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Visualizing Complex Data Sets?

markmcb writes "A year ago my company began using SAP as its ERP system, and there is still a great deal of focus on cleaning up the 'master data' that ultimately drives everything the system does. The issue we face is that the master data set is gigantic and not easy to wrap one's mind around. As powerful as SAP is, I find it does little to aid with useful visualization of data. I recently employed a custom solution using Ruby and Graphviz to help build graphs of master data flow from manual extracts, but I'm wondering what other people are doing to get similar results. Have you found good out-of-the-box solutions in things like data warehouses, or is this just one of those situations where customization has to fill a gap?"

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  1. perhaps worth looking at? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
    Portraits of complex networks

    Abstract: We propose a method for characterizing large complex networks by introducing a new matrix structure, unique for a given network, which encodes structural information; provides useful visualization, even for very large networks; and allows for rigorous statistical comparison between networks. Dynamic processes such as percolation can be visualized using animations. Applications to graph theory are discussed, as are generalizations to weighted networks, real-world network similarity testing, and applicability to the graph isomorphism problem.

    1. Re:perhaps worth looking at? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you think that's worth looking at... how about this? http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=1121

  2. Great source of data visualization inspiration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    http://visualcomplexity.com

    Have fun!

  3. I have a question for you by zappepcs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How are you supposed to handle the data if you do not understand it? Sure, there can be too much to see/think about at one time, but if you don't understand it, how can you visualize it usefully?

    I am asking because I have a problem: Where I work, I understand the data and I make efforts to visualize it for others. The trouble starts when they don't understand the data and it's sources and limitations, so what they see in my visualization is all they know of it, and they make assumptions about it. I've even had people worry that the network is down because there were holes in the collected data which then showed up in the visualizations.

    If anyone has some good URLs for such thinking, I'd be grateful.

    I simply do not understand how you can visualize data for people if you yourself do not understand it.

    1. Re:I have a question for you by TapeCutter · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sorry but I think the GP is spot on.

      What you are doing in your post is investigating the data until you UNDERSTAND what is usefull and then presenting (visualising) it for you're boss, who probably adds another layer of "visualization" for his boss, etc. (ie: You are acting as human visualisation tool that the boss can use to visualise the output of silicon visualisation tools)

      To scale up you're simple X/Y plot of two variables to corporate size you propose using a visualization tool that UNDERSTANDS database structures and UNDERSTANDS the fact that to plot strings against integers you need a default transform, etc, etc. You are handed a bunch of DB's with hundereds of tables, thousands of columns and countless transaction transforms ferrying data from one DB to the other.

      So you start with all possible pairs to see if there is a nice easy curve that can relate them. You get 10,000 statistically significant relationships - the problem posed in TFS is how do you now visualize all those graphs to find the relevant relationships without UNDERSTANDING the data.

      As to TFS, visualization relies on data minning which will never be "solved" because given enough data you can always add one more level of UNDERSTANDING (see: Godel). This is not to say that trying to solve it is pointless. On the contrary, google news is excellent and accessible example of how far things have progressed in the last couple of decades.

      Simply presenting multiple known facts/relationships in an easily accessible format takes a deep UNDERSTANDING of the data. Even if you do UNDERSTAND the facts/relationships, creating the format is an art that has few masters.

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  4. R language by QuietLagoon · · Score: 4, Informative

    There was a thread about the R language a couple of weeks ago. Look it up and read it....

    1. Re:R language by koutbo6 · · Score: 5, Informative

      I second that. If you are visualizing graphs be sure to get the igraph package which can be used with R, Python, C, or Ruby.
      http://cneurocvs.rmki.kfki.hu/igraph/
      Processing is another package that is geared towards data visualization which java developers might find easier use
      http://www.processing.org/

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  5. Try the InfoVis community by Mithrandir · · Score: 5, Informative

    The infovis community has been dealing with these subjects for years. There's many different visualisation techniques around. Here's a list of the past conferences and the papers:

    http://conferences.computer.org/Infovis/

    Plenty of good products out there, but the one that I like most is from Tableau Software (http://www.tableausoftware.com/).

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  6. Am I missing something or... by Shados · · Score: 4, Informative

    Wouldn't any everyday cube browser along with any tool to detect base dimentions in a datawarehouse schema do the trick? You may have to add a few custom dimentions on your own depending on how shitty the master data is (I don't think that can be helped, no matter the solution, if a dimention is "these two fields multiplied together times a magic number appended to the value of another table", you need to know, no tool will guess), but aside that?

    Thats usually what I do anyway. I dump my data in a datawarehouse, use whatever built in wizard can auto-generate dimensions, then play with them in a cube browser. Works for even pretty archaic home-made multi-thousand-tables-without-normalization ERP systems I had to work with in the past anyhow.

  7. Business Intelligence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Your ERP isn't supposed to directly analyze the data. You're supposed to use a Business Intelligence software package for that. This being SAP, I believe they'll try to sell you Hyperion.

  8. Traditionally... by FurtiveGlancer · · Score: 3, Funny

    Large, highly complex data sets are best described on the back of four cocktail napkins or on a fixed white board in a shared conference room. ~

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  9. Cytoscape by adamkennedy · · Score: 4, Informative

    I had a similar situation to yours recently, except I was trying to detangle a horridly complex product substitution graph for a logistics company.

    I used a bunch of Perl to crunch the raw databases into various abstract graph structures, but instead of graphviz or something created by/for developers, I found that the best software for graph visualisation is the stuff that the genetics and bio people use.

    The standout for me was a program called Cytoscape which can import enormous graph datasets and then gives you literally dozens of different automated layout algorithms to play with (most of which I'd never heard of, but it's easy to just go through them one at a time till something works)

    It's got lots of plugins for talking to genetics databases and such, but if you ignore all that and use Perl/Ruby/whatever for the data production part of the problem, it's a great way to visualise it.