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Data-Breach Costs Rising, Study Finds

BobB-nw writes to tell us that a recent study of 43 companies that suffered from data breaches last year showed the total cost of dealing with the breach to have risen to $6.6 million per incident. The cost is about $202 per record compromised for first timers, while the repeat offenders seem to have their mojo down and only suffer about $192 per record. With 88% of all data loss cases for 2008 being traced back to insider negligence it's a wonder that a little upfront money isn't being directed at prevention; guess as soon as they idiot-proof it someone will build a better idiot.

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  1. BS by pondermaster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "$6.6 million per incident"
    Well, that's what they told the insurance company.

    1. Re:BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Data Breaches shouldn't cost that much. I'm sure you could find somebody to breach that data for way less than $202/record.

  2. Corporate Bail Outs by queenb**ch · · Score: 1

    That's how much money is missing from the books that they haven't been able to cook since SOX.

    2 cents,

    QueenB.

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    1. Re:Corporate Bail Outs by Znork · · Score: 4, Informative

      Oh, no worries, cooked books taste just as good with SOX as without. As predicted, SOX hasn't changed jack; take a look at the average financial institution today and they have the vast majority of their liabilities in special purpose off balance sheet vehicles (see, as long as you only own 49% of the subsidiary, and the rest is owned by your cousins neighbours grammas old dog you don't have to bring the liabilities onto your balance sheet).

      And when rules to change that (strongly opposed by Citigroup, etc) were supposed to enter into force last november, it was suddenly 'impractical' and got delayed by the FASB.

      Right, 'impractical' as in 'the banks are insolvent and unless they get to cook their books it's going to be bloody obvious that actual bailout requirements are in the tens of trillions, which might be a bit unpalatable for taxpayers'.

      So SOX has merely added a bunch of expensive administrative crap with no actual extra security for stock holders; they'll get screwed anyway as politically expedient.

  3. "idiot proof" by mcfatboy93 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If they need to try to Idiot-proof a system take out the "Idiot". If these companies hire more technology inclined workers (people who read /.) they they won't have this problem as often.

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    1. Re:"idiot proof" by eln · · Score: 4, Funny

      If they need to try to Idiot-proof a system take out the "Idiot". If these companies hire more technology inclined workers (people who read /.) they they won't have this problem as often.

      Maybe, but then they'd have to deal with everyone putting goatse links all over the company newsletter and sending out gay porn featuring the CEO of the company, so there's a little bit of a downside too.

      On the other hand, most Slashdotters never leave the basement, so you would save on office space.

    2. Re:"idiot proof" by Jurily · · Score: 2, Funny

      If these companies hire more technology inclined workers (people who read /.) they they won't have this problem as often.

      "shut the fuck up (Score:-1, Troll)
      by Anonymous Coward on 2009-02-02 21:34 (#26700021)
      you bunch of slashfaggots don't know anything. shut your fucking mouths and get an education instead of making up a bunch of lies."

      He's going to be the CEO.

    3. Re:"idiot proof" by DrDrink · · Score: 1

      If they need to try to Idiot-proof a system take out the "Idiot". If these companies hire more technology inclined workers (people who read /.) they they won't have this problem as often.

      Maybe, but then they'd have to deal with everyone putting goatse links all over the company newsletter and sending out gay porn featuring the CEO of the company, so there's a little bit of a downside too.

      On the other hand, most Slashdotters never leave the basement, so you would save on office space.

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    4. Re:"idiot proof" by Korin43 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My guess is that it's cheaper to leak confidential data all the time because of incompetence than to hire competent employees.

    5. Re:"idiot proof" by gzipped_tar · · Score: 2, Funny

      and sending out gay porn featuring the CEO of the company

      Featuring the CEO of the company? I say "the CEO and the company"!!!

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    6. Re:"idiot proof" by olddotter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I had an old manager who was both lauded and vilified for once saying "The company needs to hire smarter employees." I think this is part of the price to pay for trying to save on labor costs by hiring people who are almost but not quiet qualified to do their jobs.

    7. Re:"idiot proof" by philspear · · Score: 1

      If they need to try to Idiot-proof a system take out the "Idiot".

      In other words: don't hire idiots.

      If these companies hire more technology inclined workers (people who read /.)...

      In other words: hire idiots.

    8. Re:"idiot proof" by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      No, no, no.....people who just read /. aren't idiots.

      It's the people who comment on /. that are the idiots.

      Oh.....wait.....

