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Dubai Is Building a Refrigerated Beach

dataxtream writes "The world's first refrigerated beach is to be built at a luxury hotel in Dubai, located along the southern coast of the Persian Gulf. The beach will include heat-absorbing pipes under the sand along with large wind blowers, which will keep tourists cool and guard their feet against the hot sand. Half of me says these guys need a reality check, the other half wants to go there." I believe I've just thought of a way we could solve this whole global warming thing I've been hearing about.

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  1. beach erosion/movement by trybywrench · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I lived in Daytona until i was 12 and remember the beach landscape constantly changing. Wouldn't they have to keep moving the pipes? Like bury them deeper at times and shallower at others based on what the beach is doing that day.

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    1. Re:beach erosion/movement by RajivSLK · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, I'd guess that this is a man made beach with strict engineering and erosion control.

      Also, I've lived in Victoria BC Canada for most of my life and our beaches barely change at all. So all beaches are not like Daytona.

    2. Re:beach erosion/movement by Brigadier · · Score: 4, Insightful

      much of the beaches in Dubai are artificial. More in the sense that they have dredgers which constantly infuse new sand on the beaches to stop beach erosion. My main concern with Dubai desire to be the playground of the rich and famous is what they plan to do when terrorist realize there are infidels partying in their neck of the woods.

      I've never heard Dubai speak of how they plan to handle potential hostility from extremists. It wont be long before what happened in India finds its way to Dubai

    3. Re:beach erosion/movement by eln · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Given that there are more foreign workers in Dubai than there are citizens, and that most of those foreign workers get by on little better than slave wages and with few rights, I'm amazed something nasty hasn't happened already.

      Dubai is building their playground for the rich on the backs of exploited foreign laborers. That sort of arrangement is rarely successful over the long term. Eventually the scattered civil unrest gets larger and more organized, and then the real trouble starts.

    4. Re:beach erosion/movement by gujo-odori · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, I don't expect you would hear them speak about it. Better to have it just be a surprise to the bad guys, but I'd be very surprised if there isn't a plan. Also, in a small country like Dubai, it's easy to both know and control who goes in and out, and how they do so. Additionally, I expect that in Dubai, their laws probably give them rather broad authority in that are. Finally, Dubai is at least somewhat less of a target simply by virtue of the fact that it is an Islamic nation. That isn't to say that the terrorists have any qualms about killing other Muslims with whom they disagree - they most certainly have none - but it would make them look bad to attack an Islamic nation, and while they care not a whit for human lives, they do care about image and PR. Marketing, in fact, is probably the thing they are better at than anything else.

    5. Re:beach erosion/movement by a_ghostwheel · · Score: 4, Informative

      Dubai is not a country. It's either an emirate or a city (and judging from context it is a city here). Country is United Arab Emirates which does not really qualify for being called "small country".

    6. Re:beach erosion/movement by Miseph · · Score: 5, Funny

      "all beaches are not like Daytona."

      I've been to Daytona, and all I can say to that is: Thank Fucking God.

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    7. Re:beach erosion/movement by Architect_sasyr · · Score: 3, Informative

      Apart from the data-charges (which are *lethal*), the office that I have in Dubai is more highly paid for the 8 people there than the 16 (including a CEO) in the Australian office.

      Just a note, didn't really have anything to say but thought the "slave wages" was a bit of a stretch. At least for my set of foreign workers.

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    8. Re:beach erosion/movement by fictionpuss · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The funny thing is though, that if you go back a generation you'd see a role reversal in the jealousy with regards fancy Americans with their indoor plumbing and other technological innovations.

      Comes around. Goes around. Etc. Get off the merry go round or keep cycling in what amounts to self hatred.

    9. Re:beach erosion/movement by Kagura · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't care what the media says, I doubt we'll ever know the true motivations of the scumbags who committed mass murder in India recently

      What? Do people just decide to organize a dozen people for months or years with detailed plans just for no reason, on a whim?

    10. Re:beach erosion/movement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The funny thing is though, that if you go back a generation you'd see a role reversal in the jealousy with regards fancy Americans with their indoor plumbing and other technological innovations.

      Comes around. Goes around. Etc. Get off the merry go round or keep cycling in what amounts to self hatred.

      Or just, you know, push for alternative fuels, and cut dependence on foreign oil. Whining solves nothing.

    11. Re:beach erosion/movement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      He's not talking about white collar professionals...he's talking about people from the Indian subcontinent and other poor regions that are used for manual labor (e.g. construction). I lived in the region for almost a decade, and it was shameful to see the way those people were treated, as if they were subhuman. Granted they make more than they would in their home country, but their quality of life is so low, especially in contrast with the insane amount of wealth and waste there. Even worse than their standard of living was the way they were treated by the indigenous Arab people. To give you a better context, if you've seen the movie "Syriana", the way migrant workers are treated is extremely realistic.

