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Dell's XPS 730x Core I7 Gaming System Reviewed

MojoKid writes "Shortly after Intel released their new Core i7 processors about a month ago, Dell announced a new update to the XPS 730 with Core i7 tech under the hood. The new Dell XPS 730x is first and foremost a technology update but the chassis has also been buffed up a bit. The Intel Core 2 processor and NVIDIA 790i Ultra SLI chipset powering the original XPS 730 line have been swapped with the new Core i7 processor and an Intel X58 Express chipset based motherboard. The XPS 730x retains the original 730's ability to support both Crossfire and SLI multi-GPU graphics. Like all XPS 700 series machines since the XPS 710, the XPS 730x is available with optional factory overclocking and a H2C edition featuring a two-stage liquid cooling system. And yes, it rips through Crysis quite nicely and puts up rather impressive benchmark numbers."

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  1. Oblig. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Maybe it will actually run Vista!

    1. Re:Oblig. by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 4, Informative

      News for nerds: Throwing a ridiculous shitload of money at a vendor will buy you a fast machine. Film at 11.

    2. Re:Oblig. by Anthony_Cargile · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, but only to use the extra RAM and processing time to "cache" all of the crap you never use, and to help index your hard drive since apparently us users can never seem to remember where we put anything despite the fact we get a UAC prompt if we choose to save anything outside of our home directory.

      And lets see how well the SLI/Crossfire graphics cards run games while also being called by the desktop window manager and and explorer to redraw aero effects constantly. And by the way, you're paying an assload of money for all of this too, including another crappy chassis.

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    3. Re:Oblig. by MozeeToby · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, but only to use the extra RAM and processing time to "cache" all of the crap you never use

      I'm confused, you'd rather Windows just didn't do anything with the extra memory and processing power? If you really don't want you hard drive indexed, you can turn off indexing. The memory used to cache frequently used programs is reallocated when necissary, don't let the little graph in the task manager fool you into thinking you don't have enough memory just because your memory is actually being used for a change.

      And lets see how well the SLI/Crossfire graphics cards run games while also being called by the desktop window manager and and explorer to redraw aero effects constantly.

      Aero is automatically disabled when running any full screen game. If you really hate it that badly, disable it.

      Vista has a lot of problems. Having features that many people like, which can be disabled by those who don't, isn't one of them. The only valid complaint you make, in my opinion, is obnoxious UAC prompts.

    4. Re:Oblig. by HAKdragon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The only valid complaint you make, in my opinion, is obnoxious UAC prompts.
       
      ..which can also be turned off.

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    5. Re:Oblig. by drsmithy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The only valid complaint you make, in my opinion, is obnoxious UAC prompts.

      Which is also pretty groundless, since generally speaking UAC prompts appear for the same reasons, and with similar frequency, as sudo prompts on Linux or Windows.

      And you can even turn them off, if you want to expose yourself to more risk.

    6. Re:Oblig. by benjymouse · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It would be stupid if it was correct. However, that is why Vista also has a unique memory priority feature. It is exactly to ensure that a process with lower priority memory requirements (such as the cache, readyboost, disk defrag, defender etc) does *not* page out normal priority memory. What's stupid is how some people are all prepared to make all kind of assumptions about Vista and then use those - often false - assumptions to knock it.

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    7. Re:Oblig. by nedlohs · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's not stupid as such, it's the standard human thought process for making decisions which is:

      1. Make a decision based on what you feel or what other people tell you to decide.
      2. Find evidence that supports your decision, ignore evidence that counters it.
      3. If there isn't much evidence make some up so you don't look stupid for making the wrong decision.

      Nothing to do with Vista, or Microsoft, just the usual method of thinking.

    8. Re:Oblig. by billcopc · · Score: 3, Informative

      While it is a ridiculous shitload of money, I did a quick cost comparison and it's actually a pretty good deal considering what's it in. Sure, you get the semi-sucky Dell versions of everything, which means a blah motherboard, blah (underclocked?) graphics card and a "1000w power supply" that competes with 700w models from Antec or Seasonic (same shit really), but you would have a hard time building an equivalent system for that kind of money, and you certainly won't get any kind of warranty from online dealers.

      I hate to say it, but if you're in the market for a $5000 beast, this one ain't so bad. That said, if you're still somewhat sane you could build a rig that yields 90% of the performance for less than half the price, but clearly some people just have to have that last 0.2 ghz for $1500 more.

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    9. Re:Oblig. by drsmithy · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's gotta be my biggest gripe with UAC: without the use of a password, it can't even secure a PC from a click-happy granny from out of town.

