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In Japan, a Billboard That Watches You

An anonymous reader writes "At a Tokyo railway station above a flat-panel display hawking DVDs and books sits a small camera hooked up to some image processing software. When trials begin in January the camera will scan travelers to see how many of them are taking note of the panel, in part of a technology test being run by NTT Communications. It doesn't seek to identify individuals, but it will attempt to figure out how many of the people standing in front of an advertisement are actually looking at it. A second camera, which wasn't fitted at the station but will be when tests begin next month, will take care of estimating how many people are in front of the ad, whether they are looking at it or not."

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  1. In Soviet... Japan... by exley · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wait, what?

    1. Re:In Soviet... Japan... by Lazaryn · · Score: 5, Funny

      In Soviet Russia you watch billboard?

    2. Re:In Soviet... Japan... by The+Sith+Lord · · Score: 2, Funny

      Um ...

      Can you image a beaowulf cluster of these ?

    3. Re:In Soviet... Japan... by dougisfunny · · Score: 5, Funny

      Residents of the UK can.

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    4. Re:In Soviet... Japan... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      In Imperiar Japan, birrboard watch YOU!

  2. In Japan, Billboard watches you! by binary.bang · · Score: 2

    Grammar is overrated.

  3. It's the same in North Korea by Hal_Porter · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hence the expression "In Soviet Korea, billboard watches YOU!"

    Thanks, I'll be here all week. Try the dog.

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  4. Have any of you ever BEEN there? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I have, many times, and I can honestly say that the only thing I'm looking at are the women. Ninjas sitting on the camera mounting, firing those little star things and nunchuks at me? I wouldn't even notice.

    1. Re:Have any of you ever BEEN there? by Nursie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Flippant though you may be, I can only see two outcomes for this -

      1. Advertisers realise exactly how much they have trained people to ignore everything around them, no matter how bright or annoying.

      2. Advertisements quickly become even more completely based around naked female flesh, because that's the only way they get any attention at all.

    2. Re:Have any of you ever BEEN there? by gfxguy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Excellent points!

      I've been saying this for a long time... we've become so inundated with ads that we just completely ignore them now.

      Even on television... many (if not most) people recorded their shows on VCR simply to avoid the commercials... same reason I use Tivo now. Sure, as our busy schedules got even busier, time shifting became more desirable; but even if a show is on while I'm watching TV, I will often pause or start recording it to come back later just to avoid watching the commercials.

      I suppose it's like any other good or service... the industry has devalued their product (ads) by over saturating the market.

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    3. Re:Have any of you ever BEEN there? by The13thSin · · Score: 2, Funny

      "...Advertisements quickly become even more completely based around naked female flesh..." And how is that a bad thing again?

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    4. Re:Have any of you ever BEEN there? by jrumney · · Score: 2

      When I was outside Omiya station recently, they seemed to be showing 10 second snippets of live baseball between the ads to entice people to watch.

  5. Slippery slope by Iamthecheese · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Some people will say "slippery slope", and others will declare that the phrase is a fallacy. As a shortcut description of the probably course of events, "slippery slope" is just fine. In this case:

    1: Billboards watch people.
    2: These billboards are more popular and are put into more common use.
    3: Information from a billboard cam is subpoenaed.
    4: Some bright young chap in politics notices that (a) There are cameras everywhere that could be used to observe the populace, (b) The information from these cameras isn't in use, and (c) He is up for re-election soon and needs some dirt on his opponent.
    5: This politician will make a bill to monitor the billboards. Anyone in opposition will be "soft on crime", "unwilling to monitor dangerous criminals", and "must be hiding something."
    6: Sooner or later, Minority Report.

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    1. Re:Slippery slope by timmarhy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      the problem with slippery slope is it's easy to sound right when you just make shit up. that's all slippery slope arguments are, just a made up chain of events without justification or evidence. hence it's got no credibility.

