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The Post-Bilski Era Gets Underway

bfwebster writes "A set of pharmaceutical process patents for 'evaluating and improving the safety of immunization schedules' (Classen v. Biogen et al.; see US Patents 6,420,139; 6,638,379; 5,728,385; 5,723,283) were held to be invalid due to unpatentability. The decision was appealed to the US Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit, but was upheld with a terse citation to In re Bilski (which decision we discussed here). Here's the entire text of the appeals decision: 'In light of our decision in In re Bilski, 545 F.3d 943 (Fed. Cir. 2008) (en banc), we affirm the district court's grant of summary judgment that these claims are invalid under 35 U.S.C. 101. Dr. Classen's claims are neither "tied to a particular machine or apparatus" nor do they "transform a particular article into a different state or thing." Bilski, 545 F.3d at 954. Therefore we affirm.' It will be interesting to see what happens when these same standards start getting applied to software-related patents."

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  1. News for lawyers, Stuff that matters. by clarkkent09 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For us non-laywers and not interested enough to spend time looking up those court cases but interested enough to understand what the significance of this is, can someone please translate the summary into plain English?

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    1. Re:News for lawyers, Stuff that matters. by David+Gerard · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As a rule of thumb, when a judge answers you with a single paragraph of "go away," you were stupid to even bring the case and pushing it is likely to lead only to heartbreak (and paying attorneys' fees) for you and your client.

      I heartily recommend a diet of Groklaw, to teach you as a technologist WTF the lawyers mean.

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  2. It's really not a huge change by CaptainPatent · · Score: 4, Informative

    As a software examiner I can say that this honestly doesn't change a lot in our art unit. If the implementation could occur in someone's head then no physical transformation takes place (i.e. software steps that aren't claimed to be on a computer.)

    There are only a small amount of applications this effects and it's very easy to overcome, although I unfortunately can't go into much more depth than that.

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    1. Re:It's really not a huge change by DigiShaman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What about a business processes such as Amazon's 1-Click. Surely this will be next now that there is a precedent.

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    2. Re:It's really not a huge change by florescent_beige · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There are only a small amount of applications this effects and it's very easy to overcome, although I unfortunately can't go into much more depth than that.

      I don't think you meant anything controversial but there's just something about that line that makes me grumpy. It sort of implies that the inner machinations of the patent system aren't meant for regular people to understand. It plays to the feeling, common around here, that the only thing that regular people, the kind that might start small software shops, need to know about software patents is that they can kill your business if your competitors are big.

      I know that's not what you meant, it's probably your job that prevents you from commenting further.

      Still, how many little guys have not tried to pursue a really good idea that might attract attention from MegaSoftware Inc. because they fear getting a registered letter with scary legal documents that say "patent infringement" because some rich guy on his yacht called his $500/hr lawyers and said "that guy is good...kill him?"

      Anyway, I kind of launched into a screed there. My fingers just typed it I don't know why.

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  3. Re:What about post-9-11 era? by tomhudson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Dr. Classen's claims are neither "tied to a particular machine or apparatus" nor do they "transform a particular article into a different state or thing." Bilski, 545 F.3d at 954.

    Hey, since that is a transformative act, why not patent it? Then you can prevent anyone else from trying to "punish jews."

    While you're at it, why not extend the patent to *ALL* hate crimes? And WAR? Be nice if hate crimes and war were impractical because of potential patent violations.

    And you could patent stupidity. We could all use an outbreak of common sense.

  4. In other words... by maz2331 · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's a virtual invention and gets no protection. Patents after Bilski pretty much have to be tied to a particular machine or change something in meat-space.

    1. Re:In other words... by fractalVisionz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's great to see the judgment for this case, however, it will not stop virtual patents in the pharma world (or in software either). Patent lawyers know the system very well, and will use what they learned here to make sure that all virtual patents are tied to a mechanical process or an apparatus. In this case, specifically for US Patent 6420139, evaluating the safety of immunization could become using a simple lab on a chip (the apparatus) that will take the samples from all patients and evaluate their effectiveness in correlation with the schedule of treatment*. The lab on a chip will be novel for detection of a certain disease, virus, etc., which will allow this to be patentable for each new immunization/screening that is needed (with minor tweaks of course).