      Which is not what it's meant to do.

      If you really want to, you can configure UAC to prompt for a password (and even a username). In typical scenarios, however, it adds nothing.

  2. Re:XPS cases sucks by JCSoRocks · · Score: 5, Informative

    BTX is a far superior mobo layout for air cooled cases. The only reason it didn't end up usurping ATX is because manufacturers didn't want to spend the money to support the new form factor.

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  3. Re:Windows again by JCSoRocks · · Score: 4, Funny

    this isn't the world, it's slashdot.

    signed, a fat basement dweller who can't wait for 2009, year of the linux desktop.

    Oh that's next year!? YES! I'm going to hit up thinkgeek and buy myself every linux shirt I can find. In your face MS admins!

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  4. Re:Windows again by Nethead · · Score: 3, Funny

    I thought that 20NN+1 was the year of the Linux laptop.

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  5. Re:Windows again by MBGMorden · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While I don't really disagree with your assessment, I find it interesting to note that many people have blamed the fall of the Amiga as a platform on it being too heavily marketed as a games platform rather than being for "work stuff".

    Ironic that now it seems that one of the major obstacles preventing a particular platform's wide level acceptance is the presence of games.

    Truthfully given how limited my scope of gaming is these days Linux could PROBABLY serve all my needs if there were a good WoW (and Ventrilo) client for it. For the time being though my Mac is thankfully able to handle both those tasks.

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  6. Re:XPS cases sucks by Psychotria · · Score: 2, Funny

    Conclusion, only fat pasty linux users buy dells.

    I don't know what to say.

  7. Re:XPS cases sucks by DigitalisAkujin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't want it either because I have to buy a new case.

    If I'm just swapping out mobos and CPUs every now and then I don't wanna be buying new cases. Especially if I"m using a really good and very expensive one.

  8. $5099 for a gaming computer... without SLI? by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hmm, this really doesn't make much sense. If you're going to spend that much money, the thing should have four graphics cards and its own nuclear powerplant. The one they reviewed, priced at 5099 dollars, only has one graphics card, so it gets whooped by a $1500 computer at Crysis.

    1. Re:$5099 for a gaming computer... without SLI? by Samah · · Score: 2, Funny

      By "Crysis", I assume you mean that benchmarking software, as it sure as hell isn't a game. I'd *almost* rather play Spore, and that's saying something.

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  9. Re:Dell? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Dell bought Alienware.

  10. $4,700 later, you can play a $40, year-old game by larsoncc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think it's funny that we're using Crysis as a benchmark, rather than an object-lesson in "what not to do in game development."

    The only reason why Crysis is being chosen here is because it's notoriously difficult to get it running on any system maxed out. The article's graph notes that the test was run without adding in anti-aliasing, and it manages to barely squeak out a playable frame rate (on a 22" widescreen lcd resolution).

    Crysis looks good, sure, but so do most games at this point. It can scale down to run OK on lower machines, but again, so do most games at this point.

    Benchmarking aside, I think it's beyond ridiculous that anyone would buy a $4,500+ PC for home / game use. What could possibly justify that? I have a year old system (quad core, 8800GT) that can literally play every game on the market at max settings... at 1920x1600! Oh, I guess with the singular exception of Crysis, which I haven't bothered with.

    I wouldn't dream of spending that much cash on a game system. Think about it this way: You can buy this PC, -or- a used Audi. Or... a well-equipped gaming PC, a Sony XBR TV, a PS3, 360, AND Wii, and still have money left over for games.

    1. Re:$4,700 later, you can play a $40, year-old game by Chandon+Seldon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think it's funny that we're using Crysis as a benchmark, rather than an object-lesson in "what not to do in game development."

      What are you talking about. Computer games have *always* been designed to have settings headroom so that they can take advantage of new hardware. Crysis is normal, not some wacky exception.

      I have a year old system (quad core, 8800GT) that can literally play every game on the market at max settings... at 1920x1600!

      That's bullshit. FarCry 2, for example, also wouldn't run on max on that rig. And that's good. It means that game graphics haven't stagnated. It means that games can look better, and all you need to do is upgrade to see them. Just like it's been for the past 15 years.

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    2. Re:$4,700 later, you can play a $40, year-old game by Zordak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, but enough about Bill Gates. Some people have a lot of debt and like to have new toys.

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    3. Re:$4,700 later, you can play a $40, year-old game by LandDolphin · · Score: 2, Funny

      I feel like your post make some sense, but I was warned not to rely on your post for any reason.

