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Call For Grant Proposals In Perl Development

On Elpeleg writes "The Perl Foundation is giving out grants for Perl development ranging from $500 to $3,000 in February 2009. You neither need to have a large, complex, or lengthy project nor be a Perl master or guru. You are encouraged to submit a proposal if you have a good idea and the means and ability to accomplish your Perl project. The deadline for proposal submissions is January 31, 2009."

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  1. Rules and Regulations by schmidt349 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Your proposal must be submitted in the form of a self-aware regular expression with at least 200 backreferences.

  2. Re:That isn't enough $$$ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    I make over 120K a year programming in Perl.

  3. Wishlist by coryking · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1) Better tools... improve EPIC. Perl lacks a good IDE.
    2) Get perl running on IIS using ISAPI (basically, mod_perl for IIS).
    3) Either finish Perl6 or give up. Nobody cares about the CLR thing, give us Perl6 the language. The delay in shipping Perl6 is killing the language.
    4) ????
    5) Create a branch in CPAN called Ponies::*. There are many libraries for ponies such as Ponies::Little or Ponies::Fast.

    1. Re:Wishlist by ImustDIE · · Score: 4, Informative

      1) Better tools... improve EPIC. Perl lacks a good IDE.

      Activestate's Komodo is a pretty decent IDE.

    2. Re:Wishlist by bcrowell · · Score: 4, Informative

      The delay in shipping Perl6 is killing the language.

      Perl is dead, Netcraft confirms it.

      But seriously, why does it make perl any less viable a language if a production-quality perl 6 takes a long time? Perl 5 continues to be lovingly maintained. Perl 6 will be able to run perl 5 modules in compatibility mode. Perl 6 is already out, and if you want to use it, you can; it's just not yet up to the same very high standards of quality and performance as perl 5.

    3. Re:Wishlist by somenickname · · Score: 4, Funny

      1) Better tools... improve EPIC. Perl lacks a good IDE.

      Why would you need an IDE to write a single line of code?

    4. Re:Wishlist by asackett · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My Perl IDE is called XEmacs. Perhaps you've heard of it?

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    5. Re:Wishlist by NickFortune · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It boggles the mind that I have to go through this nonsense to store an array in an array. Guess what I have to do in order to store an array in an array in ruby...

      Would it be something like this?

      ruby -e '

      foo=Array.new
      foo[1]=Array.new
      foo[1][2] = 3 '

      or rather, guess what I don't have to do in order to store an array in an array in ruby

      Something like this?

      perl -e '$foo[1][2] = 3'

      Perhaps it would help if you said which nonsense, specifically, struck you as being onerous?

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  4. Proposal requirements by NewbieProgrammerMan · · Score: 4, Funny

    You neither need to have a large, complex, or lengthy project nor be a Perl master or guru.

    You do, however, have to be able to fit it all on one line.

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  5. Re:That isn't enough $$$ by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Six figure salaries for a programmer is a sign of doom for the language. Nobody else is willing to do your job because the rest of the world has moved on. If only I could have my days as a $35/hr. VB 6.0 programmer back.

  6. I thought it meant you lived in NY/California? by BerntB · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Some places DO seem to pay that kind of money. Or the GP lied. Or the really is good (the Perl world has some really smart and interesting people).

    The real problem for Perl is the bad hype, which your tro... hrm, guessing without facts, is a typical example of.

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  7. Finish Perl 6 or give up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The delay in releasing Perl 6 ( shut up with the idiot mantra, "It'll be ready when it's ready" ) has done more to kill off the language than any other factor.

    New scripters have taken up Python or Ruby. Old timers have got frustrated at the philosophical debate about what it means to 'release' a language. Some of the people involved with the project appear to be having a bit of a laugh at the expense of the coders who have been using the language. No goals, no milestones. Some airy fairy notion that it will never be complete. The PR job alone has been a total disaster.

    It would have been better not to mention Perl 6 until it was ready - haven't you Perl people learnt the lesson about announcing the next product before it is ready for sale and while you still have the old product to shift?

    If a stable version of Perl 6 is not released in 2009 then Perl will be left dead in the water. That may already have been the case for some time.

  8. Re:Just finish Perl6 fer kreissakes by ChrisDolan · · Score: 3, Informative

    The primary reason for the longevity of the Perl 6 development effort is shortage of volunteers. To put it harshly, people like you spend their energy complaining instead of helping.

    The money is most certainly well-spent on both Perl 5 and Perl 6. I was a Perl Foundation grant recipient to work on Perl::Critic, a static analysis tool and code quality aid. My contributions are making a positive influence to help with the readability, maintainability and portability of large Perl 5 codebases. (read TFA and you'll see my name mentioned) Perl::Critic is being actively used in improving the Parrot codebase.

    What have you done to help?

  9. Re:Just finish Perl6 fer kreissakes by cervo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Passing tests is something, but does not in itself equate to completeness.

    Look at http://www.perlfoundation.org/perl6/index.cgi?development_dashboard that seems to have some goals. But still "Language Definition" is on the todo list. And "Language Definition" seems a pretty big item to me, as changes in that can change the tests. Not only that, would you write a bunch of code in a language knowing that at any moment it could be invalidated by a few small tweaks? I wouldn't, not production code at least.

    They have some other things like the command line (deciding what it is, then implementing it), deciding what the installation package is, etc.. But still until the language design is frozen, you will never be done. And if a major change is made that results totally rebuilding the architecture you could end up throwing a lot of work away.

    This todo list seems more like a brainstorm. Really what is needed is someone like Larry Wall to finish his documentation, then someone to write tests based on the Perl 6 language design (In Perl 6) and then passing those tests can become a chart to Perl 6. Although there will still be issues such as installation package, converting modules in CPAN and getting it working with Perl6, etc... But the most important thing is to get the language down. Then people will start playing with it to get a jump on learning Perl 6. And once the language is finalized it can start to be used in some corporate settings as a piece of beta software.

    Most likely the real Perl 6 revolution won't come until CPAN (or some other entity like it) is made for Perl 6 and has some of the more useful modules (like DBI among others). Right now a large part of Perl's value is CPAN and the various modules available. That is another project that cannot even really fully start until after the language is finalized.