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Photog Rob Galbraith Rates MacBook Pro Display "Not Acceptable"

An anonymous reader writes "Professional digital photographer and website publisher Rob Galbraith has performed both objective and subjective tests on laptop displays, finding that the late-2008 Macbook Pro glossy displays are 'deep into the not acceptable category' when used in ambient light environments. The Apple notebook came in dead last for color accuracy, and second to last in viewing angles (besting only the Dell Mini 9). He concludes: 'Macs are no longer at the top of the laptop display heap in our minds.'"

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  1. Macbook pro 17" by Psx29 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wonder if they will test the macbook pro 17" which has a $50 matte option?

    1. Re:Macbook pro 17" by Khyber · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Except matte was the DEFAULT for laptop LCDs until someone had the stupid idea of making the fucking thing shiny and glossy.

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    2. Re:Macbook pro 17" by flyingsquid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly, it's stylish. And the lack of functionality is a small price to pay for broadcasting our coolness. It's all about being seen, so who cares if you can't see?

    3. Re:Macbook pro 17" by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No the grandparent is right. If you put both a screens in a display room, the shiny screen looks nicer. It therefore makes sense to put glossy screens on laptops. When someone else sees your screen, it looks good and they think 'that's a nice laptop, maybe I'll get one like that'. It's only when you try to actually use the machine that the glossy screen is inferior, and by that time you've already given your money to the manufacturer.

      I'm glad I got my MBP before Apple's hardware team went crazy. The latest models are so far from being a compelling upgrade that I'd rather ditch OS X than buy a new Mac at the moment.

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  2. Photog? by Killer+Orca · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is this one of those words that has surreptitiously entered our language like "blog" or was the title just cut-off?

  3. So true... by isaac · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apple is running away from the niche markets (like imaging) that sustained them through their dark days as fast as they can. The new unibody Macbooks (and the 24" ADC^H^H^HMini-DisplayPort external LCD) are slightly faster but in many ways less functional than the models they replaced. Glossy is a bug, not a feature.

    Meanwhile, HP and Dell are shipping laptops with RGB LED-backlit displays with 105% NTSC color gamut. Apple is slipping, badly, from this user's perspective.

    -Isaac

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    1. Re:So true... by isaac · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually glossy is a superior technology for imaging hobbled by having only 8bits per color channel. Similar problems have arisen with wide-gamut displays. 8bit precision means fairly coarse steps between shades as the range of reproducible colors (gamut) increases. Glossy screens have better color gamut because environmental light contributes less "white pollution" because most sources are reflected away, not toward the viewer. Using a matte screen is more like looking through a layer of milk. Your mind's eye sees around the matte effect because of its uniformity across the screen, whereas residual reflections are distinctly localized in the glossy case.

      Specious. Uniformity across the screen is more important to me than "white pollution" - not a term of art I've ever heard, but I know what you mean.

      The detailed reflections on a glossy screen are distracting and really slow me down when working with images in the field (i.e. real world laptop use.) In practice, even in a room with controlled lighting, I can still see my reflected face in the dark areas of images where I'd rather be seeing the image I'm working with.

      Gamut doesn't really enter into the glossy vs. matte debate. I only brought up the expanded gamut of the new LG laptop panels with RGB LED backlighting being shipped by Dell and HP as an example of how Apple is failing to deliver a truly premium product for the dollar ask of their latest line of so-called "pro" laptops.

      -Isaac

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  4. Cause... by denzacar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why make it a feature when it can be a "special bonus" or an "extra"?

    Plus... haven't you heard of "downgrading to XP" costs for Vista laptops and desktops?
    "Downgrading" is the new "works out of the box".

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  5. Where is the "mark for deletion" button? by denzacar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Photog" is as much of a real word describing "A person who takes photographs" as "sandw" is a word used to describe "Two or more slices of bread with a filling such as meat or cheese placed between them".

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    1. Re:Where is the "mark for deletion" button? by db32 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I would like to point out that even "ugh" sounds more intelligent than things like photog, blog, sexting, and much of the English 2.0 bullshit the Web 2.0 has brought us.

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    2. Re:Where is the "mark for deletion" button? by denzacar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Gurch, v. is a made up word.
      Pelight, n. is a made up word.
      Clunes, n. pl. is a made up word.
      Froond v. is a made up word.

       
      Photog is just someone being too lazy to type Photographer and too stupid to think up something like PhotR.
      Or SnpR (pronounced Snap-aR - from "snapping a photo").

      Neither would be any more needed or valid than photog though.
      There is a reason we don't have and use just 4-5 letter words for everything.
      Not only is the information in those extra letters important - it is often far more beautiful.

