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Scientists Teleport Information Between Ions a Meter Apart

erickhill writes with word that scientists from the University of Maryland have successfully transferred information from one charged atom to another without having it cross the intervening space of about one meter. The academic paper is available in the journal Science, though it requires a subscription to see more than the abstract. Scientists have previously teleported unmolested qubits between photons of light, and between photons and clouds of atoms. But researchers have long sought to teleport qubits between distant atoms. Light's high speed of travel makes photons good transporters of information, but for storing quantum information, atoms are a much better choice because they're easier to hold on to. 'This is a big deal,' comments Myungshik Kim, a quantum physicist at Queen's University Belfast in the United Kingdom. 'To store information as it is in quantum form, you have to have a teleportation scheme available between two stationary qubits. Then you can store them and manipulate them later on.'"

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  1. Scientists Teleport Information Between Ions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Are they positive?

  2. Unmolested? by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 5, Funny

    Scientists have previously teleported unmolested qubits....

    Qubit molester insists entanglement was consensual, stay tuned for details at 11.

    1. Re:Unmolested? by jd · · Score: 5, Funny

      In breaking news, the molester has been ordered to both sign and not sign the Atomic Sexual Deviancy Register at the same time.

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    2. Re:Unmolested? by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 5, Funny

      Unfortunately, as the molester was observed complying with these requirements, it was determined that the molester only completed one of them.

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    3. Re:Unmolested? by Terminal+Saint · · Score: 4, Funny

      Police efforts to detain the molester for questioning have been hindered by the fact that, despite knowing the molester's exact speed, his location can not be ascertained.

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  3. Sounds neat, but I'm confused... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Interesting

    All sources regarding quantum entanglement/teleportation are quite adamant that you can't use it to actually send information instantaneously. Despite there being "spooky action at a distance", any discernible information had to be transfered when you separated the photons themselves at sub-light speeds. In this case it would be atoms, but I assume it still applies? The article lists applications as super-fast quantum computers (I guess any functional quantum computer could be considered fast at what it does) and quantum encryption (a real application I've heard applied to quantum teleportation, though the encrypted data itself still has to travel at c or less).

    So, am I right, and this is basically the same ol' non-instant-communication but still quite cool kinda teleportation, only using atoms instead of photons? I'm just checking.

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    1. Re:Sounds neat, but I'm confused... by Normal_Deviate · · Score: 3, Interesting

      As I understand, the essence of teleportation is that collapsing the wavefunction of the first particle (by measuring it) instantly collapses the wavefunction of the second particle. What I don't understand is why this does not represent transmission of the information that the first particle has been measured. Is it not possible to test whether the second particle's wavefunction has been collapsed by, say, sending it through slits?

    2. Re:Sounds neat, but I'm confused... by sarkeizen · · Score: 3, Informative

      "teleportation" always seems to lead people to the wrong conclusions. This is about transferring the informational content of a qubit. Which you can't perfectly represent with a classical system. I can see how this as the one commenting physicist claims is a "big deal" when it comes to building quantum computers. But it's not about instantaneous matter transport or superluminal communication.

      I'm not sure what the article meant by ultra secure "quantum communication". Quantum teleportation *is* a quantum communication *channel* but it's unclear what kind of security they are talking about. Perhaps "Quantum Encryption" but that's another term that often sends people down the wrong track.

    3. Re:Sounds neat, but I'm confused... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
      If you send a single particle through a slit, you'll get a single spot. If you send many particles through slits, you'll get many spots, just as if you hadn't used entanglement -- they'll be all over the place. Either way, you won't know whether the wavefunction was collapsed by your observation or prior to it by the collapse of an entangled particle's waveform.

      Say particles A and B are entangled, and you are in a position to observe B, but not A. You have no way to know whether A has already been observed, because B will look the same to you either way, unless you already know the state of A.

    4. Re:Sounds neat, but I'm confused... by v1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      you have both a black and red marble and you send one around the world, well when one guy checks and sees that his marble is red, the other guy instantly knows that his marble is black.

