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Athletes' Brains Reveal Concussion Damage

jamie found a story on research about what concussions do to athletes, with the insights coming mostly from the study of the donated brains of dead athletes. The NFL has the biggest profile in the piece, but other sports make an appearance too. Turns out that repeated concussions can result in depression, insomnia, and the beginnings of something that looks a lot like Alzheimer's. "The idea that you can whack your head hundreds of times in your life and knock yourself out and get up and be fine is gone," said [retired wrestler] Nowinski. "We know we can't do that anymore. This causes long-term damage."

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  1. Referencing to other article by Herr_Skymarshall · · Score: 5, Funny

    They just need to smoke more pot!

    1. Re:Referencing to other article by Feanturi · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm not sure how that's "backwards". Depending on the activity, pot is in fact performance enhancing. I just can't remember how offhand.

    2. Re:Referencing to other article by wizbit · · Score: 5, Funny

      Oblig Eddie Izzard:

      "But the Dutch speak four languages and smoke marijuana!"

      "Yes, but they're cheating! Everyone knows marijuana is a drug enhancement, that can help you on track in field, to come... last, in a team of... eight million other runners who are all dead."

  2. Really? by bFusion · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The idea that you can whack your head hundreds of times in your life and knock yourself out and get up and be fine is gone," said [retired wrestler] Nowinski.

    This was a legitimate idea that people actually believed?

    1. Re:Really? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The "Just suck it up and be a man" theory of sports medicine is surprisingly persistent. As are its close relatives the "Stay strong and positive" theory of oncology and the "Pull yourself together" theory of psychotherapy.

    2. Re:Really? by jockeys · · Score: 4, Funny

      actually, I'm pretty sure the only people who believed it were people who had been whacked on the head hundreds of times.

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    3. Re:Really? by ChienAndalu · · Score: 5, Funny

      So very true. Other cancers of todays medicine are the "let it all out"-philosophy in gastroenterology and the "don't be so hard on yourself" school of urology.

    4. Re:Really? by MyLongNickName · · Score: 5, Insightful

      if I had to choose between the two extremes, I would choose this over the "lets remove all risk from a child's environment" philosophy. Fortunately, this is a false dichotomy.

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    5. Re:Really? by chill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, not really. I mean a quick look at ex-boxers, like Muhammad Ali, would tell you otherwise. The phrase "punch drunk" has been in the English language for some time now.

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    6. Re:Really? by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Obviously you're not my little brother.

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    7. Re:Really? by GNT · · Score: 5, Informative

      Cancer survival not linked to a positive attitude, study finds
      Print version: page 14

      Some cancer patients seek out support groups and psychotherapy with the notion that improving their emotional states will extend their lives, says University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine psychologist James C. Coyne, PhD.

      However, in a study in the journal Cancer, (Vol. 110, No. 11) Coyne and colleagues reported that emotional well-being in no way predicted survival among patients with head and neck cancer.

      "If people want to go to a support group there are lots of advantages to it, such as a sense of belonging, but survival isn't one of them," says Coyne.

      In the large-scale study conducted over nine years, Coyne and colleagues used baseline quality-of-life questionnaires to assess the well-being of 1,093 cancer patients. All participants were involved in clinical trials, which ensured uniformity of treatment and ruled out substantial health disparities in the sample. During the study, 646 patients died, and the research team found no relationship between their emotional well-being and cancer progression and death.

      Though his findings strongly contradict the notion that a positive attitude is related to survival, the idea of "fighting" cancer is deeply rooted in our culture, says Coyne.

      "It's the American way, that you can do it, you can fight it," he adds.

      Based on the study results, Coyne believes it's important to not blame cancer patients who don't adopt an aggressively positive spirit.

      "We want to recognize thatthere are lots of individual differences in coping with cancer," he says. "People have to do what's comfortable with them, but they have to do it without the burden of thinking they've got to have the right attitudeto survive."

    8. Re:Really? by causality · · Score: 4, Insightful

      if I had to choose between the two extremes, I would choose this over the "lets remove all risk from a child's environment" philosophy. Fortunately, this is a false dichotomy.

      If our public schools were worthy institutions, they would teach critical thinking so that people could learn the concept of a "false dichotomy" or "excluded middle" once and for all. I'd much prefer that to having to debunk myriad instances of the idea each time they are found.