    12. Re:beach erosion/movement by zippthorne · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What do the people in your office do? Are they out there building and maintaining the wonders of Dubai's skyline? Working the dredgers that build up the artificial islands? Serving the meals, cleaning the sheets, polishing the brass, driving the trucks?

      Yeah. Of course the office workers aren't getting the slave wages. They're the rich people the slaves are building Dubai for.

      Jeez man, think a little. Just because you need a job doesn't mean you're poor.

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    13. Re:beach erosion/movement by G-Man · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, because all those imperialists in Darfur, Bali, the Philippines, etc., etc., really had it coming to them.

    14. Re:beach erosion/movement by flyonthewall · · Score: 3, Informative

      Lots of bad guys in the UAE and more specifically in Dubai. Lots of good guys too. However the area (both Dubai and Abu Dabi) is a financial centre for the bad guys. They will not do anything to jeopardize that as they know the instant they raise trouble they will lose that privilege.

      So, in the end everyone is looking at each other in the white of the eyes, restraining themselves (and just collecting Int).

      Actually quite safe for a middle eastern country as long as you do not try to stick out like a sore thumb.

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  2. The laws of thermodynamics are still on the books by tetromino · · Score: 4, Funny

    I believe I've just thought of a way we could solve this whole global warming thing I've been hearing about.

    You mean, power the giant beach refrigerator by attaching a generator to the spinning corpse of old Sadi Carnot?

  3. Re:Patent Pending by donscarletti · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The world is in a global economic depression and they are rigging up their beach with AC. Give me a break.

    The world is in a global economic depression because everyone's too worried about the global economic depression to spend enough money to pick the economy back up. If you've got the money to spend on something that takes an enormous amount of labour it will be a great thing for the economy as the extra cash circulating will boost everyone's confidence to spend their own. Plus, if you ever wanted to have something like this built, now is the time.

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  4. No thanks... by glavenoid · · Score: 4, Funny

    No booze on the beach. Pass. No half-nekkid chicks. Pass. I'll save my beach-going for a land that loves sin...

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  5. Re:Idle this shit by SydShamino · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Are you implying that this audience isn't interested in domes cities and artificial living environments??

    Read some science fiction man! I grew up on this stuff.

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  6. Re:Idle this shit by Brigadier · · Score: 5, Insightful

    not all nerds collect hard drive platters for a living .... I have an architectural background and think it quite interesting when fringe type ideas make it unto slashdot. Nerd =! Computers there are many other types of Tech out there besides C++

  7. Why bother going? by photonic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Half of me says these guys need a reality check, the other half wants to go there.

    Why bother going to Dubai anyhow? It is too hot, they only have sand and some fake islands that no-one wants to buy and no culture (unless you are into modern, megalomaniac architecture). And in terms of population, there are just overwhelmingly rich locals, western expats designing toy projects for said locals and Indian immigrants actually building those toy projects. If you are choosing a holiday destination, I could not thing of anything less interesting.

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    1. Re:Why bother going? by istartedi · · Score: 5, Informative

      shhhh. You'll pop their bubble. Ooops. Too late.

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  8. Every little bit of solar helps... by maxfresh · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What they are proposing is just to extract the solar thermal energy from the beach sand. The solar energy doesn't have to be wasted. If they were to take the solar heat laden coolant, and pass it through a heat exchanger, and into a Stirling engine, they could use it to generate electricity to power desalination equipment, for example. Using the cooler ocean water as the heat sink wouldn't produce very high efficiency, but it would still be a net gain. It wouldn't cost very much more than just throwing the heat away. They could get coolor sand, and generate solar power at the same time. Just a thought...

  9. Re:Has this solution been considered? by Joce640k · · Score: 3, Funny

    No engineer would ever think of that - the water is miles away!

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  10. Re:Patent Pending by causality · · Score: 3, Informative

    The world is in a global economic depression and they are rigging up their beach with AC. Give me a break.

    The world is in a global economic depression because everyone's too worried about the global economic depression to spend enough money to pick the economy back up. If you've got the money to spend on something that takes an enormous amount of labour it will be a great thing for the economy as the extra cash circulating will boost everyone's confidence to spend their own. Plus, if you ever wanted to have something like this built, now is the time.

    The world is in a global economic depression because the wealthiest nations have all adopted a centralized banking system like the USA's Federal Reserve. This system, inherently and by design, has more debt than currency in circulation to pay that debt because interest (the "prime rate") is attached to money the moment it is created.

    Let's say that the Federal Reserve has just been set up. There is currently no money in circulation so the first money is created. The prime rate (to make up a nice workable number) is 5%. Let's say the Fed creates ten billion dollars. The Fed gives the USA Government ten billion dollars. In exchange, the USA Government gives the Fed government bonds (a promise to pay back) worth $10,500,000,000 (the original ten billion plus the 5% interest). Now you have money in circulation. Except now you have a problem because there is only ten billion dollars in your entire economy and there is ten billion five-hundred million dollars in debt. The only thing you can do is keep borrowing more money (also at interest) to pay down the interest, and to borrow yet more to pay down the interest from that, ad nauseum. What you have is a downwardly-spiraling cycle of debt. Debt, the only form of slavery that's still legal. What's funny about this is that even if you could pay off all debt (and under this system, you can't), the result would be no more money in circulation!