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  11. Indexed Search is a Lifesaver by WiiVault · · Score: 4, Informative

    Your Vista criticism is sound except for the indexing part. I have over a terabyte of stuff on my home machine and despite my best efforts I often cannot find things. OS X Spotlight has literally become my Finder replacement. These days I rarely ever even navigate through the windows. Of course I have had to learn to be a lot more careful when I label documents, but the time savings more than makes up for the occasional indexing. To me at least, real comprehensive search is the killer app of the modern desktop.

    1. Re:Indexed Search is a Lifesaver by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not that I don't agree with you in principle, but how hard is to have a bunch of organized folders: docs, mp3s, porn, etc.? Same argument: do a little work first, save time later.

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    2. Re:Indexed Search is a Lifesaver by icegreentea · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In principle it's not that hard. That being said, desktop searching is incredibly helpful. You organized your mp3s by genre, band, album... Now you don't feel like clicking through a bunch of folders to get to your music. Sure, the bands you listen to often, you might have down with muscle memory. But when you try to look for something you haven't listened to in a while, it gets frustrating to sit around reading through band name after band name. Desktop search and you're done.

      Desktop search has its place. Organizing yourself is form of self restraint and discipline that is absolutely vital to getting stuff done. On the other hand, the reason we have all this technology is to make life easier.

    3. Re:Indexed Search is a Lifesaver by nobodylocalhost · · Score: 5, Informative

      Hold it, you are assuming people are going to search only by file name. However, the rest of us do search by content. How will you remember which file contains "int restriction_level = 1;" on a project with thousands of files and a class diagram that looks like spiderweb on steroids? Indexing is very useful in that aspect.

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    4. Re:Indexed Search is a Lifesaver by Anthony_Cargile · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The thing is, I use media players like (dare I say it) iTunes, WMP, Media Center, or RhythmBox to manage my songs and/or videos for me (as well as play them), so I don't need to sit there and browse folders or take a performance hit for indexing.

      When the great grandparent post said they liked indexing because they have a huge hard drive, the only thing I can think of for having such a hard drive would be Music/Video libraries, games, or absolutely huge Flash documents. The music/video most certainly would have a manager like iTunes or Media Center, the games are just apps with start menu/desktop launchers, and as a Flash dev myself I just put all of my .flas in a directory such as ~/Documents/Flash.

      And if you need a terabyte of hard drive space to store a bunch of word processing documents, then not only do I feel sorry for you but by all means enable indexing since you apparently do nothing other than edit word processing documents all day long.

      And as far as UAC, Indexing, and Aero having the ability to be turned off, I personally turn off Indexing for better personal organization, and always use the "classic" theme under any Windows version, but I would never turn off UAC in Vista because it is just as vital to security as sudo/gksu/root/wheel in *nix, and one of the reasons Vista does not have nearly the amount of security problems other past Windows versions have had.

      Vista has its share of problems other than what can be disabled (DirectX 10, WDM issues, memory management issues etc.), but many of these have been somewhat resolved in the Windows 7 betas I've tested, although driver issues persist (they were betas, after all). I am personally skipping Vista from my work-related virtual machine collection for these reasons, awaiting the production build of Windows 7 (actually Windows 6.1). Microsoft has been paying attention to our complaints with Vista, and 7 reflects this, e.g. a toned down UAC, better memory management, more streamlining, and graphics without quite as much performance hit.

  12. Re:Windows again by LarsG · · Score: 4, Informative

    From what I can remember, it was also management issues at the top.

    Not to mention that the Amiga was tightly bound to the custom chips they did in-house (Paula/Agnus, etc). Commodore didn't spend (or didn't have?) enough resources on R&D to keep up with the PC, and was also too slow in changing the platform so that it could use PC components instead.

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  13. Re:But can you upgrade? by Swift+Kick · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes, you can.

    There are 4 drive slots located below the power supply towards the rear of the case.

    1) open the side panel,
    2) remove the drive tray in one of the empty slots,
    3) place your drive in the drive tray, slide it in,
    4) connect the SATA and power cables,
    5) close the side panel.

    That's it.

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  14. Re:Dell? by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well I missed that bit of news

    Might want to peruse some tech-related sites from time to time, then.

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  15. Re:Well put... by Psychotria · · Score: 3, Funny

    You're missing the point. Maxis is releasing SimEarth soon, which will model weather systems tracking each individual water molecule; geological processes and modeling of the seismic activity including the role every soil particle assumes; the wind velocities inside a tornado; real-time fluid dynamics; life; accurate supernova recreations/simulations; and a whole lot more.