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    2. Re:Slippery slope by DreamsAreOkToo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Every time I've seen your sig "I am the cheese", I almost want to disregard everything else you've said. I understand that child porn is a legislation gateway for something-nefarious(tm), BUT currently viewing child porn IS NOT illegal. In fact, if you ever serve on the jury for a case about child porn PRODUCER, you may have to view some as evidence. What is illegal is 1) paying for it 2) storing or distributing it 3) creating it. In each of these cases, your helping create supply and/or demand, which does in fact hurt children. Currently, accidentally downloading child porn or viewing is unlikely to attract FBI attention, unless you do it a lot (and how can that be accidental?) I mean, if the FBI acted on that, they'd be arresting huge swaths of 4chan members at a time, since that stuff is (somewhat) frequently posted on message threads. If you do accidentally download it, you are probably tech savvy enough, being a Slashdot poster, to clean out your temporary files.

      When it comes right down to it, seeing your signature makes me wonder if you are in fact, a pedophile. If you are, and you've never committed a crime, great! but that's your business. However, it still hurts your reputation to have that out in the open and it muddies the real issues.

    3. Re:Slippery slope by TeXMaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Some people will say "slippery slope", and others will declare that the phrase is a fallacy. As a shortcut description of the probably course of events, "slippery slope" is just fine. In this case: 1: Billboards watch people. 2: These billboards are more popular and are put into more common use. 3: Information from a billboard cam is subpoenaed. 4: Some bright young chap in politics notices that (a) There are cameras everywhere that could be used to observe the populace, (b) The information from these cameras isn't in use, and (c) He is up for re-election soon and needs some dirt on his opponent. 5: This politician will make a bill to monitor the billboards. Anyone in opposition will be "soft on crime", "unwilling to monitor dangerous criminals", and "must be hiding something." 6: Sooner or later, Minority Report.

      You're wrong on #6: it's 1984. Minority Report used people with ESP powers, 1984 used 'TV screens' to monitor the populace.

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    4. Re:Slippery slope by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "It doesn't seek to identify individuals ..."

      Yet.

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    5. Re:Slippery slope by SharpFang · · Score: 3, Insightful

      These who don't know History are sentenced to repeating it.

      The credibility is in past scenarios. Copyright. PATRIOT. Communist revolution.

      Slippery Slope scenarios tend to be right.

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    6. Re:Slippery slope by peragrin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It isn't that slippery slopes tend to be right it is that you have to plan on the people abusing your system.

      Building a device and put a stick of dynamite into it. see what happens, build a web site, even a personal one, and watch how often it gets attacked. If your going to plan for the future you need to think ahead. People abuse the things they are given and don't have responsibility of. So if you give some one unlimited powers with no oversight it will be abused no matter the intentions.

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    7. Re:Slippery slope by RCourtney · · Score: 3, Informative

      Unfortunately, in this regard you are wrong too. Minority report used the telepathic trio to see/prevent murders. It used retinal scanners to actually track the day-to-day activities of the citizens' movements/actions. Thus the reasons he had his eyes replaced.

  6. Slow news day by Lucas.Langa · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The same technology is used even in Poland, which is still seen by the western world as a "developing country". By the way, see this.

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  7. Which station in Tokyo? by adnonsense · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I RTFA (sorry!) and it doesn't say. As I live there I'd be interested in taking a look.

    (I know I won't be tracked or even just mess up their trial statistics, what with me being a foreigner and all that: "We gathered together many faces and came up with an average Japanese face, and by using pattern matching the system recognizes faces from the image.")

    1. Re:Which station in Tokyo? by kumanopuusan · · Score: 5, Informative

      I was wondering, too, so I looked up the original report on NTT's website.

      Three cameras are installed on the Keihin Express line at Shinagawa, Yokohama and Haneda Airport stations. There's also one in the Marunouchi Building by Tokyo station and one at their lab in Yokosuka. They'll be testing until the end of March. It seems like the image processing is only being performed at Marunouchi building and Haneda.

      I go through Tokyo station on the way home, so I'll post later if I can find the thing.

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    2. Re:Which station in Tokyo? by kumanopuusan · · Score: 5, Informative

      I looked at the press release a bit closer and you can see that it's measuring two things: the number of people in the area and the number of people facing the advertisement. Here's a picture of the unit.

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    3. Re:Which station in Tokyo? by adnonsense · · Score: 2

      There's one of those units at Keikyu Shinagawa at the end of platform 3 just before the stairs going down. I think that's the only one at Shinagawa.