      More to the point, the other guy can find out his marble is black, but only if you communicate to him that your marble was red. Thus information was transferred, but you have to communicate by other means to make it meaningful, which defeats the purpose. It's like sending someone an encrypted message over an insecure channel. Great until you realize you now have to send him the key over the same channel. Sure it's encrypted, but the means of making it useful renders it ineffective.

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    5. Re:Sounds neat, but I'm confused... by MoellerPlesset2 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Okay, can you clarify for me why exactly you can't? Is it because you can't actually control what state the measured atom, and thus the distant atom, will take?

      Sure, I'll try: A quantum 'entangled' state means that two systems are in an 'undefined' state in the quantum sense, that are interdependent.
      When one is measured, the other one will _instantanously_ adopt whatever state is 'required' to complement the other one. So one 'knows' instantly what the other is doing, so to speak. Which means a sort of information has been transferred at FTL speed.

      The reason why this can't actually be used for communication is twofold: One is exactly as you said: Because you can't know which state you'll measure, you can't transfer information through that alone. The second reason is that, an entanglement between two systems occurs only if there's an (unmeasured) interaction between them.

      That means you either separate the two systems from each other (as in the classic example of entangled photons moving apart), or as in this case, by letting them interact with photons - that travel at light speed. Either way though, light speed is the best you can do.

    6. Re:Sounds neat, but I'm confused... by mhall119 · · Score: 4, Informative

      You can't determine if a particle is in a super-position or not, because any measurement of it will instantly collapse the waveform on both particles, and if you collapse yours first you will be unable to receive the information being transmitted by the other. You will need to know that the other entangled particle has already been collapsed, before you read yours, and that information still has to get to you by a conventional method.

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    7. Re:Sounds neat, but I'm confused... by TapeCutter · · Score: 5, Funny

      "You could send something as simple as a yes/no - yes, I've read your message , or no, I haven't. [snip] Someone who understands it better, correct me and be more clear, please."

      Analogy:
      I have two basket balls, one has a cat inside - I don't know which one.
      I send one basket ball to you.
      I open my basket ball (observation).
      I find it empty so I can deduce the cat is in yours (no information is transfered to you).
      I cannot tell if you have opened yours and observed the cat as dead or alive.
      You open yours and find a dead cat (observation).
      Information is transfered in the normal manner when you call me up and ask why I sent you a dead cat in a basketball.

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    8. Re:Sounds neat, but I'm confused... by grumbel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The way I understand it:

      * you generate two entangled quantum things
      * you move them apart
      * you look at one of them and figure out its state, by that you knock it out of the superposition
      * magic happens and the (inverse of that) state is transported to the other thing
      * you look at the other thing an confirm that the state is as expected

      Since the stuff is in superposition you shouldn't be able to tell its state beforehand, but due to looking at the other thing an teleportation you can. The other thing has the inverse state thing since they must obey conservation of angular momentum (i.e. one spins up, then the other spins down).

      Now what I don't get is why this involves any 'teleportation' or quantum weirdness at all. Analog experiment:

      * you have two boxes
      * you put into one of those boxes a ball at random
      * you move them apart
      * you look into your box and can now tell if a ball is in the other box or not
      * no magic necessary, no teleportation happens, since the state of both boxes is fixed from the start

      I don't get why this teleportation thing is anything special, since as far as I understand it, its completly normal and matches exactly what you would expect.

    9. Re:Sounds neat, but I'm confused... by sfazzio · · Score: 4, Informative

      A completely valid arguement-- until 1964:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell's_theorem

  4. Bah! by GaryOlson · · Score: 5, Funny

    My mother always knew what I had done without anyone telling her. Or whatever I was going to do before I took action. I hear other mothers have the same ability. Therefore, all mothers must exist in some state of constant quantum communication with each other.

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  5. Re:A quantum physicist? by ozphx · · Score: 4, Funny

    You mean a qubit molester?