      *Note: this has been written about now, therefor prior art now exists. You may not use this to validate this patent, or others.

  5. Re:Irrelevant. by pauljlucas · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For a software patent, "the machine" is the machine that results when the software is running on it. For example, when a computer is running a spreadsheet application, "the machine" is a "spreadsheet machine." (Don't believe it? Look it up.)

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  6. The Post-Bikini Era Gets Underway by theaveng · · Score: 2, Funny

    Ooops. That says "post-Bilski" not "post-Bikini".

    Darn. And I was looking forward to visiting the bikini-free beach this summer. :-|

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    1. Re:The Post-Bikini Era Gets Underway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Be careful for what you wish for. The alternative may be far worse.

  7. Re:What about post-9-11 era? by Kozz · · Score: 2, Funny

    And you could patent stupidity.

    I'm quite certain that'd be one case in which prior art would not go unnoticed.

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  8. That sidesteps the issue. by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Properly, software, as a written work, should be covered by copyright and not patents anyway. This was true in the past, and the changes that allowed software patents to become common are precisely the cause of all the problems everybody is now trying to fix.

    If the current Bilski ruling does not change this effectively, then reasonable people will continue to push until it is changed. In other words, our goal (no joke or exaggeration) is to put you out of a job.

  9. Re:What about post-9-11 era? by florescent_beige · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hey, since that is a transformative act, why not patent it?

    Sorry, prior art. Look up Genghis Khan v Asia.

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  10. Re:Irrelevant. by florescent_beige · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, the Wikipedia page for Bilski quotes the court as having said:

    "We leave to future cases the elaboration of the precise contours of machine implementation, as well as the answers to particular questions, such as whether or when recitation of a computer suffices to tie a process claim to a particular machine."

    So I think the question remains open.

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  11. Not so by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Interesting

    either legally or conceptually. This identical issue was settled by the courts almost 150 years ago, when the "music industry" of the time was up in arms about piracy of music for player pianos.

    Industry argued that the paper rolls should be patentable, because they constituted physical items that controlled a physical machine. The courts ruled (quite properly, in my opinion) that the physical form of the music is irrelevant; it might be possible, for example, to make a machine that could read music directly off the paper it was written on. Does that make it fundamentally a "different" product or work from the original? The answer was unequivocally "NO".

    The same holds for written vs. compiled software: there is no fundamental difference between the results of software that is run in realtime by an interpreter (which reads the source code directly), and the results produced by the same program when compiled. If the interpreter and compiler are constructed properly, the output is identical. Therefore there is no legal (or moral, or ethical, or logical) difference. For all practical purposes they are the SAME.

    It is precisely because industry has managed, after all this time, to finally get the courts to be sympathetic to the position that software should be patentable that we are having all these troubles. During the long period when it was understood and accepted that software was a copyright issue rather than a patent issue, such problems seldom arose. Now they are everywhere. Also, software patents have a chilling effect on innovation; we have seen this time and again, even some really egregious examples. It is clear by now that software patents have very little if any societal benefit, in proportion to the harm that they cause.

  12. Unless It Hits KSR by maz2331 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It still will need to pass the hurdle of "obviousness" under KSR, which basically lays down a standard of using commonly known components in accordance with known techniques and getting the predictable result is highly likely to be "obvious" and thus fail patentability.

    What I found interesting in this case is that the courts have told the patent attorneys in this case that the Bilski ruling actually means what it says, and that trying to game their way around it will result in summary execution of thier case.

    The rules have fundamentally changed.

  13. Re:Irrelevant. by he-sk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The spreadsheet application can only do spreadsheets.

    To the contrary, I bet most spreadsheets today are turing-complete, meaning they can conceivably simulate any computer program.

    It's not called general purpose computer for nothing, you know.

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