  16. Re:Windows again by snuf23 · · Score: 5, Informative

    There were a lot of reasons. Probably the number one overall was the same reason Mac market share dropped: the large prevalence of cheap PC clones from different vendors. The average user didn't see a real difference between Windows and another OS.
    As far as the technical side, you are correct in that the custom chips ultimately held the Amiga back. The updated AGA chipset machines (more or less comparable to VGA at the time) were pricey for the power they offered. For example the A1200 was released with a 68020 at a time when 486s were becoming common on PCs.

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  17. Re:1st post by Hurricane78 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No speakers (FAIL)

    Yeah. You're paying tons of cash for the best hardware out there, and then route the audio trough crappy active PC speakers? That's like those people who buy an expensive car, and then can't afford the fuel for it.

    If you have an expensive display, or sound card, don't be cheap on the sound. Everybody I know, who has a decent system, has it connected to his hi-fi system. I have only one output on my system: Real-time encoded AC-3 trough a fiber glass cable... It's better to let your amplifier do the D/A-decoding, instead of the cheap decoders in your sound card.

    At least I don't have to tell my fellow Slashdotters, that the keyboard is very important too. :)

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  18. Re:1st post by youthoftoday · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes. My PowerBook G4 12 inch machine has really excellent speakers.

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  19. Re:1st post by lymond01 · · Score: 2, Informative

    FTFA: "Also included are a few freebies. Every XPS 730 system comes with a free tool kit with all of the various screwdrivers you would need to tinker with your system, a free Dell XPS metal mouse pad and a free set of XPS branded Turtle Beach Ear Force HPA2 surround sound gaming headset."

  20. Re:4k base and only 6gb of RAM? by gparent · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because no games out right now use 6 Gb of RAM. However, plenty of games are still limited by CPU and GPU power.

  21. Re:Well put... by GXTi · · Score: 3, Funny

    I heard it will also simulate the LHC, which makes you wonder why CERN wasted untold billions building the damn thing in the first place.

  22. Re:Windows again by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And if XP lost all the crap and became a game only OS then I could live with that as well.

    I'm not getting my head around why this appeals to you so much. Maybe its just how I look at it.

    For me - Linux is great. I work in it. I dabble with various hobbies in it. When I want to game, its nice to just swing over to a virtual desktop and fire up a game for an hour or two (or hell - a weekend lost to downing bosses and fighting battlegrounds). A specialized gaming OS would mean I have to reboot (I couldn't imagine running in an emulator but hey - we're getting there).

    What you're asking for is a specialized OS. That seems to go against the nature of multi-purpose computing. That environment has been producing some very interesting effects over the years and pushing games that didn't exist anywhere else. Narrow the focus and you might miss the Next Big Thing.

    Even consoles are wandering away from their specialized roots. PS3 and Xbox are trying very hard to be all things entertainment; gaming, media, web browsing... it goes on. Unless the market gets burned by this, it is the thing of the future. Even my Tivo wants me to use it to order a pizza (apparently unsatisfied with just recording my TV, delivering movies / internet TV shows / podcasts, and streaming internet music stations).

  23. Re:Windows again by MrHanky · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Bullshit. There are two makers of capable GPUs, and both support Linux well with decent drivers downloadable from their web sites. Installing the drivers is straight-forward for anyone capable of reading simple instructions. Different from Windows, yes, but not in any way difficult. You forget that while Linux is different from Windows, the users aren't in general any less competent.

    Also, the fact that you believe there is such a thing as hunting down drivers in the Linux world shows that you have no fucking clue what you're talking about. If that's how you tried solving your problems, then it's obvious why you couldn't get it to work: you're doing it wrong. Don't blame the OS for your own incompetence.

  24. Re:?Booting games by Anthony_Cargile · · Score: 2, Informative

    Care to do your own hardware abstraction, graphics library, standard C/C++ implementation from direct x86 ASM? And what about booting from only a DVD, or prepackaging games in the extremely popular HDD format (oh wait, that requires a custom filesystem too unless you want to settle for FAT performance).

  25. I hope people listen to you by coryking · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Turning off UAC on your own computer is one thing (I leave it on, turning it off is like running as root all day). Turning it off on a computer that isn't yours is horrible. You are opening them up to security issues by doing that. Instead you should keep it enabled and train the users what it means when you get a UAC dialog (hint: they shouldn't get any unless the install software). If they are really "clueless", train them to call you before clicking through one so you can make sure they aren't about to hose their machine.

    UAC is a godsend for people who maintain their parents or families computer. My mom calls me all the time with questions like this...