol, including high HDL and high triglyceride levels
      Heart disease, including atherosclerosis (aka arteriosclerosis)
      Cancer of the gallbladder (cholangiocarcinoma)
      Colon cancer
      Crohn's disease
      Multiple sclerosis
      Rheumatoid arthritis
      Arthritis
      Osteoporosis
      Multiple myeloma
      Glioblastoma multiforme
      Bipolar disorder
      Schizophrenia
      Hodkin's Disease
      Lymphoma
      Breast Cancer
      Kaposi's Sarcoma

      http://www.accidentalscientist.com/2008/01/public-enemy-1-herpes-viruses-as.html

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    5. Re:What about heredity? by similar_name · · Score: 5, Informative

      I believe that 90% of all adults are infected with the virus that causes Herpes.

      Yep, Herpes comes in at least 8 varieties in humans and over 80 in the animal kingdom. So if you've ever had chicken pox...

      "Chickenpox is a highly communicable disease caused by the varicella virus, a member of the herpes virus family"

      New York State Department of Health

    6. Re:What about heredity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's the great thing about statistics, if 90% of adults have it then a 100% of all people will die with it and some prematurely. Unless there's a factor that stands out the numbers can be spun to back most agendas. Unless they find that Alzheimer's is rare to nonextistent in people that don't have the herpes virus then it's hard to confirm anything when 90% of the population has it. Even then given the fact everyone for the most part are exposed to it an immunity to herpes might also protect you from other conditions that cause Alzheimer's. Odds are we'll never know unless some one comes up with an antiviral that will kill herpes.

    7. Re:What about heredity? by Khaed · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes, it is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epstein-Barr

      "The Epstein-Barr Virus (EBV), also called Human herpesvirus 4 (HHV-4), is a virus of the herpes family (which includes Herpes simplex virus), and is one of the most common viruses in humans."

      The herpes family of viruses is certainly one of the most "successful." It's everywhere.

    8. Re:What about heredity? by osu-neko · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Rule of thumb: When someone is trying to explain the "cause" of something, and they have mentioned less than a dozen different things, they're oversimplifying.

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    9. Re:What about heredity? by repapetilto · · Score: 2, Interesting

      From your part 3: Apparently HPV does its magic by interfering with the expression of gene P52, a factor in cell death (apoptosis)... Most likely you meant p53, just sayin.

    10. Re:What about heredity? by lbbros · · Score: 2, Informative

      Alzheimer's Disease is what is being called a "multi-factorial" disease. That means that there isn't a single source of the disease, but rather a combination of them. In this case, the presence of the herpes virus is one of such factors. I've read and researched a bit myself on the subject during the course of my scientific career: there are loads of papers that try to link particular genetic patterns to susceptibility to AD, but aside for APOE (mentioned by another poster) and some familial forms (which are a minorty among AD cases), the findings are often hard to reproduce, or even inconsistent among them. BTW, regarding the herpes virus: you don't quite eradicate it when you get a cold sore and treat it, because in fact it usually lies in a dormant state after the acute phase (IIRC, I haven't touched virology in a long time and I may be totally incorrect) and factors such as stress or other events can "awaken" it again, causing the recurrences in cold sores and other herpes-related infections.

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    11. Re:What about heredity? by TerranFury · · Score: 5, Informative

      I believe that 90% of all adults are infected with the virus that causes Herpes. I know this is confusing, because of the confusion with genital herpes,

      There are two types of herpes simplex virus: HSV-1 and HSV-2. Historically, HSV-1 has been called "oral herpes" and HSV-2 "genital herpes." But in fact, either can infect either location -- or other locations -- and both cause similar symptoms. (In industrialized nations, particularly among college students, most new cases of genital herpes are actually HSV-1. Ah, fellatio!)

      Statistics: 50% of adults are seropositive for HSV-1. 25% of adults are seropositive for HSV-2.

    12. Re:What about heredity? by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You know another great thing about statistics? People who know what they're doing can also use them to make meaningful calculations about the way things work in the real world. 90% vs 10% is an unbalanced sample, sure, but there are more than enough people in that 10% to make it a large enough sample size to calculate a meaningful odds ratio.