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    9. Re:"idiot proof" by philspear · · Score: 1

      I too had a chilling sense of proving my own point unintentionally. Weird huh? Wonder where that was coming from.

      Oops, forgot to make a 1, 2, ??? profit joke.

    10. Re:"idiot proof" by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 1

      It could be that /. is where clever people come to exercise the idiocy that's stifled in the corporate environment. But what would I know, I work from home...

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    11. Re:"idiot proof" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      do you also make big bugs?

  4. Sad thing is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that nearly all of these are caused by companies running WIndows. Be it the server directly, or the client from which the password was stolen, it is costing loads of money. Perhaps it is time to start charging the OS companies for the costs of these insane break-ins when it can be traced to an opening in the OS.

    1. Re:Sad thing is by DavidR1991 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Although I generally agree that Windows is not the "winner" when it comes to running a server (or any business machine) it must be said that correlation is not causation

    2. Re:Sad thing is by jellomizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So who will need to pay me if my Linux box get hacked.
      And yes a poorly configured/administrator Linux system can get hacked into, just as easily as a Windows system.
      The problem is a lot of these places that get hacked have a pathetic Understaffed/underfunded IT team.

      If you can get someone who know hows to use Linux they can normally keep a windows network secure too. But more often then you think these companies are run by the guy who currently knows the most about computers at the time and becomes the IT guy by default.

      That the case if the person who doesn't know what is going on will choose windows by default without any consideration of other platforms. A good IT person may still choose windows for it advantages over Linux but knows where it is week and works to secure those points.

      It isn't the OS it is more who maintains the OS.

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    3. Re:Sad thing is by bit01 · · Score: 1

      It isn't the OS it is more who maintains the OS.

      It is both.

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    4. Re:Sad thing is by gadget+junkie · · Score: 1

      So who will need to pay me if my Linux box get hacked. And yes a poorly configured/administrator Linux system can get hacked into, just as easily as a Windows system. The problem is a lot of these places that get hacked have a pathetic Understaffed/underfunded IT team.

      If you can get someone who know hows to use Linux they can normally keep a windows network secure too. But more often then you think these companies are run by the guy who currently knows the most about computers at the time and becomes the IT guy by default.

      That the case if the person who doesn't know what is going on will choose windows by default without any consideration of other platforms. A good IT person may still choose windows for it advantages over Linux but knows where it is week and works to secure those points.

      It isn't the OS it is more who maintains the OS.

      ...I am "the guy who currently knows the most about computers", So your comment is very pertinent to me. we're a "small" company, it wise, 20 users or so, but anyway there are a couple of considerations worth mentioning:

      as much as i'd like throwing microsoft out of the window, third party software that we need to use is locked into windows. i'll be lucky of I escape the vista nightmare, and keep using win XP, and i'll probably squeal if and when the Ms guys will tell me that they do not support it any more, it's not available as an OEM install and if i use it my eyesight will fall off a cliff, but i'llhave to provide a windows environment;

      as much as i love my Ubuntu, i love playing computer games at home, so I do care for a windows box with win XP. using a combination of firefox/thunderbird, a free antivirus and a hardware firewall, i've never experienced a problem. maybe teaching users some security basics is more important than which operating system you use.

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    5. Re:Sad thing is by vadim_t · · Score: 1

      So who will need to pay me if my Linux box get hacked.

      This argument is retarded. Every single software company, Microsoft included, disclaims liability.

      The only cases I heard of a company getting into actual legal trouble due to their software is with things like Sony where they knowingly made something that was actively malicious.

      I've never heard of a single case of Microsoft or anybody else paying a single cent due to a vulnerability. If they did, MS would be bankrupt by now.

      And yes a poorly configured/administrator Linux system can get hacked into, just as easily as a Windows system.

      This argument reduces to "all OSes have equivalent security, the only difference is the admin", which is also retarded. Just compare the security of say, Win95 and Vista, and tell me which is more likely to get broken into when taken care of by a competent Windows admin. To start with, Win95 isn't supported anymore, so it has unpatched explots. An admin's only way of protecting it is completely denying access to it.

      If you can get someone who know hows to use Linux they can normally keep a windows network secure too.

      And so is this one. Theoretical knowledge of security doesn't equal instant knowledge of practical implications. Securing a Linux box is vastly different form securing a Windows one, and there are many people who know how to do one, but have no clue how to do the other. The services they run are different, the way the firewall is configured is different, the way accounts and permissions are setup is different, the pitfalls are different... things just don't translate well at all from one to the other.

    6. Re:Sad thing is by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      This argument is retarded. Every single software company, Microsoft included, disclaims liability.