    To say that inflation is built into this system does not even begin to scratch the surface. You have more debt than you have dollars in circulation, and the dollars effectively represent debt and not wealth. That excess debt doesn't just go away. Someone ends up holding that debt. These are your bankruptcies and foreclosures and your bailouts. Bad decision-making causes many of these, but with this system they must exist no matter what and furthermore, they must get worse because it's a debt cycle. So, decision-making merely decides who winds up with this debt. And what is the result of debt and bankruptcy? The result is that the banks foreclose and become the owners of actual wealth (as opposed to fiat currency) like real estate.

    That's why the debates about whether to bail out The Big Three are phony. The debate about whether efforts to give credit to people with poor credit histories caused the mortgage crisis (during which less than 5% of buyers defaulted) is also immaterial even if every point raised is valid. The system is inherently broken, no amount of tinkering will fix it, and it's not like the media is going to point this out even though this fact can be known by anyone who cares to study the Federal Reserve and fractional reserve banking.

    I hope people understand why the Founding Fathers considered centralized banks to be more dangerous than standing armies or why Nathan Rothschild said "Let me issue and control a nationâ(TM)s currency and I care not who makes its laws.â Maybe you also see how the media is not your friend; they will maintain the illusion of lively debate but always in a way that can't possibly change anything because it's completely irrelevant and doesn't address the actual problem. How many examples of that do you need to see before you start thinking that maybe it isn't an accident?

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  11. Easier solution by OrangeTide · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Go to Bermuda for your next vacation, a place where the sand isn't scorching hot.

    It's about location, location, location. And Dubai isn't the location.

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  12. Re:Patent Pending by DragonWriter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The world is in a global economic depression because the wealthiest nations have all adopted a centralized banking system like the USA's Federal Reserve. This system, inherently and by design, has more debt than currency in circulation to pay that debt because interest (the "prime rate") is attached to money the moment it is created.

    Uh, no.

    That was all true for a long time without an global economic depression.

    There is a recession in the US and some other places which may become a global economic depression because of a massive credit seize-up in the wake of, among other things, the bursting of the housing bubble in the US, and because of other factors (including the decline in income in the bottom four quintiles even during the most recent expansion in the US) reducing both industrial and consumer demand. The global reach of the crisis is due to the effect that the world economy is massively integrated through investment and trade.

    The independent central banks that have become a near-universal norm have only marginal relevance; they aren't a significant cause of the problem (government policies in the US, like Gramm-Leach-Bliley, probably a significant role, but that's not central bank action.) Nor, for that matter, are they capable of doing much about the problem; they are mostly capable of short-term stabilization of minor disruptions, big crises render monetary responses mostly meaningless except as slight mitigation at best.

    Let's say that the Federal Reserve has just been set up. There is currently no money in circulation so the first money is created.

    Um, there was money in circulation when the Federal Reserve was set up.

    I hope people understand why the Founding Fathers considered centralized banks to be more dangerous than standing armies

    "the Founding Fathers" did no such thing. Certain of the Founding Fathers opposed a central bank (Jefferson and those that went on to form the nucleus of the Democratic-Republicans), OTOH, certain of the Founding Fathers (e.g., Alexandar Hamilton and the rest of those that went on to form the nucleus of the Federalists) certainly favored a central bank as a desirable thing.

  13. Awesome by InlawBiker · · Score: 4, Funny

    Somebody needed to deflect attention from America's excesses and take the spotlight for needless waste and overspending. Go Dubai!

  14. Re:Patent Pending by cynical+kane · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This system, inherently and by design, has more debt than currency in circulation to pay that debt because interest (the "prime rate") is attached to money the moment it is created...
    Let's say the Fed creates ten billion dollars. The Fed gives the USA Government ten billion dollars. In exchange, the USA Government gives the Fed government bonds (a promise to pay back) worth $10,500,000,000 (the original ten billion plus the 5% interest). Now you have money in circulation. Except now you have a problem because there is only ten billion dollars in your entire economy

    You don't understand the terms you are using.

    First, the prime rate is the interbank lending rate, and not directly related to treasury bonds.

    Second, you can't say "there's only 10 billion in the entire economy" as though that means something. Nobody (except for conspiracy nuts) measures an economy by the amount of available paper money! That's insane!

    A simple exercise of your limited imagination would have revealed that, one, there's far more "money" than there is cash (about 8 times more if you count time deposits as money), two, the ability to work and to pay is not limited by the quantity of money. Do you have to amass $500,000 at once to pay off your mortgage? No! Wrong!

    When your understanding of money is sourced from conspiracy nuts, it's only expected that you will be grossly uninformed.