      The word "photography" comes from the Greek (phos) "light" + (graphis) "stylus", "paintbrush" or (graphê) "representation by means of lines" or "drawing", together meaning "drawing with light." Traditionally, the products of photography have been called negatives and photographs, commonly shortened to photos.

      The One Who Draws With Light or an ugly "snub-nosed" bitten off newspeak like photog?

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    3. Re:Where is the "mark for deletion" button? by Shin-LaC · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is a reason we don't have and use just 4-5 letter words for everything.

      Actually, yes, you do. Compared to other European languages, English has extremely low tolerance for polysyllabic words. It considers two syllables a long word, and revels in monosyllabic grunts.

  6. Apple LED displays have an awful gamut... by KonoWatakushi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just when wide gamut LCDs are approaching the range of colors once possible on CRTs, Apple has taken yet another step backwards with their new LED backlight displays.

    My LED MacBook has a spectacularly bad display, so I went to visit the local Apple store to see if this was typical. Sadly it is, and what's more, it looks like all of Apple's LED displays are vastly inferior to that of my old iMac G5. (which has an S-IPS panel and conventional fluorescent backlight)

    Color wise, the LED MacBook Pro and Cinema Display are better than the MacBook, but they are all shamefully bad, and definitely worthy of a "worst in the industry" rating. (at least color-wise)

  7. Re:Matte display readily available by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sounds to me like they deliberately choose an option with hope of failure. The matte display has been an option since the previous macbook introduction.

    Yes, because someone who concluded 18 months ago that "Apple was making one of the finest laptop screens we'd seen for use in a pro digital photography workflow." is bound to be setting Apple up for failure.

    Thank you for reaffirming my belief in self-delusional fanboi nature.

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  8. Re:TN panels by rezonat0r · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Mod parent up (and the article down...)

    ALL laptop displays are "unacceptable" for serious graphics work, because they are all TN-type (TN is the thinnest).

    TFA even admits that the only recent laptop that had an IPS-type panel, a Lenovo, is discontinued.

    Rob should know by now that laptops are not for color critical work. This has been blindingly obvious for years.

  9. Re:IS flamebait because by gabebear · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm just wondering where the "unacceptable" and "not acceptable" from the blurb came from. The article repeatedly says the Macbook's display is acceptable. I think 'timothy' needs to read articles before accepting stories.

  10. Re:NOT flamebait by Anpheus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Regarding the usability of GIMP, I would say that yes, they are geeks living in their parent's basements.

    The biggest problem with GIMP is that its developers aren't the intended users. I don't think they "get it."

  11. Re:Okay, fanboys... by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Right now I'm in a market for a 15" MBP to replace a PPC Powerbook but the glossy screen is preventing me from purchasing it.

    Why don't you buy the Lenovo recommended in the story & install (a retail copy of) OS X on it? That way you'll have the best of both worlds. Decent hardware & a unixy OS that runs your workflow tools.

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  12. Oh, come on⦠by wirefarm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's industry jargon.

    Photographers use the term and understand it.
    That would make it a real word, wouldn't it?

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  13. Re:TN panels by badasscat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Rob should know by now that laptops are not for color critical work. This has been blindingly obvious for years.

    That's not really the point.

    The point is a digital photographer has to take something with him/her on the road. So what do you take with you?

    Just throwing up your hands and saying "all these panels suck! don't accept any of them!" is not really helpful. Because that's equivalent to saying "you can't work outside the office". And clearly that is not at all true - you can work outside the office, with any laptop. The question is just which laptop works best for this kind of thing?

    Ever since I first started reading this site several years ago, there is always a certain group of people that take an absolute all or nothing kind of attitude, which just ends up being defeatist. Because it's not realistic. Nothing is perfect, and if you're going to expect it to be, then you're just not going to be able to work. That's reality.

    But people do work, including photographers, and they work just fine even with imperfect equipment. That doesn't mean they don't want the best equipment available, but it does mean most people in the real world are (surprise) realists, and they will use whatever they have to to get their work done.

    So yes, we should all be pressing manufacturers for better laptop displays. That doesn't mean displays that currently exist are "unacceptable" for photographic use. The vast majority of digital photos you've ever seen in any professional capacity, be it in a magazine, a newspaper, a book or a web site, were taken by a photographer walking around with both a camera and a laptop. Some of these were probably even viewed on laptops with (gasp) glossy screens. Most of them were no doubt viewed on laptops with TN screens.

    So to make this blanket statement that laptops are "not for color critical work" is just not a statement you can make. They may not be ideal, but then nothing ever is. Hell, the cameras photographers use aren't perfect either, they're always a series of compromises. Does that mean every camera in the world is "unacceptable" for taking photographs?