      Err Umm... I was responding post that we should charge the OS Company for any security holes. At this point the argument is pointing out a problem with the proposed suggestion from an IT manager point of view. Please try to keep current, and realize proposed ideas are not ideas that are currently in place.

      This argument reduces to "all OSes have equivalent security, the only difference is the admin", which is also retarded. Just compare the security of say, Win95 and Vista, and tell me which is more likely to get broken into when taken care of by a competent Windows admin. To start with, Win95 isn't supported anymore, so it has unpatched explots. An admin's only way of protecting it is completely denying access to it.

      No but they have security in different places. I have seen Unix and Linux systems broken into far more then Windows Systems, in the corporate environment. Why because the Unix and Linux admins got over confident about their OS's Security leaving big gaps open, and being lazy on updates. While the windows systems were properly locked down and secured as it had the impression of being more insecure. Secondly Linux seems to work better even after it was hacked into, so it could be hacked and vulnerable for much longer. Also Linux and Unix systems are actually easier to program client/server apps then windows, having a bunch of thrown together apps quickly made makes more security problems. Even OpenBSD can have security issues. Because everything is so locked down in order to get a service running for the average user they end up turning off half the security features until they can get it to do what they want. It is not always the number of holes but how easy it is to get into one and how much damage you can do with it.

      As for you last bit about the difference in security style. I was stating a Linux admin tends to be more of a Pro then an ad hoc Windows Admin. The Ad Hoc Windows Admin will not even have the theory to back things up. While the Linux admin does. I am not saying a Linux admin is better then a Windows Admin Pro. But a Linux admin is normally a bit more of a pro then a Windows Admin in terms of probability.

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    7. Re:Sad thing is by vadim_t · · Score: 1

      Err Umm... I was responding post that we should charge the OS Company for any security holes. At this point the argument is pointing out a problem with the proposed suggestion from an IT manager point of view. Please try to keep current, and realize proposed ideas are not ideas that are currently in place.

      Ok, fair enough. My mistake.

      No but they have security in different places. I have seen Unix and Linux systems broken into far more then Windows Systems, in the corporate environment.

      This is anectodal evidence, I could easily provide the contrary. Did you know that there are STILL companies that run whole network of Pentium 1 boxes running Win98?

      I don't think this question is as easy to decide as saying that it depends on the admin. Both sides have significant periperhal issues that change the balance. For instance, Windows costs money. Linux can be had for free. Upgrading to a newer Windows version isn't only a question of retraining, but also of the money it costs to upgrade. At some companies this results in using ridiculously old software, because really, some things run perfectly fine on a Pentium 1 with 64MB RAM, and the case for upgrading to Vista is very weak.

      Sometimes the company requires using some ancient device that only has drivers for Win2K which for some reason won't work on XP.

      My point here is, the resulting overall security depends on many factors, some of which are OS related, and some of which aren't. Canonical example of this is for instance that there are more installs of Apache than of IIS, yet IIS gets broken into more often.

      As for you last bit about the difference in security style. I was stating a Linux admin tends to be more of a Pro then an ad hoc Windows Admin. The Ad Hoc Windows Admin will not even have the theory to back things up. While the Linux admin does. I am not saying a Linux admin is better then a Windows Admin Pro. But a Linux admin is normally a bit more of a pro then a Windows Admin in terms of probability.

      Well. I'm not that sure of that. Sure, if I had to secure a Windows box, and IF I was given enough time and resources, I could probably do it better than the kind of admin you speak of. The second "if" is important though. If you need to secure an Exchange server I wouldn't have a clue how. I could figure it out, given enough time, but chances are I'm not going to get it, so you'd have been better off with a proper Windows admin.

  5. As a network admin... by sempiterna · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As a network admin for a mid-sized company, we spend quite a lot of money every year with PCI Compliance, and outside intrusion detection, and our customers want even more every year. It's expensive and quite often a hassle to maintain good security. Many vendors have told us to 'just open it up' or 'Naw,that issue wont cause a problem' We schedule days when our operational servers will be down for windows updates, and our clients yell and scream because they are down. I've not yet found a way to install windows security patches, firewall security patches, and overall general security upgrades without interruption. I sincerely wish our clients would understand that we want to make money also, and keeping the clients happy AND SECURE, makes us money. So we have a reason for rebooting that terminal server once a month.