      I know I've glanced at it a few times but it strikes me as being a bit too far away from the main stream of people going past to convey much useful information.

    4. Re:Which station in Tokyo? by halcyon1234 · · Score: 2

      You should get a bunch of national friends together, then, and work to mess it up. Have them walk by constantly, staring at the board. Have them skew the numbers so harshly in the positive direction that the ad companies go bankrupt whilst clamoring to put up ads in the "valuable space".

      Crap like this just reminds me of that fallacy-based advert: "You just proved bench advertisement works". No, you just proved that anyone who reads a bench ad reads a bench ad. I've never bought bench advertisements, so it obviously doesn't work.

      Also: If I hack the board and throw up the Bill Hicks video, and they track how many people watch that, what do you think the outcome would be?

  8. Seems extreme to me by theredshoes · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let me know when the billboard ads for the personal/cleaning/pleasure toy robots are put up in the mall and they jump out at you while you are walking, yelling, "Buy me!" then that will be pretty damn impressive.

    Seriously though, a bit sneaky, but fascinating that they want a headcount of who walks by these marketing ads. I wonder if they realize how numb the public is to this by now? I don't know if there have been studies, but it seems to me, the older you get, the less you want, I could be wrong, I am just speaking from personal experience.

    1. Re:Seems extreme to me by TapeCutter · · Score: 2, Funny

      People are numb but they still take it, I only turn my head if it grabs my attention and that's what they want to know - does the poster grab people's attention. Other than one particulary large one near me that advertises a brothel, the last time I recall a billboard grabing my attention was when I first saw the mouse with an ear on it's back.

      "but it seems to me, the older you get, the less you want, I could be wrong, I am just speaking from personal experience."

      OT - Ditto. OTOH we old farts have had time to accumulate our favorite "stuff", replacing the stuff that wears out is not as big a deal, (ie: there is a vast difference between buying your first good car and trading it in later on your second). Also old farts are usually better off financialy (at least until they retire and blow it all on poker machines and a world cruise on the QE11), eg: my "screw this I quit" fund is not enough to retire on but it would keep me afloat for a few years, 20yrs ago it wouldn't have paid the rent. 30yrs ago I figured I could live the rest of my life using the interest on a $100K term deposit as a wage, but that was a couple of years before the breeding instinct took over and forced me to seek out "stuff" to feather the nest - I had no idea how much "stuff" a 2 foot long human "needs".

      Now that my youngest is carrying my first grandchild I watch her & hubby collecting all this baby "stuff" with mild amusement, but what I really want is for the kid to be at the toddler stage so that I can feed them chocolate and tell them nice stories about their parents...And maybe a few stories about their gradma who only visits at xmas....[fade to future converstaion]....grandma lives a long way away in a place called "alcohol", you might have overheard someone call her an "alcoholic"....well...that's like how you're an Aussie because you live in Australia....So mum, dad, you and me are all Aussie's but grandma is different. Grandma is an....[pause for response]...excellent....have another chocky...

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  9. As seen in... by riceboy50 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Minority Report. Serves the double purpose of marketing to individual preferences, and also keeping track of the populace.

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  10. This could make for an awesome prank by Logic+and+Reason · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Whenever there's only one person looking at the billboard, have its contents change subtly. For example, a character on the billboard could briefly glance at the viewer. Do it, Japan!

  11. going off topic by Iamthecheese · · Score: 2, Funny

    Every time I've seen your sig "I am the cheese", I almost want to disregard everything else you've said.

    That says something about you...

    I understand that child porn is a legislation gateway for something-nefarious(tm), BUT currently viewing child porn IS NOT illegal. In fact, if you ever serve on the jury for a case about child porn PRODUCER, you may have to view some as evidence. What is illegal is 1) paying for it 2) storing or distributing it 3) creating it.

    What I mean to say, but don't because it makes an awkward sentence is: Paying for, storing, distributing, and filming child porn: Thought crime.

    In each of these cases, your helping create supply and/or demand

    I dispute this. Only paying for it creates demand.

    which does in fact hurt children.

    I dispute that too. The only action of those specified that hurts a child is actual abuse, and only that and directly commissioning such should be a crime.