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  6. Mod patent up. by Hurricane78 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yeah. I will try to give a simplified explanation to non-experts (I'm just a curious guy myself):

    First you entangle two particles. Then you let one travel somewhere. (If at bumps into another particle on that way, the particle loses the entanglement.)
    Now if you "measure" the first particle, the "wavefunction" (the entanglement) of both particles collapses in a specific way.

    By measuring that traveled particle, you can get the information on how the other particle got manipulated when it lost the entanglement.
    The nice thing about this is, that it is instantly. There is no measurable delay.

    So you could theoretically entangle a ton of material with another ton of material, and then send the first ton up to some remote planet. (Which of course would take very long. But you could send it at very high speeds which no human could survive too. For example by using a rocket that uses nuclear explosions as propulsion.)
    Say you have defined, that you can use 0.5 kg of material every year for each side, and split the ton in such "blocks". Then you just write the outgoing 0.5 kg block (you collapse the entanglement) over the year, and read the incoming 0.5 kg block at the end of every year. By using a special encoding, you can detect where the data ends, and where the data collapsed trough your measurement. Or you just pipeline the to-be-written data on both sides, and read at the end of every month, week, day, hour, minute, second... whatever is most reasonable. (Making it a buffered transfer of blocks.)

    This would give you a thousand years of infinite-speed (depending on your read rate) communication with the bandwidth of 0.5 kg of material per year (~1,37 g per day). (The amount of bits depends on the material.)

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    1. Re:Mod patent up. by EdZ · · Score: 4, Informative

      Oh, if it were that easy. When you collapse the wave function my measuring one 'end' of your hypothetical particle-block, you: have NO WAY of influencing HOW it collapses, and thus cannot send any information to the other 'end'. You cannot determine what spin you will observe, only that the opposite spin will be observed on the other particle.

    2. Re:Mod patent up. by tylerni7 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't think that is how it works (although IANAP)

      If you check to see if a block you have is collapsed, then suddenly it becomes collapsed, even if it wasn't before. That means you can't tell what it was supposed to look like before.

      The other option is to only look at the entangled matter after you are sure it has collapsed, and see how the collapsing happened. However, this is also impossible. The way the qbits collapse is completely random, so you can't get any useful information out of reading them.

      The best way to think about it is you have two coins taped to each other head to tail or something.
      Then the coins are flipped, and separated without looking at them. Then take these coins to opposite ends of the universe.
      Now, as soon as one coin is observed, the value of the other coin is known as well. However, looking at either coin does not help to relay information. The only way to do that would be to know how the coin was going to land before looking at it. Or to be able to somehow observe the coin and know if the other has been observed.

    3. Re:Mod patent up. by Chandon+Seldon · · Score: 3, Informative

      Unfortunately, you can't do either of the things you want to do. Relativity says you can't have synchronized clocks and quantum mechanics doesn't give you any way to know when/if the wave was collapsed.

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  7. Damn... by fenix849 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ok, who voted for the beammeupscotty tag?

    I can't think of a worse place to be beamed, than 'up scotty'.

  8. Re:Sounds neat, but parent needs a MOD UP by getuid() · · Score: 5, Informative

    Is there any way to know that measurement has taken place at the other end and your local qubit has collapsed?

    Crash course in quantum mechanics, perhaps this explains it: a binary quantum mechanical system is in a linear superposition of states A and B. That is, it is either 100% A, or 100% B, or anything in between; for example 70% A and 30% B.

    Now if you measure, you would only get "pure" results, i.e. purely A or purely B. If the system was pure (i.e. 100% B) before the measurement, you get what it was. If the system was mixed (say, 70-30), and you had the chance to measure the system more than once, then you get A in 70% of the cases, or B in 30%. For example: make 1000 copies of the system, and measure each of them. Roughly 700 (give/take a few) would be A, roughly 300 would be B.