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    13. Re:What about heredity? by Anachragnome · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I was just relating this post to my wife when she said "I wonder, if all that is true, if it is possible the vaccinations we all receive for chickenpox might actually be the root cause of all these diseases".

      Then I made another realization. Many of these diseases seem to be more prevalent then they have been in the past, that is to say that a higher percentage of the population are afflicted with these conditions then they used to be. Could the increase in these diseases correspond to the increases in vaccinating the public?

      Holy smokes. Are we inadvertently introducing a weakness to all these other diseases?

    14. Re:What about heredity? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Many of the diseases that are more common now affect relatively old people. If you have a disease that rarely kills anyone under the age of 40, you will have seen a marked increase in it over the last hundred years or so.

      Several forms of cancer are good examples of this. They are a lot more prevalent now than a century ago because few people lived long enough to develop them to a fatal degree. When comparing infection statistics, also compare age ranges. If diseases are more common in the 30-40 age range than they were, then you might want to worry.

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    15. Re:What about heredity? by Jorophose · · Score: 4, Funny

      But House only does it with four!

    16. Re:What about heredity? by iago12345 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Its true currently an average of 50% of adults are seropositive for HSV1, but as an individual statistics state 80% - 85% of people over the age of 60 are infected, so odds are slim you will avoid being inflicted with the HSV1 virus (cold sores)before you die. However with the advances being made in understanding the virus' ability to reactivate and stay hidden, drugs will most likely be developed within the next ten years that destroy the virus' ability to replicate making it almost entirely non-contagious, and within twenty years we'll have a technique/drug that will be capable of killing it where it hides in the trigeminal ganglion located in the brain, which extends to the face/lips. However newer research is indicating that not just HSV1, but a large host of viruses previously thought to be harmless (such as other members of the HSV family Cytomegalovirus & Epstein-Barr virus) eventually cause build up of plaque in the brain causing cognitive decline, particularly combined with the ApoE4 gene variation, which I believe this study linking HSV1 & Alzheimer's is referring to. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/541533 http://genome.wellcome.ac.uk/doc_WTX038956.html

    17. Re:What about heredity? by Rayban · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's not Lupus.

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    18. Re:What about heredity? by Ironica · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wow, that's a really interesting list. Partly because many of those items are *also* linked to autoimmune responses to gluten in the human diet. In particular, diabetes (Types I and II), Schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, Rheumatoid arthritis, and colon cancer have been clinically confirmed to my knowledge; I also know of people with MS and Crohn's who find that going gluten-free improved their condition a great deal.

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    19. Re:What about heredity? by Ironica · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Holy smokes. Are we inadvertently introducing a weakness to all these other diseases?

      That's one of the main considerations of families who opt to selectively vaccinate or not vaccinate at all. While many (but not ALL) of the vaccinations on the CDC schedule have proven effectiveness in combating disease, there is *no* clinical evidence that the existing schedule (starting at two months of age with four shots, which carry a combined punch of 13 different disease strains) has any benefit over a schedule which starts later or goes slower.

      To run with varicella as one example, scientists have already speculated that the recent surge in shingles diagnoses is related to the varicella vaccination. The speculation is that our immune systems get a "refresher course" in supressing the varicella virus each time we come in contact with it... but now that most kids are vaccinated, it's really rare to come in contact with it, so it's easier for the virus to reappear as shingles in adults who had chicken pox as children.

      There's also not much known about what's going to happen throughout adulthood to kids who are vaccinated from it. The vaccine loses effectiveness after 10-12 years in most people, which means that kids become susceptible again at the beginning of the teen years... when the virus switches from "annoying as heck" to "possibly causing permanent damage to fertility."

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    20. Re:What about heredity? by spectecjr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ---I don't follow this logic at all. Even if the rate of cancer-inducing mutations/epigenetic changes is constant the incidence of cancer should rise exponentially in relation to age since more and more of those mutations will have occurred as time passed.

      Mainly that the rate of cell division actually drops significantly as you get older. As my GP says, fetal cells replicate so fast that they're pretty much just happy bouncing baby tumors. So if mutations are the cause of it all, surely those mutations should occur more frequently when cell division is at its highest?

