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McCain Campaign Sells Info-Loaded Blackberry PDAs

An anonymous reader writes "A news station in Washington D.C. has reported that the McCain Campaign has allegedly sold to reporters Blackberry handhelds with campaign-related information such as e-mail messages and phone numbers: 'We traced the Blackberry back to a staffer who worked for "Citizens for McCain" ... The emails contain an insider's look at how grassroots operations work, full of scheduling questions and rallying cries for support ... But most of the numbers were private cell phones for campaign leaders, politicians, lobbyists and journalists. "Somebody made a mistake," one owner told us. "People's numbers and addresses were supposed to be erased."'"

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  1. Nice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I wish my incompetence could land me a job whereby I have full access to politicians and such and I can just hand out their information freely :D

  2. Not a surprise... by Darundal · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...every so often there is a story about some person or organization that sold a device without wiping the data. According to TFA, there was nothing compromising on the device (information showing wrongdoing by members of the campaign, sensitive personal info, etc) so not a major flub. I would consider it a story if something compromising was found on the device, but extra care is usually taken to dispose of that.

    1. Re:Not a surprise... by couchslug · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The cure is to destroy devices, which are trivially cheap, instead of selling them.

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    2. Re:Not a surprise... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      We use a fancy expensive hard disk shredder to obliterate them... What a waste to see a perfectly working Bold being destroyed but it's the only way to ensure the permanent PIN # is not reused. The issue of potentially receiving embarrassing PINPIN texts is resolved.

    3. Re:Not a surprise... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      If your BackBerry belongs to an organization there is usually a remote wipe capability and remote disable feature. The last firm I where I worked would regularly wipe and disable lost BlackBerrys.

    4. Re:Not a surprise... by onefriedrice · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, that's really great for the environment.

      </sarcasm>

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    5. Re:Not a surprise... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The cure is to destroy devices, which are trivially cheap, instead of selling them.

      Or, since this is a blackberry, use the built-in, server-controlled guaranteed wipe function before selling them.

      Or, use your blackberry server to encrypt the device content with AES, and force the user to have a strong password.

      See how easy things are with blackberries? But you do have to click a few options.

      Idiots.

    6. Re:Not a surprise... by KingAlanI · · Score: 2, Insightful

      don;t know what to mod this...funny or flamebait?

      Oh well, I just posted in the discussion. :)

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    7. Re:Not a surprise... by maxume · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh yeah, coal and horse shit are an environmental wonderland just waiting to happen.

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  3. Thanks but no thanks by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 5, Funny

    I said "thanks but no thanks" to those naked pictures of Sarah Palin that I found on my Blackberry.

    1. Re:Thanks but no thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I said "thanks but no thanks" to those naked pictures of Sarah Palin that I found on my Blackberry.

      but don't you want to know Who's nailin' Palin>

    2. Re:Thanks but no thanks by fermion · · Score: 3, Funny

      I would be more interested in Bristol's wedding date. I could sell that to magazine for a million dollars.

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    3. Re:Thanks but no thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      That was the one that was blinking "12:00" over and over

    4. Re:Thanks but no thanks by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Funny

      That boy dodged a huge bullet when the repubs lost.
      If McCain had won, that would have probably been the biggest shotgun wedding in the history of the USA.
      Marry Bristol, or spend the rest of his life in Gitmo... <insert obvious joke about not being sure which is worse>

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  4. Excellent... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now I can learn all the secrets of a highly successful political campaign!

    Oh wait...

    1. Re:Excellent... by ChromeAeonium · · Score: 2, Funny

      Now I can learn all the secrets of a highly successful political campaign!

      That's easy.
       
      1) Tell people how great things are going to be if you're elected.
       
      2) Keep telling people how great things are going to be if you're elected.
       
      3) Tell them how great things are going to be some more.
       
      4) ???
       
      5) Profit!

    2. Re:Excellent... by TubeSteak · · Score: 3, Insightful

      4) ???

      5) Profit!

      Step 4: Get out of office, write a book, go on the lecture circuit and join the Board of Directors for a few companies.

      Being President isn't a big money maker.
      Being a former President is the path to riches.

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  5. Yet another reason... by retech · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes this is another fine example of why septuagenarians should not be allowed anywhere near tech.