    1. Re:As a network admin... by DavidR1991 · · Score: 1

      I'm by no means a network admin, and I have zero experience in the field, but is there no way in which the services for each client can be shared across multiple machines, and then the updates can be progressively 'rolled' across each? (i.e. update machine A and restart, whilst leaving the load to machine B and C, do the same to machine B leaving the load to A and C etc.)

      Or is that more prohibitive/expensive to maintain? (I suppose it depends entirely on what machines you're running and what services you provide)

  6. Not suprising at all... by jhfry · · Score: 4, Interesting

    it's a wonder that a little upfront money isn't being directed at prevention

    No it's not... Only in the last few years have management began to look at IT as something more than a "support" department. I have worked in companies where the IT department head reported to the Facilities Management Director (think landscaping and custodial services), who reported to the VP of Finance. Essentially, IT had no influence or budget to speak of, even when we pointed out that we were ripe for the picking when it concerned customer data and trade secrets.

    Jump forward a few years, and now that same company has an VP of Information Technology and an annual IT budget of 4X the Finance department's total budget.

    It's no surprise that it's still taking time to get pro-active expenditures approved. What I'm actually surprised about is that most Presidents/CEO's are actually aware of the risks now. If not for a few recent high profile leaks, most IT departments couldn't get any money for such projects.

    Finally, there is no evidence that upfront money wasn't spent. Most companies just haven't figured out how to adequately secure their data, not for lack of resources or trying, but because there isn't a formula for guaranteed success.

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    1. Re:Not suprising at all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IT people should not be leading this. IT departments are support departments because they are about running standard infrastructure, not assessing business risks. Information security is not primarily about technology.

      Now be a good support drone and lock down the USB ports for us. Except for the VP of Risk - she likes to plug in her Crackberry ;Â)

    2. Re:Not suprising at all... by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Only in the last few years have management began to look at IT as something more than a "support" department. I have worked in companies where the IT department head reported to the Facilities Management Director (think landscaping and custodial services), who reported to the VP of Finance. Essentially, IT had no influence or budget to speak of, even when we pointed out that we were ripe for the picking when it concerned customer data and trade secrets.

      Here's an interesting aside...

      "landscaping and custodial services" are usually responsible for things like broken windows, doors, fixing the air conditioning in the server room, etc. If they ever got it into their heads that they too were directly responsible for the sort of things that keep people from walking into the building at night and wandering off with customer data and trade secrets they too might decide they deserve new titles and a direct line to influence policy and request budgets to increase security.

      IT's role in terms of maintaining infrastructure, deploying hardware, and so on probably belongs in the same category as janitorial.

      Security is separate and really should be kept separate, recognizing that you need IT Security is a good first step, but it doesn't mean necessarily moving your IT department to its own unit is necessary. I would probably start a unit in charge of security -- ALL Security, and have them monitor and interact with IT and janitorial and anyone else to manage security.

    3. Re:Not suprising at all... by tsstahl · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I would probably start a unit in charge of security -- ALL Security, and have them monitor and interact with IT and janitorial and anyone else to manage security.

      Great, so to work for you, in addition to Linux/Windows certs, I now need a Johnson Controls cert, journeyman electricians papers, and an endorsement for use of lethal force?

      Do you really want your net admin to carry a gun and/or taser backed up with a hammer? Just sayin...

    4. Re:Not suprising at all... by CaptCovert · · Score: 1

      That analogy doesn't completely apply, as it assumes that the 'landscaping and custodial services' people were to suddenly step beyond the scope of their responsibilities as is traditionally assigned by management. The problem is, most of the time, management's stance is: Information Security is a computer problem, so IT is responsible.

      I do wholeheartedly agree, however, with the idea of a separated IT/helpdesk team (call it Computer Support, as part of facilities management) and an 'Information Security' team (as part of Security). That would provide a clear delineation of goals and expectations that we don't see these days.

    5. Re:Not suprising at all... by Ironica · · Score: 1

      I would probably start a unit in charge of security -- ALL Security, and have them monitor and interact with IT and janitorial and anyone else to manage security.

      I think it might make sense to have a department (or at least person) that is in charge of developing, distributing, and enforcing policies that have a bearing on all forms of security... but I think you'll have a problem finding someone competent to supervise *both* the physical maintenance and server maintenance staff.

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    6. Re:Not suprising at all... by vux984 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Great, so to work for you, in addition to Linux/Windows certs, I now need a Johnson Controls cert, journeyman electricians papers, and an endorsement for use of lethal force?

      Only if your applying to be a one man security ninja hero or something. It would be far more likely though to have more than one person, each with different areas of expertise.

