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NZ File-Sharers, Remixers Guilty Upon Accusation

An anonymous reader writes "Next month, New Zealand is scheduled to implement Section 92 of the Copyright Amendment Act. The controversial act provides 'Guilt Upon Accusation,' which means that if a file-sharer is simply accused of copyright infringement he/she will be punished with summary Internet disconnection. Unlike most laws, this one has no appeal process and no punishment for false accusation, because they were removed after public consultation. The ISPs are up in arms and now artists are taking a stand for fair copyright."

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  1. The solution is easy by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just download a phone directory and spam everyone with generated accusations. They would either have to disconnect the whole country or rethink this utter stupidity.

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    1. Re:The solution is easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Why not just spam the members of the legislature with the accusations? After two or three months of near-constant Internet service interruptions to their offices, I'm sure they would get the hint.

    2. Re:The solution is easy by rolfwind · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Then they'll put in a politician's clause - like they always do. Legislators in the US made their political solicitations calls immune to the Can Spam act.

      Even better, catch their spouses and children in the act. Much harder to make the family immune.

    3. Re:The solution is easy by endymion.nz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Before the election last year I wrote to the MPs who ran in my electorate and posted the replies in facebook group forum..

      http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=29834002818&topic=5497

      Would be good to get some feedback from others.

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    4. Re:The solution is easy by Hotawa+Hawk-eye · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Even if there are some legal repercussion, pay an inmate who's already in prison for life or a homeless person to send out a few dozen accusation letters. What are they going to do to the inmate, throw him in jail for even longer than life? As for the homeless person, depending on his situation, spending a short time in jail might be an improvement.

    5. Re:The solution is easy by mikaere · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Did anyone actually see Sione's Wedding? Gods. That film was not damaged by unlawful distribution on the Internet, it was damaged by the fact that it was a terrible film.

      Actually, the problem was that one of the film editors took a copy home and his cousin copied the disk and it was illegally distributed via copies rather than the internet. Either way, Tizard implemented a truly bad law, and for that alone I am glad she got voted out. She had no excuse, she just caved in and gave the content industry what they wanted.

      Anyway, I thought the film was great

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  2. Incompetence By Design by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How is it that the other Anglo-Saxon countries are all WORSE than the US when it comes to digital rights and freedoms? Canada's version of the DMCA is worse, NZ has this, Australia has its wonderful new Great Barrier Firewall planned, and don't even get me started on Britain and encryption. Seriously?

    1. Re:Incompetence By Design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This may be a conspiracy. Really, think about it: they implement different limitations in different countries, either to see which is better (and then implement it in all countries) or later to implement them all (by saying "but they've got something else and they're doing better, let's do what we do now _and_ what they do").

      Flame me... I've got zero arguments to support this theory, but it's the only one that explains what's going on.

    2. Re:Incompetence By Design by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I didn't say the US had good copyright laws--they're god damned awful. But give me the choice between 99 year copyrights, and lawsuits (none of which have exactly been successes for the RIAA, even the one jury verdict they got was on the edge of being tossed out IIRC) and getting my internet permanentally cut off for suspicion of infringement and I'll take the former. Piss poor laws with due process rights over piss poor laws without them any day.

  3. How to disconnect any Kiwi's Internet Connection by CuteSteveJobs · · Score: 5, Interesting

    More proof that politicians pass laws to please their political donors and lobbyists, without understanding their implications. These infringement notices have been shown to be unreliable and easily spoofed.

    http://dmca.cs.washington.edu/
    http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080605-study-paints-grim-picture-of-automated-dmca-notice-accuracy.html
    http://torrentfreak.com/study-reveals-reckless-anti-piracy-antics-080605/
    http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/05/the-inexact-science-behind-dmca-takedown-notices/

    So now any New Zealander can have their internet connection cut if anyone knows their IP address: http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/95089

    So today's Political Enemy of the Internet Award goes to New Zealand's Judith Tizard, who joins Australia's Stephen Conroy and Britains Andy Burnham. I could handle it when all politicians did was rort the system, but this is getting really annoying. I don't recall voting for any of this stuff, and I'll put them last on the ballot next time.

  4. yea...great. by Urza9814 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Reminds me of a couple years ago when I created a myspace music page for 'music' created from 'cat [some file] > /dev/audio'. I uploaded two files, and on the third one, myspace claimed it was copyright and locked the page up. It's _still_ locked up. Years later. Because whatever the hell they use to determine copyright screwed up.