    1. Re:Yet another reason... by Lally+Singh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm a huge obama supporter, but let's be fair to the guy. He's so out of the tech loop he's not personally responsible for this stuff. His tech people are responsible. Of course, they were all let go Nov 5, so I'm not surprised these last duties were neglected.

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    2. Re:Yet another reason... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Some slack. But not as much as some people kept wanting to give him.

      When it comes to blackberries, PDAs, etc, yes they'd be pretty hard for him to use. But, there are a lot of disabled people that still manage to use the internet. If he had any tech interest, he would have found a way.

      That he didn't doesn't make him a horrible person, but it does mean he can't really make a good claim at IT-savvy.

    3. Re:Yet another reason... by blind+biker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes this is another fine example of why septuagenarians should not be allowed anywhere near tech.

      First of all, why would someone who is 70+ not be able to handle technology? I will always remember great uncle who was writing geodesic software on the ZX Spectrum, at the time when most people have not even heard about home computers. Oh, and he was 70+ then.

      The second thing that puzzles me is, why would McCain's alleged computer illiteracy be a factor in this incident? So if he is not familiar with computer technology, then his staff will sell blackberries without deleting sensitive information? I think you're making a huge leap in your logic, there.

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    4. Re:Yet another reason... by multisync · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And for all the grief McCain receives about not being IT-savvy, the reason is he is unable to type, due to the injuries he suffered while being tortured by the Vietnamese.

      Oh, really? There are photos here that show him using what appear to be Blackberrys and cel phones (some while behind the wheel!) and he told the New York Times "I am learning to get online myself, and I will have that down fairly soon, getting on myself. I don't expect to be a great communicator, I don't expect to set up my own blog, but I am becoming computer literate to the point where I can get the information that I need - including going to my daughter's blog first, before anything else."

      He sounds sort of like my dad, really. He's a man in his mid 70s doing his best to make sense out of all of this technology that has become so important recently. Blackberrys, Blogs, Twitter etc. either weren't around or weren't all that relevant when he ran for president eight years ago and he's doing best to catch up. He'll still prefer to read a news paper, or talk on the phone with a friend. He'll dutifully visit his daughter's blog.

      His war wounds no doubt cause him pain and discomfort in every thing he does in his day-to-day life, but he manages other things and it doesn't sound to me like they pose enough of a problem to prevent him from doing the best he can. Besides, he really doesn't strike me as the sort of person who would let his injuries prevent him from doing something if he really desired to do it.

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  6. this happens all to often by unix_geek_512 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This happens all the time and most of the time we never hear about it.

    You would not believe how many times government computers containing critical information have been sold without having their drives wiped or have been lost or stolen.

    The private sector is no better.

    The vast majority of organizations do not encrypt their data or their communications. In fact data which is supposed to be encrypted such as credit card information or social security numbers is often mishandled internally ( i.e. emailed half-way around the world unencrypted or stored in the clear ).

    1. Re:this happens all to often by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This happens all the time and most of the time we never hear about it.

      You would not believe how many times government computers containing critical information have been sold without having their drives wiped or have been lost or stolen.

      Which is precisely why no one should trust the government to keep personal information about them private - the kind of personal information that law enforcement and others have been clamoring to collect from the populace at large ever since 9/11 (actually they've been clamoring to collect that kind of stuff forever, the levels were just ratcheted up to unbearable since 9/11).

      After all, if the people in government can't be bothered to adequately protect their own personal information, what hope is there that they will protect any information they have about you?

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  7. Fresh Set of GOP Numbers by soloport · · Score: 4, Funny

    Fresh set of GOP numbers? What to do...

    Joe: Hello?

    New BB Owner: Is your refrigerator running?

    So many possibilities!

    1. Re:Fresh Set of GOP Numbers by Al+Dimond · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ha, more like...

      Me: Is your toilet running?

      Joe: Why, yes!

      Me: Better hire an actual plumber to fix it.

    2. Re:Fresh Set of GOP Numbers by causality · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ha, more like...

      Me: Is your toilet running?

      Joe: Why, yes!

      Me: Better hire an actual plumber to fix it.

      Yes, I know this was a joke. However...