      Do you really want your net admin to carry a gun and/or taser backed up with a hammer? Just sayin...

      Not at all. But I also don't want my net security team to be part of the same group that fixes broken PCs either. And the guy in charge of physical security... I don't want him fixing broken toilets, or weeding the flower beds.

      That was precisely my original point. That elevating the 'IT department' entirely is a silly move. The people who spend their time finding lost icons for execs, clearing printer jams, and replacing toner and mice, etc actually belong in facilities management reporting to the same guy as the custodial stuff.

    7. Re:Not suprising at all... by vux984 · · Score: 1

      I think it might make sense to have a department (or at least person) that is in charge of developing, distributing, and enforcing policies that have a bearing on all forms of security... but I think you'll have a problem finding someone competent to supervise *both* the physical maintenance and server maintenance staff.

      Just as your CEO is incompetent to do much of anything but is ultimately responsible for seeing that everything gets done -- solution: delegate.

      Delegate overall security to someone with a firm grasp of what real security is (vs security theatre) and who has a good head for risk assessment and return-on-investment, and above all the competence to surround himself with specialized people competent in specific fields of security and you'll be fine.

      Your right that will definitely result in different people managing network and physical security. But working together under one person, you won't spend millions on vault-like physical security while you have a hundred dollar linksys router protecting what's inside... or vice versa.

    8. Re:Not suprising at all... by jhfry · · Score: 1

      This depends on how the organization is structured. Sure you could have a VP who oversees all security related issues, and in some organizations where security is a very high priority it makes sense (banks for example).

      However most small-medium companies don't have significant physical security needs, except perhaps to hire a consultant to assess, recommend, and implement. And maybe contract a security company to patrol or monitor the cameras. These kind of companies need someone with some weight in the IT department, and a VP/CTO/CIO who gives information security some real authority.

      An IT department can be perfectly able to create and manage secure systems without a separate entity telling them what to do... but you do need someone to justify the expenses and policies incurred on the behalf of security concerns. My argument is simply that the recent publicity of data theft/loss has resulted in increased understanding by those who control purse strings... and now that IT departments are starting to have some authority to actually dictate their needs and expect them to be addressed... we will see some improvements made to prevent data loss/theft. Improvements that previously were unfunded or not important enough to address because no one had the ear of upper management.

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    9. Re:Not suprising at all... by Ironica · · Score: 1

      Just as your CEO is incompetent to do much of anything but is ultimately responsible for seeing that everything gets done

      Clearly our physical security needs some work, because you've been spying on our office! ;-)

      Delegate overall security to someone with a firm grasp of what real security is (vs security theatre) and who has a good head for risk assessment and return-on-investment, and above all the competence to surround himself with specialized people competent in specific fields of security and you'll be fine.

      Your right that will definitely result in different people managing network and physical security. But working together under one person, you won't spend millions on vault-like physical security while you have a hundred dollar linksys router protecting what's inside... or vice versa.

      But one issue still remains, which is that while physical security is somewhat intuitive (you can note that it's way too easy for you to walk in after someone else and bypass the card reader, for example), it may be difficult if not impossible to determine whether your information security measures are in place. It takes a different skillset to check for security holes in your network, website, etc.

      Ultimately (and this may be at the heart of that $6.6 million in costs associated with data compromises), an entire company is held hostage to a person or handful of people who *say* they're making data secure. You may never know if they actually do.

      Maybe we need IT security professionals to start being bonded. If you have had a major breach happen on your watch, you'll lose your bond, and have to switch jobs, at least for a while.

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    10. Re:Not suprising at all... by PPH · · Score: 1

      Look at the advantages. You've got only one person to call if your toilets back up or your servers don't.

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  7. negligence by Presto+Vivace · · Score: 2, Insightful

    With 88% of all data loss cases for 2008 being traced back to insider negligence It is getting harder and harder for me to dismiss the possibility that some of this is the result of inside jobs.

    1. Re:negligence by pegr · · Score: 1

      From the Stats-Pulled-From-My-Nether-Regions:

      85% of all system intrusions are inside jobs. Why would this be any different?

  8. Fake Breaches by borawjm · · Score: 1

    Perhaps, the government should conduct fake breaches to teach them a lesson.

    1. Re:Fake Breaches by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      All our sec people are busy doing real ones, we don't have time for stupid fakes!

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  9. At an IT Manager I say this: by erroneus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I find the problem has several facets.

    1. Nearly everything requires Windows
    2. Too many Windows applications want or require administrator privileges
    3. Users like little gadget software so much they think they need them
    4. Microsoft Internet Explorer (need I say more?)