      If you'll permit a fanciful image, it's like the hydra with a thousand heads. Debunking the myriad instances is like trying to cut off each head, one at a time. Learning the concept involved and moving on is like going straight for the heart of the beast and taking it down in one stroke. I know which one suits me.

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    9. Re:Really? by g0at · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, my understanding is that he suffers from Parkinson's syndrome, which is not the same as the disease proper.

      -b

  3. If this is true... by scubamage · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If this is true, then why do schools insist on giving money to sports programs while starving arts and sciences budgets? Not only do they not do their job, they're effectively making kids dumber by causing brain damage.

    1. Re:If this is true... by Vectronic · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's a conspiracy.

    2. Re:If this is true... by je+ne+sais+quoi · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The answer is marketing. A highly visible sports program does seem to increase the visibility of the school and in response, the school gets a bigger pool of student applications and can choose better students out of that pool. But I agree that the idea that we have these "athlete scholars" is usually a farce, their is a double-standard for athletes and universities do whatever they can to ignore huge problems with athletes cheating, etc. The universities really need to stop spending so much money on their athletic programs and worry about their core missions, which are education and research, which does NOT include entertainment.

      As for TFA, for us sedentary desk-jockeys, we think of "exercise" as healthy, but anyone who has played a sport in some sort of serious way has probably noticed that athletics at this level is not healthy, it's damaging to the body, it doesn't surprise me that the brain is no exception. I played competitive ultimate frisbee on a regular basis for several years and I was beginning to get knee trouble. Looking at the health problems some of the older players had was enough to make me quit. I'd much rather still be able to walk when I'm 50 thank you.

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    3. Re:If this is true... by mdarksbane · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, because there's a much higher earning potential for artists than football players... they're both disciplines where a few people make it big, and the rest scrounge or go into something else while talking about their lost dreams.

      In high school, I resented the attention that the jocks and the athletic department got at our school. But then I got to college and went into engineering... and saw dozens of young men who couldn't run a mile, who were obese and unattractive and unable to be self-sufficient when it came to anything physical. Moreover, I saw the inability to work as a team, to work within a command structure or to lead others, to communicate, to deal with stress and confrontation.

      Deifying athletics is ridiculous - but so is ridiculing it. Music, art, athletics, hell, even math and science for the vast majority of high schoolers, are not things we teach our children because we want them to spend the rest of their lives painting or playing guitar. They are ways to grow the whole human body and mind into a stronger, faster, smarter, more social, more responsible, and just pure *better* adult.

      We should support better safety in sports - but as others have pointed out, concussions are something that are only recently well understood. There was a general idea of a correlation between too many head injuries and brain damage, but no one knew how often, or how bad, or anything it would take to do serious damage. Sports medicine isn't the only area where there have been bad knowledge or just plain lack of knowledge, especially at the high school level.

      We should fund art, and music, and science, and everything else in schools better, and many schools do have more priority than they probably should on athletics. But then, how often do you see the whole community energized and supportive in physical presence and monetary donations to watch a science class. Maybe we should be hitting that angle before we complain about schools spending on athletics.

    4. Re:If this is true... by mdarksbane · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Define personal fitness. I'd say it includes running and jumping around. PE teaches team sports because they're a lot more interesting (to most people), and keep a lot more people involved, than running on a treadmill. I guess it's a bit of a philosophy thing - if you're uncoordinated, do you give up or push harder. Some people were never taught (or never had - we could argue that all day) that kind of physical competitiveness.

      Team sports may seem like they teach worthless things... but throwing, catching, dodging, all build agility and coordination better than most pure drills you could do, especially when you add that you're trying to do it over the head of someone else.

      Unattractiveness is 90-95% body weight and muscle mass. A guy can have one of the ugliest mugs you've ever seen but he will still beat out every over or underweight nerd you know if he has a six pack. Are football players generally naturally attractive? Not their faces, but ask most women and they'd love it if their husband had their bodies. How much depression and disorders are directly linked to poor fitness? How many nerds do you know with major psychological issues due to their inability (or perceived inability ) to attract women (or men, although that is generally less of an issue in our discipline).