      There are many things you could say about the whole Joe Plumber deal, but there's one subtle message that was not lost on me. If you stick your neck out and actually question the candidates, you will become an overnight celebrity whether you want to or not. Look at the background checks that have been performed against Samuel J. Wurzelbacher and the fact that whether or not he is actually licensed as a plumber (apparently he is not, at least not in Ohio) became a very public issue. Of course none of this has anything to do with his question to Obama about taxes, and so it constitutes an ad-hominem attack. For putting a question to Obama, he was rewarded with reporters trying to dig up dirt on him. Whether they were successful or not has nothing to do with the message, which is "if you're not with the media, then sit down and shut up or we will find skeletons in your closet." That message could not have been more clear.

      I know that he has written a book and therefore could profit from this experience, but whether he has something to show for it does not negate anything I am saying. I realize that much of this was because of McCain trying to use "Joe Plumber" as something of a campaign symbol, which probably made him more of a target, but really, the reason why this is the case or how it got to be that way is trivia. It might be interesting to some of you but it won't address the chilling effect that this may have on others who would otherwise stand up and ask similar questions of other candidates.

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    3. Re:Fresh Set of GOP Numbers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For putting a dishonest, loaded question to Obama
      fixed that for you.
       
      captcha: divert
      sounds about right

    4. Re:Fresh Set of GOP Numbers by drkich · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree with you to a point. I think the moment he started seeking the lime light by going on the talk shows, and showing up at rallies, he invited it upon himself.

    5. Re:Fresh Set of GOP Numbers by Miseph · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It also didn't help that as they dug, they started to find connections to McCain and his campaign, almost as if he'd been planted there just to create an issue where McCain could routinely criticize Obama over what amounted to nothing.

      Sorry, but when you become a campaign slogan and start doing interviews because you asked a presidential candidate a question that doesn't actually make sense (saying that you're looking at buying a business and suddenly having an annual salary WAY above average for people in that line of work, and then trying to argue you'd only be doing moderately well is, to say the least, stretching the bounds of believability), you forfeit your right to be just another anonymous face in the crowd. that's just how it works.

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    6. Re:Fresh Set of GOP Numbers by LurkerXXX · · Score: 5, Insightful
      "but there's one subtle message that was not lost on me. If you stick your neck out and actually question the candidates, you will become an overnight celebrity whether you want to or not."

      You know,

      If Joe actually WAS a plumber, as he said he was, he wouldn't have taken so much heat.

      If Joe actually WAS in a position to take over his boss's business, he wouldn't have taken so much heat.

      If Joe's boss's company actually MADE as much profit as he said id did each year, he wouldn't have taken so much heat.

      All in all, he made up a bunch of stuff to pretend to be in the tiny portion of the population that Obama's plan might not be good for.

      I think the one not so subtle message is: don't lie your ass off trying to 'nail' someone with a question when you have a ton of cameras pointed at you.

    7. Re:Fresh Set of GOP Numbers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "almost as if he'd been planted there..."

      Didn't Senator Obama wander into Joe W.'s yard during a rally?

      And since politicians are so good at stretching the truth, what's the harm in Joe's widening the question? Sen. Obama will be president for four years, after all. I can certainly understand phrasing the question based on what I'd be hoping to earn after a few successful years in business, not limiting it strictly to what I earn right now.

    8. Re:Fresh Set of GOP Numbers by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If Joe...

      Doesn't matter. Simply for engaging the candidate in a discussion, he was investigated by the media. That they found some weirdnesses does not make it OK.

    9. Re:Fresh Set of GOP Numbers by crazyjimmy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Simply for engaging the candidate in a discussion, he was investigated by the media. That they found some weirdnesses does not make it OK.

      I could be wrong, but wasn't it the fact that John McCain brought him up over and over again in the debate, and attempted to use him as a model of the "average American" that caused him to be investigated so heavily? It was less that he asked the candidate a difficult question, and more that McCain's camp was so eager to use him for their own ends. --Jimmy

    10. Re:Fresh Set of GOP Numbers by LurkerXXX · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Doesn't matter. Simply for engaging the candidate in a discussion, he was investigated by the media."

      Really? Simply for that? Obama was asked questions by THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of people during the last 2 years campaigning. Thousands alone in each of the early states where they campaigned early and hard.