      If it's cell division and the consequent errors which cause it, then surely skin cancer, colon cancer and bone marrow cancer should be the most frequent? (After all, these cells all divide continuously). However, breast cancer and prostate cancer are more common. (Prostate cancer has been shown to have some connection to a mouse-xenotropic retrovirus in some studies; it's amazing what we can find now we have the tech to find viral particles directly in tissue samples using virion assays).

      Similarly, if it's just replication errors which are the issue, then consider how many cells are in the human body. Surely those replication errors should be much more prevalent.

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    21. Re:What about heredity? by spectecjr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      From your part 3: Apparently HPV does its magic by interfering with the expression of gene P52, a factor in cell death (apoptosis)... Most likely you meant p53, just sayin.

      I understand where you're coming from, but p52 is also an apoptosis mediator.

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    22. Re:What about heredity? by spectecjr · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wow, that's a really interesting list. Partly because many of those items are *also* linked to autoimmune responses to gluten in the human diet. In particular, diabetes (Types I and II), Schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, Rheumatoid arthritis, and colon cancer have been clinically confirmed to my knowledge; I also know of people with MS and Crohn's who find that going gluten-free improved their condition a great deal.

      I've got an idea about that... You might want to check and see if there's also any connection to peanut allergies and those conditions, reason being that both wheat germ and peanuts have a high arginine-lysine ratio, which encourages herpes replication.

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    23. Re:What about heredity? by repapetilto · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But cells with "good" DNA can divide all they want without causing cancer, since they will only do so when the proper signal to do so is present. As you age more and more of your cells will have errors in their DNA (for the reason stated above) that cause them to divide irrespective of whatever external or internal signals to divide or kill themselves. These mutations aren't necessarily the result of faulty DNA replication but can be caused by environmental factors damaging the DNA in a way that isn't repaired correctly which, if it happens at the wrong spot(s), results in altered expression of genes involved in regulating cell proliferation or apoptosis, thus allowing that cell to become cancerous. So what I'm saying is that replication errors aren't the only cause of changes to DNA sequence (your viral theory is an example of this...).

      Also the logic behind thinking that more innately proliferative cells are more prone to cancer is also two-fold in that the more times a cell divides the more replications the original DNA will have undergone thus allowing more chances for error (what you seemed to be thinking about) but also DNA packed tightly in heterochromatin is less available to react with whatever chemicals are around to alter it. S-phase DNA is necessarily more exposed to whatever random chemicals are floating around in the nucleus and, throughout the cell cycle, highly-proliferative cells will have those cell division/apoptosis regulating genes more exposed so that they can be easily accessed for transcription and since those genes are normally more active fewer mutations may be unnecessary before you end up with a cell that just grows out of control. Those obviously aren't the only factors though, since, as you say, how often a cell ends up with cancerous progeny isn't necessarily related to how often it normally divides. Maybe it has something to do with accessibility of those tissues to carcinogens or that the ability of the body to detect the faulty cell and/or mount an effective immune response differs by tissue...I don't know, maybe someone has studied it.

      Anyway I guess what I'm saying is it doesn't make sense to conclude that cells that divide more become cancerous more often and therefore we should see the same incidence of cancer regardless of age, which is not what happens. Further I don't see how that conclusion supports a viral theory of cancer over chemically induced cancer (oxidative stress, carcinogens). I don't think theres anyone in the know who claims that the primary cause of cancers is errors during DNA replication. I'm obviously ready to entertain the idea that most tumors are the result of viral infection (or else I wouldn't have read what you had to say) but that point you were making still doesn't seem logical to me.

    24. Re:What about heredity? by spectecjr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      From what I've been seeing, MS is more likely to be varicella zoster related than HSV1 related, however, your continued susceptibility to cold sores (most people stop getting them after a bout in their teens) may indicate a genetic susceptibility to herpres viridae.

      Here's the paper I found on varicella zoster & MS:
      http://archneur.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/61/4/529

      They're very similar viruses, and the treatment is nearly identical, so I wouldn't be surprised if treatment for one would affect the other.