  5. Re:Summary internet disconnection? by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's like these things all get written by some geriatric lawyer who's thinking "Those damn whippersnappers aren't doing anything important on that intarthingy anyway".

    umm.. they're written by lobbyists for the music industry.. an industry of which "geriatric" is a gross understatement. They've failed to keep up with technology and now they're sinking fast. If they could get the Internet banned outright, they would.

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  6. Yes, Actually, it does. by thesupraman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You are missing the subtle half of the plan.

    If the policy implemented by an ISP is found upon later inspection to be too lenient on the 'evil pirates' then the ISP becomes legally responsible for the copyright infringement.

    Then again, if someone gets incorrectly disconnected, I suspect the ISP could at worst be forced to reinstate their connection, IF they can prove this.

    So, the only 'sane' thing an ISP can do is disconnect anyone at the slightest hint of trouble - anything else could result in the blame falling in their lap.

    I bet the ISPs are very happy at providing free policing services to the music/movie industries.. after all, they make SO much more money :/.

  7. What about company internet links? by thesupraman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    An interesting question is what happens if a companies internet link is used to download 'copyrighted material'?

    Surely by this same measure, that companies link will be removed and they will not be allowed to have one? That should make staying in business interesting.

    Should, for example, some foreign 'pirate' decide to share a large quantity of copyright material, log the IPs downloading it, scan for NZ companies static IP addresses, then forward all of that data to the ISPs/Authorities involved it would create quite a problem..

    Could ALL the large companies/govt. dept. in New Zealand guarantee none of their staff will do such a thing?

    That is after all much the same situation as cutting off a families internet connection when their 10 year old discovers music downloading before their parents notice (quite a common occurrence I suspect..).

  8. We're the great fudgers by kaiwai · · Score: 4, Interesting

    yeap, we're the great fudgers - we avoid confrontation, heck, recent study showed that if New Zealand was offered a benevolent dictator and ran things better than now - most would ok it.

    Sure, there will be a few loud people who will kick up a stink, but the rest of NZ will comtinue moving. The anti-smacking bill isn't going to get removed, nor any of the other reforms introduced by Labour. Both parties talk about change but the reality is that they keep the status quo once they get it - then add more of their own laws to the sporgusboard.

    Its unfortunate that the green's are the only part who have their IT sorted out - and yet their economic and social policy royally sucks. How come there are so many idiots on the right - specifically, complete ludites when it comes to IT?

    1. Re:We're the great fudgers by Seriousity · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Too right mate. To my shame, the thought ofttimes occurs to me that as a nation, us Kiwis are the biggest bunch of complacent sheep out there.

      We can tell our fellow New Zealanders about what needs fixing in this country until we're blue in the face, and the majority will say "Nah mate she'll be right" and keep drinking tui and worshipping the All Blacks.

      I saw Richard Stallman's copyright vs community speech at the Otago University, and a speaker from the Greens party did the introduction - she made it quite clear that her party was genuinely more concerned about the rest about IT issues; however she mixed tripe about intellectual property and indigenous rights into her speech, which made her look like a silly fool who had no idea what she was talking about, and was trying to make copyright a pulpit for her crappy social policies. Stallman was making faces of agony behind her, and she seemed to have a hard time trying to figure out what we were all laughing about.

      Needless to say, the first thing RMS did after her speech was debunk 90% of it.
      /rant

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  9. Out of government reach? by Epsillon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I can't help thinking there's a larger issue at play here. It seems that governments the world over have suddenly realised that we were serious about a space beyond government control and are taking steps to "rectify" this and using the likes of the MPAA/RIAA as their diversion. I wonder if the various industry associations know they're being used? Let's look at what we've got so far:

    • Filesharing being rapidly beaten down by oppressive and draconian laws
    • Filtering and censorship akin to that of China's great firewall in supposedly "free" countries
    • Wiretaps, supposedly illegal, being inserted into ISPs and backbone nodes
    • Encryption becoming dangerous by dint of the UK's stupid RIPA which will throw you in prison if you can't decrypt something for the police

    And that's just off the top of my head. Are the governments becoming threatened by the Internet's open architechture? More to the point, how far are they going to go to destroy it before we decide enough is enough? The biggest problem for them, as I see it, is that the Internet, with millions of people in open and free contact, has the power to keep them honest. They don't seem to like that, do they?

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  10. Reverse prosecution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    If you are guilty upon association for file sharing then...