      How many guys from Maine do you know all about from the media because they asked Obama a question? Answer: None

      How many guys from Iowa do you know all about from the media because they asked Obama a question? Answer: None

      This guy was investigated because McCain directly pointed him out no less than 5 separate times on a national debate shown on all the major channels.

      But I'm sure that never occurred to you.

    11. Re:Fresh Set of GOP Numbers by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 2, Informative

      If Joe actually WAS a plumber, as he said he was, he wouldn't have taken so much heat.

      He actually WAS a plumber. You do know that, right?

    12. Re:Fresh Set of GOP Numbers by LurkerXXX · · Score: 2, Informative

      He actually WASN'T a plumber. You do know that right? Being a plumber in Ohio requires a license. He didn't have one (ever).

    13. Re:Fresh Set of GOP Numbers by Hal_Porter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He actually WASN'T a plumber. You do know that right? Being a plumber in Ohio requires a license. He didn't have one (ever).

      That just shows how big government is oppressing small businesses.

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    14. Re:Fresh Set of GOP Numbers by penix1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Umm...No. Joe pushed his way up to the rope line and yelled to get Obama's attention. He then proceeded to use the party lines "communism", "spread the wealth", etc. The rest of your statement is illogical since he didn't own the business, wasn't in line to own the business, wasn't making anywhere close to what he claimed....Shall I go on?

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    15. Re:Fresh Set of GOP Numbers by sycodon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You don't have to be a plumber to own a plumbing business.

      You don't have to be a programmer or a computer engineer to own a computer business.

      Apparently, you don't have to be objective and competent to be a journalist.

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    16. Re:Fresh Set of GOP Numbers by sumdumass · · Score: 2, Informative

      Oh yea, that's right. A dishonest loaded question because the off the cuff reply Obama made didn't sound good.

      Poor Obama was the victim here now wasn't he. Of course Obama approaches Joe the Plumber, not the other way around. Obama came into his neighborhood, not the other way around, Yes, Joe the Plumber said he wanted to catch him off guard but it's just as much of Obama's fault as anyone's. Obama should have known that someone would have asked him a question like that, after all, McCain had been saying the 250,000 would hurt small businesses.

      So ok, Joe the Plumber asked a question, you seem to think it is dishonest and loaded, Is the fact that Obama floundered and then the press and Obama supporters attacked him having any weight on that position? What makes you think it was dishonest and loaded? If a reporter asked the same question it would be journalism so I don't see the problem other then Obama didn't look good.

  8. They don't understand by moteyalpha · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The problem is they really don't understand or don't care. I got a computer from a government agency and it had not been wiped. They contacted me a week later and told me I had to return it so it could be erased and reformatted. I let them do that, but, I still don't understand what could make somebody think that erasing information that has been out of their control serves any purpose whatsoever. These are people who -could- think that chain of custody is flexible.
    I just noticed the message at the bottom of my web page and it say that the Earth was destroyed by a solar flare. This post is pointless then I guess.

    1. Re:They don't understand by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's all about procedure. The prescribed procedure requires hard drives to be wiped, so when you forget it you order the drives back and wipe them. This way the procedure is fulfilled, the system works.

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  9. Re:Standard military education ... by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But McCains mistakes were not contained in secret reports, or conversations with advisors, they were big broad mistakes that everyone, including the legally blind, could read. Not everything the winner does contributed to the win, and not everything the loser did contributed to the loss, to assume otherwise is folly.

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  10. You know... by Minwee · · Score: 3, Funny
    If only the Blackberry were designed with a little more security in mind then this wouldn't happen.

    Maybe if it were possible to set a password on the thing, making the entire handheld unusable without entering it, and if it could wipe its memory after ten failed password attempts. That would be nice.

    And perhaps there should be some kind of "Enterprise Server" that could manage the things remotely, with the ability to set security policies and disable them entirely when they were no longer needed. That would be nice too.

    But, sadly, those options don't seem to be there. Otherwise, why wouldn't they have been used?

  11. Re:Standard military education ... by digitig · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Perhaps they knew the economy was going down the pan and took a dive so that the Democrats would get the blame? Memories of the New Statesman episode "The Party's Over".

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