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Global Warming Irreversible, NOAA Scientist Finds
Tibor the Hun writes "NPR reports that Susan Solomon, one of the world's top climate scientists, finds in her new study that global warming is now irreversible. The study, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, concludes that even if we could immediately cease our impact on pollution and greenhouse gasses emissions, global climate change would continue for more than a thousand years. The reason is the saturation of oceans with carbon dioxide. Her study looked at the consequences of long-term effect in terms of sea-level rise and drought."
If experts claim the damage is already done and nothing can be done to fix it, then all this worrying is pointless. Why worry, be happy.
IMHO, "global warming" is BS, since the Earth has experienced far warmer periods in the relative recent geological past.
And some news articles I've read said that Mars had experienced slightly warmer average temparatures in recent years. Umm, I know humans sent some robot landers up there, but they're electric not fuel guzzling Hummers or anything - so how else could Mars be getting warmer ... perhaps that big bright ball the Sun whose out fluctuates could be it, but that would be a too simplistic explaination - easier to blame humans for everything.
And as for the term "climate change" ... that is, well, dumb. The climate is always changing ... always has, always will.
Anyways, where is this irreversible "global warming" they speak of ... it's been cold this year - so cold that Gore's upcoming hearing on warming in Washington DC may be postponed due to excessive icy conditions. Ironic to say the least.
Ron
I'm talking about Al Gore you ignorant fuck.
How we know is more important than what we know.
Leader of the first world? Only in his fucking delusions.
Since WW2, the POTUS has always had the informal title, "leader of the free world".
Even Nixon and Carter.
a whole bunch of "first world" countries condemning your decisions
European (selling dual-use technology to Iraq and Iran, then wagging their fingers at us) and Canadian (they are letting their military wither into nothingness) hypocrites make me puke. Then I ignore them for the ass-hats they are.
"I don't know, therefore Aliens" Wafflebox1
Or maybe you really are just that out of touch.
They can't accurately model what our weather will look like in a year. They ignore the impact that variable solar output has on our environment. They say that Antarctica is getting warmer when in fact most of it is getting colder
Global warming theory exists to facilitate a political and economic agenda. Ridiculous concepts like carbon credit trading are designed to move money around the globe, not to improve the environment.
If we really cared about our energy situation and our environment and we wanted cleaner air to breathe and better water to drink we'd launch a Kennedyesque "Man-on-the-Moon" effort directed towards those goals. Unfortunately, doing that would not accomplish the political and economic goals of those behind global warming.
You can accurately divide the proponents of Man-made global warming into two groups: fools and liars.
Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But then I repeat myself. -- Mark Twain
Looks like your wrong on that one buddy, America didn't get to be the greatest country in the world by accident it's taken thousands of years of American hard work, sweat and tears and sheer graft and that is the legacy our ancestors have left to us.
Look at all those other places you mentioned where people scrabble in the dirt for their food and where there'll as thick as shit. The reason they are that way is evolution, they're ancestors didn't put in the hard work. No, no doubt because in many of these hell holes it's nice and hot they just sat round on their fat assess and sunbathed whilst your ancestors, and mine, were putting the work in. Evolution says those people should die off and it's up to us to leave them to it or help them along the road as opportunity dictates.
So yeah, I am hard working and industrious because my ancestors made me that way and if others aren't then it's their ancestors they should be looking to blame rather than me.
If you actually knew your history rather than assuming that things then were as things now, you'd know that the public transit system in New York was not built by the government, but by private enterprise looking to make a buck.
Exactly. Dun Malg said it first, but it is absolutely the point you're failing to grasp.
The same is true nearly every mile of rail in the United States. The government made it easy, to be sure, but mostly only by giving away that which wasn't theirs to give in the first place.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_transport_in_the_United_States
However private enterprise built nearly all the country's railroads, using charters from state government that created the business corporation and gave a limited right of eminent domain, allowing the railroad to buy needed land, even if the owner objected.
To assume that a politician will ever do any more than talk seems pretty stupid to me.
by "threw up their hands" you mean "publicly funded and built a massive underground public transit system" and "pushed the adoption of automobiles by adopting increasingly auto-centric laws",
This is like saying the local mafia helps businesses by offering them protection.
I'm not a global warming denier
"Global warming denier"? Are people actually using that term?
If one disagrees with the dogma of the day, that makes one a "denier"? Sigh. Political correctness has gotten way out of hand.
Well, yeah. Someone who denies that the globe is warming is indeed a global warming denier. Just like someone who builds bridges is a bridge builder.
Don't try and bring PC into this. Political Correctness has not "gone mad". "Political correctness has gone mad" has gone mad. We don't all read The Sun and The Daily Mail you know. I thought a /.r would know a little better than to breathe nazi rag bullshit all over us.
As usual, if you examine the context in which this report comes out you can see she has some ulterior motives. First off is her background. PhD from UC Berkley in 1981. If Berkley isn't left leaning I don't know what university is. Does this necessarily make her science wrong? No. Does this mean that she is biased toward one desired outcome? Yes. Second, the Nobel Prize she obtained by being a member of the UN's IPCC. Could she possibly have come out with a report saying that climate change has slowed, or halted, or 'gasp' even reversed? Wouldn't that mean that the science behind the IPCC global warming findings were wrong? How could she get funding for more research? It seems that she is entrenched now in this mantra, and in order to keep getting the funds & professional accolades she needs to keep selling the fear. Third, now is the time to publish such a report. Strike while the iron is hot, while the new president isn't completely bogged down by the economy, while the ink in his pen flows freely and all things can change. Should we reduce man-made CO2 emissions? Surely. However, i'm afraid that partisan agendas--not legitimate scientific research--are far more of a threat to our future.
FireStormZ, Dude!, That's some nice trolling! Clever statistical anomally juggling there too--got 'em all riled up!
That was the turning point of my life--I went from negative zero to positive zero.
How did you get 5 insightful on that piece of crap? What the hell does the sunspot cycle (with an 11 year cycle) have to do with climate change as measured over decades?!?
I read the internet for the articles.