      Looking into Rebif a bit more, it's an interferon. Other studies have shown that supplementation with interferons help considerably (in people with active HSV infections, typically blood interferon levels are low for one or more types of interferon; alpha, beta & gamma). Supplementing with interferons will work; I would try getting your doc to put you on valcyclovir as well and start eating a high lysine, low-arginine diet - or at least supplementing with lysine. See if it helps. Worst case, at least you won't get cold sore outbreaks :)

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    25. Re:What about heredity? by spectecjr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Interestingly, if you get HSV-1 before you get HSV-2, it gives you a degree of immunity to HSV-2. :)

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    26. Re:What about heredity? by Ramze · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Your post is rather smug, yet you fail to explain your reasoning. If the grandparent post is incorrect, why not explain why he or she is wrong rather than acting condescending without supporting your argument that the poster is incorrect? The core of the grandparent's post seems correct. Many diseases do not develop major symptoms or even show up at all until old age -- some because of the time they take to progress far enough for symptoms to be noticed, some because they are simply age-related diseases. It makes sense to me that as peoples' life spans increase, there would be a larger percentage of older people, thus a larger percentage of age-related diseases. The GP did say hundreds of years -- and life expectancy worldwide just a hundred years ago was only 40. Now it is 66.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lifexpec.htm http://www.efmoody.com/estate/lifeexpectancy.html

      That's not to say that I completely agree with the grandparent poster. Medical science has progressed a lot during the past 100 years as well and medical screenings and diagnosis have improved to the point where we may be seeing more cases because we are simply better at screening and diagnosing illnesses where as a hundred years ago, many people may have died from illnesses that went unnoticed and their deaths were decided to be because of old age. Also misdiagnosis was likely common because so many diseases have similar symptoms and without today's medical labs to do testing, it's quite possible many patients were misdiagnosed before modern analysis was prevalent.

    27. Re:What about heredity? by Muad'Dave · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't forget Herpes Simplex 10, which is what Eddie Murphy's character 'Ramon' had in Beverly Hills Cop: [from imdb.com]:

      "Tell Victor that Ramon - -the fella he met about a week ago? - -tell him that Ramon went to the clinic today, and I found out that I have, um, herpes simplex 10, and I think Victor should go check himself out with his physician to make sure everything is fine before things start falling off on the man."

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    28. Re:What about heredity? by T.E.D. · · Score: 2, Informative

      I was just relating this post to my wife when she said "I wonder, if all that is true, if it is possible the vaccinations we all receive for chickenpox might actually be the root cause of all these diseases".

      Errr...no. The chickenpox vaccine has only been licensed in the US since 1995. Almost no Aldsheimers sufferers have had that vaccine. If there were any effct from it, you wouldn't see it in most diseases associated with aging for a few decades yet.

  4. Anti-vaccine crowd? by Gothmolly · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's wait until the anti-vaccine douchebags hear about THIS. Doesn't this vaccine turn your prepubescent daughter into a whore?

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    1. Re:Anti-vaccine crowd? by endothermicnuke · · Score: 2, Informative

      You're mixing up 'yer virii. HSV vice HPV.

      Oh for fuck's sake, it's not virii. It's viruses. Please stop using this non-existent term.

    2. Re:Anti-vaccine crowd? by nog_lorp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, I would say it is the exact same thing, refusing possibly life-saving modern medicine to their children based on unfounded religious beliefs.

      Not to mention, the argument that HPV vaccination will "Lower the perceived risk of engaging in sex" is complete BS. Word wide, throughout history, no teenager in the world has ever thought - "I want to have unprotected sex... but I might get Human PapillomaVirus!" The health related factors that lead to the choice of abstinence are more along the lines of pregnancy, HIV, and genital herpes. The truth is, it is not about prevention it is about punishment. HPV vaccination isn't going to have any affect on decision-making, but it reduces the chance the people will die for screwing around, and religious fundamentalists don't want that.

      Furthermore, even if you believe there is any morality to this argument, it is still baseless due to the fact that sexual contact is not the only way to get a virus, even blood-born ones. If your daughter steps on a used needle in the sand at the beach, and catches HPV, and dies of cervical cancer, what have you achieved? You are responsible for her death. Furthermore, refusal to vaccinate against STDs is tantamount to blaming the victim for rape, as this is a common avenue for infection.

      If it wasn't clear already, I feel strongly that anyone who would advocate against immunizations for 'moral reasons' is morally despicable.

