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Power In Scotland From Tides and Whiskey

tsamsoniw writes "Singapore-based Atlantis Resources Corporation, which brings to the table tidal-turbine technology, is partnering with Scotland-based datacenter developer Internet Villages International) to construct a tidal-powered 150MW 'Blue Datacenter,' InfoWorld reports. If all goes to plan, the facility will eventually be powered entirely by clean energy produced by tidal-current turbines in the Pentland Firth, the stretch of water between the far north Scottish mainland and Orkney. The firth's currents could generate 700 megawatts of electricity by 2020." And reader Mike writes "Here's something to raise a glass to: recently the Rothes consortium of whiskey and scotch distillers announced that they have partnered with Helius Energy to install a power plant fueled entirely by whiskey by-products. The completed plant will use biomass cogeneration to convert draff and pot ale from the distillery into 7.2 MW of electricity — enough to power 9,000 homes."

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  1. Reclassification needed! by Bud · · Score: 5, Funny

    It seems that in some cases, whiskey can now be called an energy drink.

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    1. Re:Reclassification needed! by coleblak · · Score: 3, Informative

      if it's from Scotland, it's whisky, not whiskey.

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  2. Whisky by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Of course in Scotland we call it Whisky...

    1. Re:Whisky by FTWinston · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yeah, Whiskey is Irish, Whisky is Scottish.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whisky

      They're very different drinks. Although speaking as a Scot, the only Whisk(e)y i actually like is Jack Daniels, and being american, thats Whiskey too. Meh.

    2. Re:Whisky by Canazza · · Score: 3, Funny

      What about Spanish Whisk(e)y? is that an E or not?

      To be fair it probably was just coloured fermented olive oil...

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    3. Re:Whisky by Harold+Halloway · · Score: 3, Informative

      Dunno about Spanish whisk(e)y but Welsh whisk(e)y is 'wisgi'.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whisky

    4. Re:Whisky by beelsebob · · Score: 2, Informative

      and being american, thats Whiskey too
      No it's not, it's bourbon.

    5. Re:Whisky by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      No it's not, it's bourbon.

      Jack Daniels is definitely not bourbon.
      It is a Tennesee Whiskey.

    6. Re:Whisky by shawb · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's actually not an error. Whiskey is perfectly good stuff... for turning into power to make real Whisky with.

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    7. Re:Whisky by Dupple · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm not a big fan of Talisker at all, a nice 18 year old famous grouse or 12 year old Oban - lovely

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    8. Re:Whisky by cthulu_mt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ardbeg 10 year. It'll take the enamel off your teeth.

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    9. Re:Whisky by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually Bourbon is a type of whiskey. It was named bourbon, because it was originally made in Bourbon county, Kentucky

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourbon_whiskey

      Sincerely,

      Anonymous Alcoholic

    10. Re:Whisky by Ngwenya · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ardbeg 10 year. It'll take the enamel off your teeth.

      Not bad. Although the 25 year old Laphroaig is smoother than the other Islay malts I've tried (most of them - never tried Port Askaig). And now the Yanks know why British teeth are so awful - no enamel!

      If you can find Ledaig, that's nice too - made in Mull, but the good stuff is rarer than rocking horse shit (the Whisky Shop in Edinburgh's Victoria Street is where I got mine).

      --Ng

    11. Re:Whisky by Funk_dat69 · · Score: 2, Informative

      As long as we're being specific, for whiskey to be called 'Bourbon', it must be made with at least a 50% corn sour mash and must be aged at least 3 years in a new oak barrel.

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    12. Re:Whisky by Dark_Gravity · · Score: 2, Informative

      Maker's is actually a Jim Beam brand. The spelling is probably just a marketing thing, but who knows.

      It appears that is correct now, but that has only been the case since a late 2005 acquisition.

  3. If they keep doing this, the Moon will be affected by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    They will stop the moon, because everyone knoes that the Moon pushes the tides, and against these contraptions the moon will have to push harder, so it will lose speed and this giant Italian spy-satellite that we call the "moon" will crash into America and contaminate our base-ball parks and churches with its nefarious blasphemy. Obama has pledged to wage war against the terrorists, but "Barack" (his middle name is actually Giuseppe!) could be an agent of the sinister Italian infiltrators! Alert America! Alert!

  4. 7.2MW for 9000 homes? by AceJohnny · · Score: 4, Informative

    That's 800W per home. That's very little. A fridge, a microwave, and you're quickly over it.

    What is, actually, the average power draw of a home in Scotland?

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    1. Re:7.2MW for 9000 homes? by stranger_to_himself · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's 800W per home. That's very little. A fridge, a microwave, and you're quickly over it.

      What is, actually, the average power draw of a home in Scotland?

      I was thinking that 9000 homes sounds like it should cover the whole of the Highlands.

    2. Re:7.2MW for 9000 homes? by borizz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I bet 800W is the average power draw of a Scottish home. I bet it's also about the average power draw of a Dutch home. I think they also use natural gas for heating and (mostly?) for cooking, like we do. Your microwave might use 1100 Watts, but you're not running it 24/7. Your fridge only uses a lot of power when it runs its compressor. You're not running your washing machine constantly.