      And finally... no one is forced to hit their head with a ball. You're encouraged to play, but if you don't go for that header, they aren't going to fail you for the class.

      I get tired of this false dichotomy in our society between physical and mental pursuits. There is no reason to ignore any aspect of your personal development. Being smart does not give you and excuse to be weak, nor being athletic an excuse to ignore your math studies. You may not start on the football team or win the nobel price, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't play the game.

  4. It's not that surprising by Anonymous+Cowbell · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I remember an ESPN interview of a retired NFL linebacker. He'd had multiple concussions in his playing days. He was quite mentally damaged, at the ripe old age of 45.

    One day he went out for a drive, and when he got to his block, he couldn't recognize his own house. So he decided to just keep driving around the block, over and over. More than an hour elapsed before one of his family members spotted the car out the front window and went outside and flagged him down.

    It wasn't the first time seemingly simple things/memories just completely escaped him

    1. Re:It's not that surprising by Darth_brooks · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not surprising, but it's also a bit of a slight to the way concussions are being handled today. These artciles give the impression that concussions are treated today the same way they were 30 years ago.

      Ten years ago was the point where things really started to "click" when it came to concussions. Jim Everett's case in particular. He was an NFL quarterback who spent several years as a veritable punching bag for some god-awful teams, including the St. Louis Rams. Everett had actually taken to keeping his phone number in his wallet, since he frequently got lost on the way home (a 15 minute drive) from the stadium, and couldn't remember his address or phone number. At that point, a lot of NFL teams began taking notice. The tissue samples we're seeing are from guys who, for the most part, played in the 70's and 80's, back when "shut up and play you pussy, you just 'got your bell rung'" was a way of life. Now, concussions are handled with considerably more care. Is it enough? I don't know that anyone is sure yet. But at least they're being treated like the legitimate, serious injury they are.

      But what's really waking up pro sports teams? Money. With teams investing over 100 million dollars over ten years in some players, the risk is losing not only what you've invested in development, but what you stand to earn in terms of marketing and merchandise revenues. What do you think a Peyton Manning-level players is worth to his franchise over his career? a quarter of a billion dollars? Half a billion? Do you think it's any different in the NHL? Or EPL?

      It's interesting that Chris Nowinski is mentioned in the article. As a former pro-wrestler, hearing him talk about concussions is like hearing about gang violence from someone who lives in Compton. The WWE has an absolutely abysmal record of handling athlete injuries, especially concussions.

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    2. Re:It's not that surprising by butalearner · · Score: 4, Informative

      The tissue samples we're seeing are from guys who, for the most part, played in the 70's and 80's, back when "shut up and play you pussy, you just 'got your bell rung'" was a way of life. Now, concussions are handled with considerably more care. Is it enough? I don't know that anyone is sure yet. But at least they're being treated like the legitimate, serious injury they are.

      My father was a linebacker for 8 years in the '80s, and he says something very similar. He had several concussions himself, and only when he suffered the one or two major ones did he come out of the game. He's coached for a high school and a smaller college team recently and says that even at that level everyone is so much more aware of injuries, and other dangers like dehydration and heat exhaustion, than they were when he played professionally. And before that it was worse...when he was in high school they used to take salt pills instead of water breaks.

      Anyway, he's 50 now, his knees and back are shot so he walks like a 75 year old. Maybe it's because he just turned 50, but the NFLPA has recently gotten serious about former player health, so they've begun periodically checking his heart and other health problems. But thankfully the only mental problem I've noticed is that he votes Republican.

  5. Athletes? by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Funny

    "The idea that you can whack your head hundreds of times in your life and knock yourself out and get up and be fine is gone," said [retired wrestler] Nowinski. "We know we can't do that anymore. This causes long-term damage."

    And they needed to study athletes for this? They could have asked anyone who's ever done more than a week of front-line tech support.

    Briefly, the degree of mental impairment is roughly proportional to the depth of the worn-out concavity in the desk. The rates at which both measurements increase over time show a logarithmic flattening-out as one progresses from front-line support to management.

  6. Re:whodathunkit? by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 4, Funny

    whodathunkit?

    +1 unintentional onomatopoeia

  7. Nowinski? by loshwomp · · Score: 4, Funny

    Never bet on the guy named "Nowinski". He's never won anything.