    Share only CC licensed works and when the ISP cuts you off sue them and the government for rights infringement for preventing you from sharing Creative Commons works.

    Also use P2P for FLOSS sharing and again sue them if the cut you off.

  11. Re:The solution by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The real useful function of the labels was traditionally separating the hits from the duds. They weren't perfect at it, of course, but that was their job. They seem to have forgotten their job function, however, and instead chase trends ("hey this singer is hot, let's sign a dozen more like her!"), interfere with the artists ("we think your song would be more marketable if...."), and generally just try to get away with ripping off as many people as possible ("pay for play" musician law, "losing" the addresses of well known artists so as to be unable to forward on payments, P2P lawsuits, etc).

    One of the things I like about Amie Street is that the users take on the label's job. Songs start out as free and rise in price to a maximum of 98 cents as people buy them. So if you buy a 98 cent song, you're guaranteed to have something that many people like. Otherwise, you could buy a free/very-low-cost song, taking a risk that it is as good as the song preview makes it out to be, and not risk much money. With the $15 that you might use to buy one 12-song CD, you could buy 15 hits and 6 nickel-priced possible hits. 21 songs versus 12 songs and that's not even counting free songs you could take a chance on.

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  12. Well Damn it! by Wellington+Grey · · Score: 2, Interesting

    New Zealand was on the top of my non-crazy countries to move to list (here - NSFW, maybe) in nine months. Any other suggestions out there?

  13. Greens are the only party with a conscience. by refactored · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Let's face it, there is only one party left in NZ with any conscience. That's the Greens.

    Most (non-troll) slashdotters would be quite in agreement with all the Greens 'net policies and get a comfortable feeling that these guys actually understand and like the 'net.

    The Main Stream Media tries damn hard to portray the Greens as dope smoking hippy nutters, but thats because they're the only party in parliament not deep in the pockets of big business.

    If you actually look closely, the Greens are the only ones that give a shit about the environment, freedom, the poor and little guy. The rest of them only care about campaign funds, and a recursive frenzy between the media irrelavent sensationalized "human interest" stories and the politicians saying whatever ill-thought out thing that will make them look good on TV. Law and Order is a favourite.

    1. Re:Greens are the only party with a conscience. by refactored · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Gerry Brownlee? Is that you?

      Environment - they may mean well, but their lack of scientific knowledge about the environment leads them to support all kinds of ideas that sound good on the surface, but would in fact be detrimental to the environment. e.g. their endorsement of biofuels.

      Still gullibly eating MSM sound bites?

      This tragic little Energy (Fuels, Levies, and References) Biofuel Obligation Repeal Bill, rushed through all its stages under urgency by a Minister of Energy and Resources who is ignorant of most aspects of his portfolio--apart from perhaps sexy coal--will do exactly the opposite of what the Minister says it will do. It will replace the potentially sustainable local industry--stable, secure and well known--with intermittent imports of biofuels from unknown sources, which are likely to include palm oil from South-east Asia grown where the tropical forests, the last refuge of the orang-utan, used to grow, and corn ethanol with a higher carbon footprint than petroleum, subsidised by the US Government. That is what this bill will do

      Looks like she's done her homework to me.

      Freedom - Uhhhhh.... do you know anything about the greens at all?

      Green MP Keith Locke is calling for an inquiry into the Police Special Investigation Group following evidence it is planting paid informants in legitimate protest groups.

      This morning the Sunday Star-Times carried details of activities of a Police informer who infiltrated and spied upon Greenpeace and groups active on animal rights, climate change and peace issues. The informer was operating under the instructions of the Police Special Investigation Group.

      "Such Stasi tactics are unacceptable in New Zealand," said Mr Locke, the party's Police spokesperson.

      "Peace and environmental protesters are the conscience of society, not enemies of the state.

      I know it is very hard for you to digest more than a sound bite, but try actually read the whole of Gordon Campbell's analysis of the Zaoui case. Oh yes, Campbell is the Green's media rep. Oh yes, What is the difference between myself and Zaoui? I have a letter of recommendation from a police force that murdered thousands and Zaoui is a democratically elected representative. Guess who the Labour (and certainly the National) parties imprisoned?

      NZ has one of the highest prison populations on the planet (tiny compared to Gulag America I know), but which parties want to build more prisons?

      Opposing better education for a small elite, yes they oppose that bitterly.

      Good. They support better education for all, personally this policy will help my kids quite a bit.