      The trick with these calculations is is that they're on average. Yes, during the day the plant will probably not be able to supply them all. But you should look at it this way: The plant generates x terajoules per year, and 9000 homes use x terajoules per year. In reality, sometimes the plant will only feed 1000 homes, sometimes it'll feed 18000 homes.

    3. Re:7.2MW for 9000 homes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's 800W per home. That's very little. A fridge, a microwave, and you're quickly over it.

      What is, actually, the average power draw of a home in Scotland?

      you keep your microwave running all day?

    4. Re:7.2MW for 9000 homes? by Canazza · · Score: 2, Informative

      The higlands need energy for three things:
      Lighting, Milking and if they're lucky, Cooking
      that is, if they're near the national grid. If not then they'll be using Diesel generators and will only get their milking and cooking done in darkness. Unless they have a Gas stove.

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    5. Re:7.2MW for 9000 homes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The average Uk home uses 4700kWh of electricity per year.
      http://www.renew-reuse-recycle.com/showarticle.pl?id=311

      4700/(365*24)=0.536

      So only 536W average load

    6. Re:7.2MW for 9000 homes? by Canazza · · Score: 2, Informative

      the funny thing is, Winter in Glasgow, atleast, is generally drier than summer (in which the rain is usually torrential) - no idea why that is, but it's rained about 3 times in the last month here.

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    7. Re:7.2MW for 9000 homes? by DocDJ · · Score: 2, Informative

      You don't need to store massive amounts of electricity, just massive amounts of energy, in whatever form. That's what pumped-storage hydroelectric power stations do - they pump water uphill overnight using the cheap electricity produced by the coal and nuclear power stations that can't be turned off, and then let it fall during the day, driving the turbines.

    8. Re:7.2MW for 9000 homes? by borizz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't worry, they have that covered.

      This is just a Discovery Channel unit. How much is 7.2MW? About enough to power 9000 homes. How heavy is the space shuttle? About 400 Volkswagen Beetles. It's only done to give someone without a feel for how much a Watt is (there's loads of those people) an example of how much power this will generate.

    9. Re:7.2MW for 9000 homes? by Rogerborg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Don't forget the inner glow of our burning, seething hatred for the English. And the Welsh. And the Japanese. And other Scots. Damn Scots, they ruined Scotland.

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  5. Tight? Just careful! by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

    What is, actually, the average power draw of a home in Scotland?

    Not much.

    What do Scots use for heating when it's cold? A 40 watt lightbulb.

    What do they do when it's very cold? Switch it on.

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    1. Re:Tight? Just careful! by __aayejd672 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Its only English that say Scots are tight - thats coz we dont give them the time of day :p

  6. whisky vs whiskey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    fyi- if it's made in Scotland, you spell it "whisky" (no 'e'), if it's anywhere else, it's "whiskey" (with an 'e').

    a couple of charlatans in other countries do spell it without an 'e', but we've sent our finest drunken brawlers to deal with them asap.

    1. Re:whisky vs whiskey by PartickThistle · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, it's because they're pissed-drunk.

  7. the Scots are leading by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Scotland's First Minister came and gave a speech at National Geographic Headquarters a few months ago in which he announced a $15M prize for whomever could come up with a way to harness the sea's energy around Scotland. I'm wondering if this will be one of the entries. Either way, Scotland seems to be located in a prime spot to be leading the charge with this type of renewable energy.

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  8. Whiskey Byproducts by Randy+Savage · · Score: 4, Funny

    Powered by Glaswegian headbutts, and horrendous hangovers.

  9. It's actually TWO huge data centers by 1sockchuck · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Scottish tidal power project actually involves two huge data center projects. Atlantis is working with Morgan Stanley on a large data center near its planned tidal power generation site in the Pentland Firth. Internet Villages is planning a large data center campus near Dumfries that could eventually include 3 million SF of data center facilities. The alliance will split the responsibiltiies, with Atlantis handling power generation at its own site and a second location nearer the Dumfires project, while IVI will handles the marketing and be responsible for finding customers for both facilities.

  10. Re:Go To Scotland In January by hoover · · Score: 2, Informative

    No wonder if you're a Scot. We travelled Edinburgh a few years ago in early May and as soon as the sun came out, the locals were donning shorts, T-shirts, Kilts and the lassies in short skirts... all at around 5 degs Celsius, brrr ;-)

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  11. not to rain on the parade by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Insightful

    but we have these in new york city in the east river, and one effect of tidal turbines is they increase silting because they slow the tides, possibly requiring the city to dredge at some point

    not that the pentland firth is as shallow or has as many ships as the east river, but what it does have that the east river doesn't (because we killed it) is an ecosystem. slower water speeds changes the balance of natural flora and fauna that depend upon the tides to work at a speed they have worked for eons (filtration, transport, reproductive timing, etc.)

    point being: there is no such thing as truly green energy. any energy source has a negative impact on the environment in one way or another

    there is no such thing as a free lunch

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  12. New Belgium Beer Power by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 2, Informative

    New Belgium, the best large scale beer producer in North America, produced a substantial fraction of its operating electricity through methane collection (and burning) from its waste products. They have a few other nifty energy tricks, too. For instance, most of the time they don't run interior lighting because instead they have reflective light pipes bringing in sunlight from the roof through all the floors of their buildings.

    If you know their flagship beer, it also shouldn't surprise you that a lot of the employees bike to work. Thanks to being in Colorado, that's comfortable more than 300 days a year.

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