    3. Re:Anti-vaccine crowd? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2, Funny

      Apologii

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    4. Re:Anti-vaccine crowd? by nog_lorp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Out of "over 16 million doses of Gardasil given" ... "at least 20 women who received the Gardasil vaccine have died, there is no evidence that deaths or serious outcomes were connected to the shot.[28] Where information was available, the cause of death was explained by other factors."

      That puts it at a 1 in 800,000 ratio, where most cases were not actually linked to the vaccine.

      At one SMALL beach where I live, lifeguards extract over 150 needles per year from the sand, well over 1 every 3 days. I'm willing to bet more than 1 in 800,000 of those needles are `found by accident`, and most of them were used by people with a chronic disease.

    5. Re:Anti-vaccine crowd? by pcgabe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Word wide, throughout history, no teenager in the world has ever thought - "I want to have (unprotected) sex... but I might get Human PapillomaVirus!"

      Sadly, I had a girl say (almost) those exact words to me recently. I thought she was joking. She wasn't.

      I don't see her anymore.

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  5. timely article by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Funny

    in a few weeks, poor innocent little children will get visits from aunt bertha and grandma marge, and the first thing the strange smelly relatives will do is find the innocent children, exclaim "my how you've grown!" or "aren't you the cutest thing, i could eat you up!" and, approaching the children, who will now be rapt in horror, they will proceed to plant wet sloppy kisses, over the protestations and gyrations of the children sturggling to break free of the bear arm grip

    and, the kids are right to object. they are trying to avoid herpes and alzheimers

    kisses from old relatives is a brain mummifying disease

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    1. Re:timely article by MrMista_B · · Score: 2, Funny

      Not to mention fainty pedophilic. Which kids are good at picking up on.

    2. Re:timely article by TerranFury · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's an issue with this of course. By the time you get older -- say, into your early 20s -- about 50% of the people your own age have oral HSV-1. What do you do, live in fear of contracting the virus? Don't kiss your date good night? Only consider romantic involvement with the 50% of the population that doesn't have HSV-1?

      The problem is that the only way to avoid getting HSV-1 that isn't completely absurd is to just be lucky.

    3. Re:timely article by F'Nok · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What's the issue?
      I know a lot of people (myself included) that actively avoid kissing, sharing glasses, etc with people that have cold sores.

    4. Re:timely article by TerranFury · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's easy to avoid kissing, etc. people who are actively having outbreaks. I avoid that too. But people with HSV are contagious at other times as well. The phrase is "asymptomatic viral shedding" -- and, actually, infected people are shedding more often than they are having outbreaks! So if you rule out people who have HSV-1, and not just those who are currently having an obvious outbreak, then you've ruled out 50% of the population. What do you do, ask a girl "Do you have any history of cold sores?" before you kiss her? It just doesn't seem practical to me.

    5. Re:timely article by kripkenstein · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ah, it's even worse. A person might have no history of symptoms but still be infected, and have asymptomatic shedding. So it makes little sense to inquire about a history, at least as far as asymptomatic shedding is considered (you might inquire for other reasons).

      That said, it still makes sense to avoid sharing food, kissing, etc. people who have active symptoms. The amount of virus particles is much, much higher than asymptomatic shedding in such a case.

      But otherwise, there isn't much you can do.

  6. Sounds like correlation not causation - yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The team discovered that the HSV1 DNA is located very specifically in amyloid plaques: 90% of plaques in Alzheimer's disease sufferers' brains contain HSV1 DNA, and most of the viral DNA is located within amyloid plaques. The team had previously shown that HSV1 infection of nerve-type cells induces deposition of the main component, beta amyloid, of amyloid plaques.

    100% might have been a clincher. If anti-virals help, I might have rto eat my worlds.

    Most people have HSV1. HSV1 DNA locates in the amyloids. So most people expressing the amyloids would have HSV1 DNA in them.

    What's up with the 10% of alzhemier amyloids without the HSV1. It sounds like amyloid metabolism is the problem and HSV1 is along for the ride.