    Currently, accidentally downloading child porn or viewing is unlikely to attract FBI attention, unless you do it a lot (and how can that be accidental?) I mean, if the FBI acted on that, they'd be arresting huge swaths of 4chan members at a time, since that stuff is (somewhat) frequently posted on message threads. If you do accidentally download it, you are probably tech savvy enough, being a Slashdot poster, to clean out your temporary files.

    When it comes right down to it, seeing your signature makes me wonder if you are in fact, a pedophile. If you are, and you've never committed a crime, great! but that's your business. However, it still hurts your reputation to have that out in the open and it muddies the real issues.


    I think it is a real issue. I have a serious problem with other people's information flow being stopped by any entity for any reason. If people don't like this point of view then I have at least made them think. If my reputation takes a hit because people are prejudiced against pedophiles, so be it. I sincerely appreciate your mostly unbiased approach to this controversial subject.

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  12. Don't worry, I have AdBlock! by thegnu · · Score: 3, Funny

    *puts sock on head*

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    1. Re:Don't worry, I have AdBlock! by skeeto · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually, put a mask on the back of your head so the billboard collects false viewing data.

  13. if i ever came to power by Beer-o-clock · · Score: 2

    i'd ban Billboards. wastes of space. used for covering unmaintained eye sore government property, or just an eye sore in themselves.

    i don't think i can remember any advertising campaign, or anything good that was on a bill board.

    boo hiss etc.

  14. So that's it then? by professorguy · · Score: 2, Insightful
    "I don't understand how these are a big issue though, as there are plenty of street cameras, traffic cameras, and store cameras in most major cities."

    .

    So once the first person put up the first camera, he thus granted license for 24x7 surveillance of the entire populace? Why should anyone have any problem with it, others are doing it!

    I guess I'll go out and murder my grandmother. Hey, I don't understand why this is a big issue as there are plenty of other murders in most major cities.

    If someone is unethical, pointing out that other people are also unethical should NOT be a justification.

  15. Slippery slope: targeted and discriminating ads by Khopesh · · Score: 2

    3: Information from a billboard cam is subpoenaed. ... 5: a bill to monitor the billboards. Anyone in opposition will be "soft on crime", "unwilling to monitor dangerous criminals", and "must be hiding something." 6: Sooner or later, Minority Report.

    That's one of many slippery slopes (though, humorously, my slope also ends in Minority Report...)

    Another that comes to mind is statistics, which have always been very integral to advertising, but Google is pushing this angle HARD. Basically, the more statistical data you have, the better you can target ads and thus the better you are at pushing products. This means that it is advantageous to the advertiser to discriminate as much as possible.

    Example: figure out what brand clothes and items passers-by wear; if people who wear brand-name shoes pay more attention, you might want to put brand-name apparel on the ads. To push that even further, people who wear lots of bulky gold jewelry tend to like rap, so advertising the latest rap albums might turn more heads.

    Worse example: This is not limited to your fashion; different classes, ages, and ethnic groups tend to react differently to ads, so they can decide that since there are lots of Hispanic passers-by, an ad targeting them would be logical.

    If you've ever seen the ads in Minority Report , you have a pretty good glimpse into what this can do, even without figuring out exactly who you are by an implant, device, or facial recognition database: Dynamic displays that understand the nature of their viewer at any given moment would merely change the displayed ad to reflect each viewer. Multi-directional ads would be able to target multiple groups simultaneously. In addition, such things should suck people in (similar to the way television does), providing additional product-pushing and brand-building power.

    To those of you who scoff at this sort of thing: don't. Targeted advertising is straight-up dangerous, even the stuff you think you successfully ignore, as proven by P.T. Barnum with saturation advertising (e.g. lining the walls along a street with the same ad poster over and over again) and later perfected through corporate brand building.

    Over time, extremely well-targeted ads slowly wear away at your reason, biasing you in unnoticeable increments towards whatever products the advertisers are pushing. You are losing your individuality, and the corporate advertising agencies are slowly gaining influence on you in ways that colleagues, friends and family used to (rightly) monopolize. This means biasing your decision-making, your morals, your vote, and how you raise your children.

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