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Judge Rules Fox Has Copyright Claim To Watchmen

fermion writes "According to the NYT, a judge has decided that Fox owns the copyright to Watchmen, not Warner. Is this an example of copyright law becoming so complex that companies can abuse the court system to prevent competition, or just extreme incompetence by Warner? In the current business environment, either explanation is believable. Yet it is unbelievable that seasoned producers would spend hundreds of millions of dollars to create a movie that they can't even release. It seems the judge didn't want to bring this to a jury, and maybe daring Warner to appeal, or Fox to settle." The article says that Fox acquired movie rights to the Watchmen story in the late 1980s, but budget disputes and personnel changes have muddied the waters; Wikipedia has a bit more on the "development hell" which has plagued the film project.

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  1. Well... by ultramk · · Score: 5, Funny

    I guess we have the answer to the question "who watches the Watchmen?"

    Nobody.

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  2. Another Alan Moore IP... by Brad_McBad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... another film that ignores the meaning of the source work in favour of appeasing popcorn fifteen year olds.

    Alan Moore goes about it the wrong way, but he's right. Hollywood needs to start coming up with its own ideas again.

    1. Re:Another Alan Moore IP... by chrisG23 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I know, like the whole time I was watching it I was like wtf? this isnt at all like the graphic nov@#(&$# Wait. I have not seen it. It has not been released. It may not be released now.

      When did Hollywood come up with its own ideas in the past? They were just ripping off fresher ideas (with notable exceptions of course, but the exceptions didn't come from Hollywood, it came from certain individual filmmakers/writers/directors working for Hollywood)

      Hypothetical question. If some artsy filmmaker made a low budget Watchmen movie that was really low budget, Im talking about uses visual symbolism instead of special effects, less than half a million budget, etc etc, that was absolutely in keeping with the spirit and meaning of the source work would you go watch it? Would you watch it over a Hollywooded version that was visually cool?

  3. Re:Too Bad by philspear · · Score: 5, Funny

    there are no directors still living that are capable of capturing what actually makes this work a masterpiece.

    How convenient: Your hypothesis cannot be tested because of copyright law.

  4. Re:Too Bad by philspear · · Score: 5, Informative

    I don't know how you can cram that entire graphic novel into a 2-hour movie.

    Theres no way to keep 100% of it unchanged and uncut, but that's true of any media conversion. Many people seem to consider the original comic book form to be perfect, many of those people are going to be disappointed with the result no matter how good the movie is of it's own right. Some because they read the comics first, some because of a warped sense of elitism. That doesn't mean the movie is doomed to be worse than the comic books to an unbiased judge. It could be changed for the better.

  5. Sorry to flame you but... by Jabbrwokk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I downloaded all of the comics

    And that's why your opinion is irrelevant. Please purchase a trade paperback version, support the creators of the original content, then try again.

    Sorry to be harsh. I did the same thing. But after reading the electronic versions, I understood what all the fuss was about and went and got a paperback version so I could enjoy the writing and admire the artwork without sitting in front of a computer, and also so Moore and Gibbons received whatever royalties they still get from the sales of their original work. They deserve it.

    I imagine someone will release this movie, eventually. Warner will pay off Fox, or hold their nose and come up with some kind of royalties deal. But the funny thing is, after reading the graphic novel three times now, I don't really care if I see the movie or not. I know it will look cool, and the story might even be OK crammed into two-and-a-half hours, but the graphic novel will always be superior because it was never about plot.

    SPOILERS FOLLOW!!!!!!

    The ridiculous ending makes that clear. Even the characters can't believe it actually happens. The book, at its core, is about different kinds of characters and how they cope with the ugly world around them. The character development which happens in the book will never translate well to movie format.

    So, sorry to flame you, but please, if you haven't already, go buy a copy of Watchmen and support the original creators. Otherwise it's like not voting and then complaining about the government. You know, like half of North America does.

  6. As they pointed out... by Landshark17 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As Quint pointed out on Ain't It Cool News, Fox waited till Warner Brother's practically had the film released before they bothered to excercise their copyright on the film, suggesting it might be an attempt to scoop up the cash on a blockbuster they wouldn't have to pay for.

    Full article here: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/39578

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  7. copyright interest != copyright by SuperBanana · · Score: 5, Informative

    Fox might hold an exclusive license to the movie rights to the material, but that's a very different question.

    If you actually bothered to RTFA carefully, you'd see that they have been ruled to have a copyright interest.

    Since you're clearly ignorant on the matter and think "copyright interest" means "copyright" or "exclusive movie rights", try educating yourself instead.

    I know it comes as a shock to all you fifteen year olds, but IP law is simpler than "Cory Doctorow says I can give my stuff away and copyright is bad!"

  8. Re:Too Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The reason 'I-just-made-him-up-man' doesn't generally show up in the box office is simply because there's no anticipated built in audience.

    Even though Hancock was somewhat of a Zzzz movie for me, it managed to make $600m worldwide.. So it's not unprecedented.

    Although, really what it comes down to is that good film ideas don't make it to the surface often in Hollywood. Regardless of the great ideas that may get bandied about on a daily basis, all you have to do is consider that they made _3_ movies in the http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107438/ 'Look who's talking' series.

    _3_

    Sit and think about that for a second.

    _3_.

    __ 3 __

    And yet, we still have yet to see Goonies _2_.

    fuck Hollywood.

    fuck them up their 'Lets bring Michael Knight back' asses.

    They did the Watchmen movie for the simple reason that 'gritty' comic book movies were proven hot by Sin City and 300. Look on IMDB, Sin City 2 is in pre-production and Sin City 3 is in planning. They're already planning "300-2" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1253863/.. Are you kidding me?

    Hollywood finds one single good idea and then spreads it as thin as possible until we are revolted by the idea of _another_ film in the series coming out. Then they find a new idea. Then in 10-20 years it becomes retro and cool again and a new generation of dummies will line up for the rehashed garbage that the latest generation of sub-retarded writers belch out in-between the projects they _really_ care about..