     

  7. I wonder... by dexmachina · · Score: 5, Interesting

    With these findings in mind, it would be interesting if someone were to do a study and see if there's a correlation between Alzheimer's incidence and people who have a tendency to get cold sores. Since only 20-40% (according to TFA) of HSV-1 carriers develop cold sores, I wonder if being susceptible to outbreaks indicates a higher risk of developing Alzheimer's later in life. You'd have to correct for all sorts of environment factors, but still, as someone who gets cold sores something awful that would be a very interesting study. Anyways, great article, it's good news if something comes out of this. HSV in its different varieties is already known to be responsible for quite a few diseases so only good can come out of more research into it.

  8. Can one be tested... by blind+biker · · Score: 4, Funny

    Can one be tested for the herpes simplex virus? I never had an outbreak, but one winter when I was cyclilng in -17C (stupid, yeah, gimme a break, I love cycling) I got a cold sore on the tip of my nose. So now I would like to be able to dismiss the idea I have herpes simplex. But if I have it, I'd like to start a therapy ASAP - I don't want to get Alzheimer's.

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    1. Re:Can one be tested... by maxume · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Any chance it was simply frostbite?

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    2. Re:Can one be tested... by blind+biker · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, yes it was a frostbite! Is that not the same as a cold sore, then?

      See, this happens because English is not my native tongue. Never lived in an English-speaking country, either. While I do have a reasonably good command of it, there are rare instances where English fools me, just like now.

      Note to self: cold sore != frostbite

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    3. Re:Can one be tested... by dexmachina · · Score: 2, Informative

      I can see where you would be confused. Actually, cold sore is a much more logical name for frostbite anyways. But yes, indeed cold sore != frostbite. The former's a viral infection and the latter is just damage to the skin caused by the cold. I think cold sores are so named because cold weather (and by extension, having a cold) can cause an outbreak because of the stress it puts on your system. Personally, I find I'm most susceptible to getting a cold sore if there's been a recent big fluctuation in temperature.

  9. Herpes Simplex... by actionbastard · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Might not be the only culprit here. Chicken pox (V. zoster) and Shingles (H. zoster) are related to HSV1 and HSV2. Many people may have had either -or both- of these infections as children or adults and carry the virus in a dormant state in their body. The research does not address these other -possible very prevalent- vectors in AD.

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    1. Re:Herpes Simplex... by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 3, Informative

      Exactly. There are a wide variety of diseases that are forms of or are related to HSV1/2. Chicken pox and shingles are just two. Additionally, there is viral meningitis, a form of encephalitis, occular herpes, and more.

      Finally, this news isn't that exactly that new. They originally discovered a link between Alzheimer's and HSV-1 in the late 70s. This is just the latest study that confirms this.

  10. Re:I may have herpes but at least I don't have her by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nastiest Alzheimer's joke ever:

    Guy brings his wife to the doctor. Doctor tells him "We screwed up the lab results. She either has AIDS or Alzheimers."

    Guy says "great, what should I do?"

    Doctor says "Drop her off about a mile away from home. If she finds her way home, don't fuck her!"

  11. Re:Oh crap! by larry+bagina · · Score: 2, Funny

    did "uncle" gary ask you to suck his meat popsicle, by any chance?

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  12. Good News for Slashdot by pragma_x · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is excellent news for most slashdotters since the herpes 'cold-sore' virus is typically transmitted by kissing.

    1. Re:Good News for Slashdot by mkiwi · · Score: 3, Funny

      This is excellent news for most slashdotters since the herpes 'cold-sore' virus is typically transmitted by kissing.

      I said something like that to a doctor once at Mayo clinic. Imagine my surprise when he snapped back, "You can get it from kissing a glass."

  13. Daaammmnnn by Larryish · · Score: 2, Funny

    No wonder the hooker never remembers me.

  14. Re:I may have herpes but at least I don't have her by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    What you said reminds me of when I told a friend a stupid joke. He responded by saying, "It sounds like someone just made that up."

  15. Re:Silver Ions in Solution Kill Viruses by Metasquares · · Score: 2, Informative

    HSV and VZV take up residency within the nervous system, where they remain indefinitely. Even if your proposed solution does kill an active HSV infection, it will not root out the latent virus, thus the cold sores will continue to periodically recur.

