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When To Consider Taking Shares In an IT Company?

pgpark writes "I've been working as a key resource for a small IT consulting firm in the US. While the job has been interesting and the company's growth quite impressive over the last few years, it's been almost half a dozen years now and being ready for something new, I was ready to quit for consulting. It looks like the CEO would prefer to see me stay, as she is offering me ten percent of shares in the company in exchange for five additional years of my services. So the big question for me now is 'should I stay or should I go now?' Have you guys on Slashdot ever been dealing with such a situation? What points would you consider in order to make your choice?"

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  1. Stock is for chumps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've been in the biz for 15 years now. Been at 5 different startups, had juice in 4 of them. Of these, here are some sobering numbers:

    * One was acquired, and the share value increased. However, I had 1000 shares and I was 24 at the time (this was in '94, before the great Equity Craze of the DotCom bust), and decided to let those shares go. Loss: about $35,000

    * One went IPO before I joined, my vesting price was at $15. During my time there, the stock sank continually to $8 (this in the late 90s, so you can imagine my frustration) Loss: None, other than my time.

    * One burned through $35 million of VC and kept hyping the "inevitable" acquisition. I bought 33% of my vested shares. The company went belly up on Aug 17, 2001, three months after I bought. Loss: $3,000

    * One is still in existence, but because I was a contractor and forced out by management who wanted "engineers they brought in", I had to purchase my shares to stay in the game. Current loss: $1,900. Likelihood of gain: Probably 10-25%.

    Bottom line: Unless you think there is a significant chance they will be acquired or go IPO, shares are WORTHLESS. And they generate huge headaches for you and your coworkers (think of the time you waste talking about share value or stock prices of comparable companies).

    Only one thing matters about your job: Your paycheck. If they want to give you a cool title, wicked shares, or some new responsibility...it's all fluff unless they want to pony up cold, hard cash to back it up.

    Of course, in this economy, it's good to be employed too so take it all with a grain of salt. :)

  2. Suggestions... by FrankSchwab · · Score: 5, Informative

    If they're offering 10%, take it. It will certainly have a vesting schedule attached to it. Don't feel guilty about leaving in three months if things aren't working out; they won't feel guilty about firing you in three months if business goes south.

    Ask for an immediate vesting clause in the case of termination (other than for cause), or sale of the company. You don't want to accept their offer, then get fired three months from now when they find someone new (because you threatened to leave), or when the company gets sold.

    Ask for the latest financial statements. Your perception of the money being made by the company, and the finance guy's perception may be totally different. If they're offering options to keep you, you need to be able to value the offer.

    If there is a board of directors, insist on a seat. With a 10% stake, you would be entitled to it. Its the best way to find out where the company is, and where its going.

    Ask the CEO for his exit strategy - is he planning on running the company forever, is he planning on a private sale, is he planning on going public? Each of these has a different risk/reward tradeoff that you have to make.

    Being handcuffed with vesting options, but having no visibility into the viability of the company, is like being harnessed to a wagon with a closed box on top, being told "You'll get what's inside after we make it over the mountain". Especially when you don't know if the wagonmaster is dipping into the box on the trip.

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  3. Hollywood Accounting by KingAlanI · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_Accounting
    The film industry made it famous, but they asren;t the only ones to do it.
    So there's the term that applies to the method.

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  4. Exit Strategy by religious+freak · · Score: 5, Informative

    The number one question you must ask yourself whenever making an investment decision is ... what's your exit strategy?

    So, you own these shares in the company... so what? Do they plan on becoming publicly traded one day, and is that just a dream, or can it actually happen? When you take the shares what terms are you taking the shares under? Do you have a right to sell to whoever you want once they are yours, or do you have to sell to insiders at a set price before you can sell to outsiders. Having an asset that is worth money, but has no market (as stock does when not publicaly traded on an exchange), is not a great thing, because there's no way out. If you question this, just ask the banks holding mortgages which are technically worth $0 right now... even though they're receiving income every month by virtue of possessing the asset. Put simply, you need to ask yourself... who exactly is going to want to buy this stock one day?

    Also very important... Do you know how to read a financial statement? If so, look at the balance sheet of the company. The balance sheet shows the assets of the company... for illustration, if the company has a total of 1000 shares, and $1000 in the bank, and you get 10%, you essentially own $100 after you receive the shares. If they have no real assets or cash, then take that into account. One thing to note: there is a line-item on balance sheets called "goodwill", if you've got a lot of that, it is not a good thing, because goodwill has no real tangible value and is basically BS fluff 99.99% of the time. Look it up for more details.

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