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EU Could Force Bundling Firefox With Windows

Barence writes "The European Commission could force Microsoft to bundle Firefox with future versions of Windows. The revelation came as part of Microsoft's quarterly filing with the Security and Exchange Commission. Among the statements is a clause outlining the penalties being considered by the European watchdog, which recently ruled that Microsoft is harming competition by bundling Internet Explorer with Windows. The most interesting situation outlined in the filing would see either Microsoft or computer manufacturers forced to install Firefox, Chrome, Opera and Safari by default alongside Internet Explorer on new Windows-based PCs."

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  1. It still amazes by mikesd81 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    me how Internet Explorer is such a big deal for the EU. IE is free. Microsoft is bundling their browser with their OS. KDE bundles Konqueror. Gnome has Epiphany. There are on binaries for Windows for either of them. Is that bad? Everyone has a choice to download the equally free Firefox for any OS. If you want to go after Microsoft, then go after them for the things that are truly evil. The monopolization. The insane licensing prices. The unfixed bugs. The embrace, extend and extinguish. And the countless other things. Forcing vendors to bundle other browsers won't do anything. Do you really think Microsoft fears this?

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  2. Bundling everything... by HockeyPuck · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I can see it now... the Linux masses (or /. crowd) asking for alternatives to everything...

    Notepad? Bundle Vi/Emacs for windows
    MediaPlayer... bundle VLC & mplayer
    Solitaire...
    Instant Messenger? Bundle Pigdin...
    MSPaint? Bundle GIMP

    And we complain about BLOAT now? Wait till you see all the crap that gets bundled. And the MS products will still get used more? Why, because Joe Sixpack will look at the NAMES of the applications and won't have to guess what they do? Can you look at 99% of the linux apps out there and guess what they do? Notepad/MediaPlayer/Instant Messenger/MS Paint are pretty obvious what they do. GIMP? I'm not explaining that one.

  3. Re:And What of the Others? by g2devi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's not about being childish. The key problem is, Microsoft is currently using it's monopoly in one area to try to create monopolies in other areas, such as mail (MSN/Exchange), web standards (IE/ActiveX), web framework (SilverLight/.NET), games (XBox), music (Zune), DRM (WMV), office software and document formats (MSOffice, OOXML), etc. Lately, Microsoft has been hobbled in its attempt by the failure of Windows Vista, but if Windows 7 succeeds, you can expect Microsoft to return to its old ways and it may eventually succeed.

    Microsoft's power to create new monopolies, lies in four areas:
    * Exchange
    * IE
    * MS Office
    * Ties to MSN (Not firm, but Microsoft has tried to tie users to Passport in the past)
    Windows Admins and developers can automatically assume that if you have Windows, you'll use Exchange, IE, MS Office, and anything required by these apps.

    If users are given choice, it's no longer a safe bet. It can be done in a fairly straightforward manner. Force Microsoft not to install any of these apps in the default Windows install. Then provide a supplementary CD, whereby users have a choice of picking a pre-selected list of software which would include:
    * IE
    * Opera
    * Firefox
    * Google Chrome
    * Thunderbird
    * Exchange Client
    * OpenOffice
    * MS Works or MS Office Trial Version (which can be unlocked by purchasing an activation code online)
    with a brief blurb by each software vendor (not Microsoft) why you should pick their software over the others.

    In such a situation, Microsoft would be on equal footing as other software, so it couldn't leverage it's monopoly. If people *choose* Microsoft software over the alternatives, then it will win on merit, not tie-in.

  4. Re:Yeah, like that will work. by hkmwbz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If the bundling of IE is such a problem then why is Firefox so popular when compared to Opera? It couldn't be anything to do with Opera's business model or lack of advertising or it being closed source or they insisted on payment when there were 3 other free broswers or any of those other drawbacks?

    What you are writing here is basically a red herring because it does not address the actual issue. It is illegal to tie products from different pre-existing markets with products from a monopolized market. Thus, bundling IE with windows is against the law.

    That said, I will respond to this, just for your benefit. I did point out specifically that:

    "Opera is currently the dominant mobile browser. Opera Software is experiencing massive growth in every single business segment (including the desktop version) every single quarter, is profitable, and has a large pile of cash saved up."

    Interesting how Opera is actually dominant in markets with actual competition, isn't it?

    As for Firefox, even Mozilla disagrees with your assertion:

    "When the only real competition comes from a not for profit open source organization that depends on volunteers for almost half of its work product and nearly all of its marketing and distribution, while more than half a dozen other "traditional" browser vendors with better than I.E. products have had near-zero success encroaching on Microsoft I.E.'s dominance, there's a demonstrable tilt to the playing field. That tilt comes with the distribution channel - default status for the OS bundled Web browser."

    The one problem that strikes me with including other software is responsibility, both for support and for updates.

    I agree. Which is why Microsoft shouldn't bundle any browser. Windows should simply be without a browser. The OEM should do the browser bundling.

    Where will updates come from? Windows Update or an manufacturer? Who supports the browsers?

    Minor detail. OEMs will support they browser they choose. Updates can happen in many ways. Most browsers these days update themselves automatically anyway.

    And then there's updates for manufacturers. How often does Firefox update? Rather a lot. So do manufacturers absorb the cost to redo their disk images?

    How often does IE update? How often does Windows update? Rather a lot. So do manufacturers absorb the cost to redo their disk images today?

    Or do we have a downloader that starts the first time an internet connection is there; in which case you're shipping an OS without a browser at all, which, in this day and age is ridiculous.

    No, the OEM picks the browser. Your PC will definitely come with a browser. It just won't be Microsoft choosing which one.

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