  16. Re:Not to make pre-marital sex dangerous by jbengt · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Blanket vaccination policies didn't quite work in the effort to eliminate smallpox.
    A change to aggressive targeted vaccintaion policies did the trick.

  17. Re:I may have herpes but at least I don't have her by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 2, Funny

    Not to HER home.

    She's happier now, at least for a few minutes at a time.

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  18. BHT Supresses Herpes by ottotto · · Score: 2, Informative

    Herpes is part of a family of lipid coated viruses. All such viruses are inhibited (but not cured) by consuming BHT. BHT in capsule and bulk for is available from VRP. For more on this visit their site, vrp.com/. It works for me perfectly. More on this can be found here:http://www.advance-health.com/bht.html.

    1. Re:BHT Supresses Herpes by quixote9 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      BHT stands for butylated hydroxytoluene. I'd be worried about the metabolites of anything that has toluene as a component. Think paint thinner. That stuff is not healthy in any significant quantity. BHT has been used as a food preservative since way back, but that too doesn't mean it's good for you. And it implies it's NOT good for you in any appreciable quantity. The reason things work as preservatives is because they're more or less toxic to living things, like bacteria, but in larger quantities also to larger living things.

      Let someone else be the guinea pig on this....

  19. Re:Silver Ions in Solution Kill Viruses by Rayban · · Score: 2, Funny

    If homeopathy works, then my distilled water is more powerful than any of their concoctions!

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  20. Re:Silver Ions in Solution Kill Viruses by Kagura · · Score: 2, Funny

    Are you crazy? You could die or be seriously disabled by imbibing something that potent.

  21. Re:correlation != causality by spectecjr · · Score: 4, Informative

    You should read the other papers by Wozniak and Itzhaki. They include, for example, studies on how the HSV1 virus in-situ in nerve cells affects the expression of tau and beta-amyloid proteins, causing them to generate the exact types of plaques seen in AD patients.

    They've done a pretty damn compelling job. If they didn't have to dot their i's and cross their t's to the nth degree, I'd have called this one and said it's in the bag years ago.

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  22. Re:Cause or a side-effect? by rta · · Score: 3, Interesting

    they think it causes it:

    They propose that a weakened immune system allows the virus into the brain.

    There, it causes flare-ups in the brain at various times when the person is stressed etc. Basically, just like the cold sores on your lips.... but in the brain.

    These cause the cells to create this non-soluble plaque stuff which then gets left behind when the cells themselves die.

    The treatment with anti-virals would presumably prevent, or decrease, the number of "flare-ups" in the brain and therefore reduce the rate at which this Alzheimer's inducing plaque is formed.

    (although i'm not clear on whether the damage is caused by the plaques or if the plaques are just a marker of all the cells that have been destroyed and the disease is actually caused by that destruction.)

    if you've had cold sores and paid attention to how they seem to develop one can see how it would be destructive.

    1) You start out perfectly fine.

    2) For whatever reason this virus starts reproducing in some of your cells (highly localized)

    3) a cluster of blisters forms.

    4) After a few days, the "blisters" stop forming and you're left with a moderately significant wound that takes a while to heal.

    Now imagine this happening in your brain... and remember that nerve cells, unlike skin cells, don't really reproduce much (if at all).

    (Incidentally, i'm one of the people for whom Abreva (an OTC medicine) works very well. If I put it on in time it stops the progression in its tracks. HIGHLY recommended.

    now if i could only figure out how to rub it on my brain.....)

  23. Re:I may have herpes but at least I don't have her by KDR_11k · · Score: 2, Funny

    So we've found Hollywood's target demographic?

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  24. No, wait wait wait... I got one! by Tetsujin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    OK, so there was this guy with Alzheimer's, right? And one time some people came to his room. He was very tired, and so he mostly just lay in his bed. When he thought they might be saying something that needed a response he'd say "sure". Mostly, however, he kept quiet.

    After a bit, someone else came in and asked him to eat some crushed-up pills and drink some juice. When presented with the straw for the juice, instead of drinking, he blew some bubbles through the straw - and everybody there got a good laugh.

    I don't have a problem with people who make jokes about Alzheimer's... Nothing should be beyond the scope of humor. But this is a sample of what Alzheimer's is to me.

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