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Saving Journalism With Flash and Java

An anonymous reader writes "New York magazine has a story about some of the flashy new ideas that are coming out of the labs of the New York Times. The piece prompted Peter Wayner to dig up some of the old Java applets he wrote to explore whether more promiscuity really stops AIDS and whether baseball can do anything to speed up the games. He notes that these took a great deal of work to produce and it's not possible to do them on a daily basis. Furthermore, they're cranky and fragile, perhaps thanks to Java. Are cool, interactive features the future of journalism on the web? Or will simple ASCII text continue to be the most efficient way for us to mingle our thoughts, especially when ASCII text won't generate a classloading error?"

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  1. Flash is evil... by smooth+wombat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    and must die!

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  2. Right answer, Wrong question. by Jahf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Display Applications are for web sites.

    Research applications are for research.

    Content is for journalism.

    Journalism receives data from research.

    Journalism provides raw materials to the web.

    The web presents them to us.

    IT and developers create that web and hence its doodads.

    Journalists (and other creators) then populate that web and doodad with content. ...

    The point being: No, java / flash / doodads won't save journalism. And journalism isn't dying. It still exists but has a WEALTH of new contributors, which leaves demand for the few highly trained contributors low enough that many are leaving the field. Yet we still get our news.

    I don't like doodads. When I want news I want content. Not buttons. Not animations (unless they are truly pertinent).

    Journalists that create doodads are trying to salvage their career by doing something that is not PART of their career. Just like Developers who try to create content.

    So ... long answer given the short answer is: No, doodads won't save journalism. But journalism is evolving, not dying.

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  3. Call me old fashioned... by A.+B3ttik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...but I really prefer my news to be reported in text and pictures. The occasional Flash apps that BBC sometimes uses to explore stories feel slow and clunky. Information osmosis time is limited to the speed and pace of the program, whereas reading a text article is limited only by the user's ability to scan through it, which can be done at their leisure.

    I feel like I am in the majority when I say that most of my news-reading comes during work during the few minutes I get every hour or so when waiting on something (like a compile). I don't really have the time to tinker around with a simulation exploring the possibilities. And even if I did, my patience will likely wear thin unless the simulation is either really exciting (not the case in the article) or something I'm really interested in (also not the case in the article).

    Yes, it's kinda cool. But changing the face of modern journalism? I think not.

  4. Cranky and fragile, due to Java? by Teckla · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Dear Java Hating Slashdot Editors,

    Java is not responsible for "generating class loader errors", any more than Perl is responsible for all the HTML errors on the Slashdot front page.

    Here's the link to the W3C HTML Validator, go get yourself a clue.

    1. Re:Cranky and fragile, due to Java? by SpuriousLogic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No offense, but your knowledge is dated. This old Java applet bugaboo has been hanging around just as long as the "Java is slow" urban myth. The truth is that applets arrived in a period of time when there were NO rich internet application and were far head of their time. There are tons of applets out there today that are fast, robust and useful. Also I'm not sure why you think Java has not been adopted by industry - it is the #1 language used in corporate environments, hands down. No language has ever had a more popular usage in industry.

  5. Journalism suffers by greg_barton · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Furthermore, they're cranky and fragile, perhaps thanks to Java.

    Perhaps journalism is suffering because unsubstantiated lies are repeated so often people think they're true.

  6. Enough Java Bashing by curmudgeon99 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why is it that any bozo coder who himself codes mistakes into his apps, is then hot and ready to blame the language? Dude, Java does not write itself. If you wrote it in a fragile way, then it is your fault--not the language. All that said, I'm delighted to see the NYTimes trying new things.

  7. Re:Wrong question. by ZombieRoboNinja · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Investigative journalism will certainly still be a "needed skill" and "useful to society" if all the papers die. That's the whole issue. See, right now, those papers and magazines provide most of the infrastructure and career opportunities for journalists. Want to be the next Woodward? Well, you go to journalism school, then get a job at whatever paper will take you and (hopefully) work your way up to the NY Times or whatever prestigious news organization.

    You need print media, and not just a few "elite" papers but a whole bunch of options, if you want journalism to remain even a semi-viable choice of profession for smart and motivated individuals. (And "semi-viable" is generous; most of the journalists I know are lucky to stay above the poverty line.)

  8. Re:Can technology aid journalism? by Hatta · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Consumers also want text. I can read 5 articles in the time it takes to watch one. But if you don't provide text I won't come at all.

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  9. Re:Short answer: by lysergic.acid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    what difference does it make whether you have a constant internet connection or not? if you're going to download RSS feeds from the internet onto your gadget, you could do the same with a Java applet or Flash. it's not like streaming video where you need an internet connection to view it.

    they're just another form of digital multimedia. and just like photos, not every article needs them, but when it's appropriate they can add a lot to the article. i mean, why hold back when the technology is available, costs nothing, and is easy to use? if there's a story on a new space mission, why not let readers see the accompanying photos or video footage?

    this isn't the 90's. we're living in an age now when almost everyone has a cellphone or some other sort of portable device with storage capacity measured in gigabytes and capable of displaying rich multimedia like images/video and play CD-quality audio. so if you're writing a game review, why not include a video clip of the gameplay? if necessary, content publishers can use a format (like MIME) that degrades gracefully. if your device can't play video, it'll just show the images and rich text--or just plain text.

    images will probably still be the most common type of media accompanying news stories, but there's no reason for us to arbitrarily limit ourselves to text and images. it's not going to "save" journalism (because there's nothing to be saved), but it would be cool to read a story about a new space vehicle and be able to view a rotatable 3D model of the vehicle.