    The biggest problem is that you don't have 1000 exact copies -- unlike with classical information, basic QM forbids cloning of a system. So you basically have one shot, and if you happen to measure B, you'll never know whether it was because of a 100% pure B state, or simply because you "got lucky".

    I mean, I know the answer is you can't communicate instantly, I'm just figuring out why (mostly to help explain to people with roughly my same layman's understanding of physics why instant communication is impossible).

    While the "quantum information" is being transfered instantaneously, the problem is that the quantum state is not transfered 1:1 onto the target. It is ... "twisted". Imagine that like x*A+y*B (-> teleport ->) y*A+x*B. Now you know that the numbers x and y mean the same in both systems -- you just don't know exactly how they would be twisted after the teleportation. There are 4 possibilities how they can be twisted, and all 4 are equally probable, there's nothing you can do to favor the one over the other.

    However, after the teleportation, the guy at the source can tell how they have been twisted (because the teleportation act itself is a measurement, which's result tells him exactly what happened), but the guy at the target does not.

    So at first, even if the guy at the target knows that the atom has been "teleported", he stil doesn't know which one of the 4 twisted flavors of the original atom he got. If he just takes a "wild guess" and tries to measure, he'll get a statistical result which reveals absolutely no information about the actual coefficients.

    The target-guy needs the source-guy to tell him which of the 4 twists occured, or in short: needs an information transfer in order to be able to "untwist" his atom and have an exact copy.

    Again, the important part is that if the target-guy does not "untwist" his atom, but instead decides to go away and measure it anyway, he'll have an overall chance of 50-50 (regardless of the original x and y) to measure either A or B, so there's no information whatsoever that he could gain, not even from repeating the experiment.

    It's the "twist" that makes the twist with teleportation... :-)

  9. Good as far as it goes by Giant+Electronic+Bra · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's an illustration of the non-tranmission of information via entanglement.

    Suppose we have a pair of 'magic coins'. Either coin can be flipped and come up either heads or tails, and the other coin will always come up the opposite.

    Now, suppose 2 people meet in New York and agree that they will meet again in Oslo if Amy's coin comes up heads and Bill's coin comes up tails, or they will meet in Sidney if Bill's coin comes up heads and Amy's coin comes up tails. Then Amy goes to Peking and flips her coin. It comes up heads, so she meets Bill in Oslo.

    The information, which city they will meet in, was AGREED ON BEFORE HAND, it wasn't 'transmitted' by the flip of the coins. The information was in Amy's head when she went to Peking, it traveled by a classical channel governed by relativistic limitations.

    This can be seen explicitly if you assume that Amy and Bill DIDN'T agree on which face of the coins meant Oslo or Sidney. In that case when Bill and Amy flip their coins they DO know that their opposite number's coin came up the other way, but neither of them knows which city to go to! In other words, no information was conveyed between them BY the flip of the coins.

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  10. Yeah, Bells's theorem... by gr8_phk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Bell's theorem (which is a logical argument) and common sense (which we base logical arguments upon) are at odds. So the physicists side with "spooky action at a distance" because it's more phun. They've been taking the "magic" path ever since Einstein and relativity came along and said reality is unintuitive (which it is, but it follows from his assumptions which were based on observation). Witness "dark matter" and "dark energy" and "string theory".

    Back to the topic at hand, no one can explain what is different about a particle whose wave function has "collapsed" and one that hasn't. If you can tell the difference, then you can use entangled pairs to communicate instantly at a distance. One person makes a measurement or not, and the other guy checks for the collapsed-ness of his particle - instant transmission. But since no one knows what the collapse means we just chalk it all up as magic - or unknowable, or parallel universes, etc... By the way, the collapsedness of the particles wave function is therefore a hidden variable that we don't have access to. This proves the existence of hidden variables in contradiction to Bell's theorem, and offers the distinct possibility that the spin is also there all along as a "hidden variable".

    I thus predict that an overturn of at least one assumption in Bell's theorem will be one of the biggest headlines in physics some time this century.