    Malware is ALWAYS an internal network security problem. You can bullet-proof your web site from intrusion all you like but when the threat comes from an internal machine on your network, you're done for. There are lots of ways to address the problem, but none of them make users or executives happy. For much data processing, I'd like to see a return of the green CRT and keyboard. They don't crash (easily) and don't get infected with malware and keyloggers. Sure, they don't tell you what the weather is outside, but this is sensitive/valuable data being processed. We don't WANT those things connected.

    User technology culture is out of hand and does not address technical/functional needs.

    1. Re:At an IT Manager I say this: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously malware on Windows is a huge concern, but Linux isn't going to protect you from platform-agnostic attacks such as SQL injection, lost laptops, hardware keyloggers, etc, all seemingly more prevalent in recent data breaches than malware. The problem is people are stupid/lazy and technology is hard; this is nothing new.

    2. Re:At an IT Manager I say this: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yea every computer in the real world will be vulnerable to those sorts of problems, but it sure has proven to slow down the most common user level breaches by simply containing the stupidity to a particular idiots account.

    3. Re:At an IT Manager I say this: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are looking at it the wrong way.

      Random malware is not a mayor problem regarding data security. They don't target your CRM and try to steal the personal information of your customers.

      Targeted malware may become a problem, but so far it hasn't materialized yet (or has been so targetted that noone has found it yet).

      Here in germany the main cause for data-breaches in the last few months have been problems independant of the operating system.

      17 Million records containing secret phone-numbers and billing information(containing information of many celebrities and polititians e.g. the ex-president of the republic) were stolen by a call-center monkey because the password to the database was contained within the service-application and no one bothered to log access to the db.

      Do you have safeguards in place to identify one of your employees who has accessed the profiles of 10'000 of your customers in the last 30 minutes?

      We all are trying very hard to defend ourselves aigainst evil hackers from outside, but we forget the main threat: the company itself.

  10. Cost by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 3, Funny

    I guess data doesn't just want to be "free" :)

  11. Waiting on the check from Monster.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm still waiting on the payment for loss of confidence from Monster.com. Seems they elected **not** to highlight that during their superbowl ad for some reason.

  12. Repeat offenders? by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

    The cost is about $202 per record compromised for first timers, while the repeat offenders seem to have their mojo down and only suffer about $192 per record.

    What, so now repeat data breachers get a frequent flier discount? No wonder security sucks so bad!!

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  13. Em... by msimm · · Score: 1

    You've probably already tried but technically, good load balancing and redundancy would be the answer (and/or where possible, scrap the funky Winboxen and squeeze in *nix). As a server platform, in my opinion Windows 2003 is still pretty backwards (the OS, not the businesses stuck using it), but if the goal is uptime and you don't have real (often costly) redundancy, down-time is the natural trade-off.

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  14. Only $202 per record? Underestimate! by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

    I suspect that $202 per record is a vast underestimate. One single record compromise could devastate someone's life, so they're obviously not factoring in the end-user cleanup effort required, or the insurance required to cover damages from a (possibly class-action) law suit based on that.

  15. Cracker vs IT staff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    OK, here's the deal. You have options:

    1. You can be the cracker, were you merely need to find one hole in the OS of one server out of 100 at the site, the 100 pieces of software installed on the servers, the firewall, or any other device or piece of software on the network to get a foot in the door. Or more likely, you just need to social engineer to get the 20% of users who don't have a clue to do your work for you. In other words 3 months of casing the joint, infinite payoffs.

    2. Or you can be the IT staff who need to work about 200 hours a week to keep up with new security holes, zero day exploits, patches for the OS, patches for all the software, testing all the 1000 patches a week before deploying to the working environment, installing software for users who aren't admins (which means constant interruptions during the day, then refusals of installs when you actually have time to do it), training of users, logging every visit to the server room, checking event logs on 100 servers and the firewall, getting through the events to actually find valid information, going through event logs on 10 IDS systems which are placed at all the switches, going through the firewall at the remote 7 offices, visiting your users homes who remote in from there, sleeping over at the 10 bosses houses because they all have to VPN from their home with no anti-virus installed, etc. So after you get divorced and die of a heart attack, you can expect to be spat on by upper management when it's time to ask for some money to hire some help. Yeah, give it to meeeeeee!

    3. You can do the most important aspects of your job in the IT dept, and hope that you aren't a target of a serious cracker.

    1. Re:Cracker vs IT staff by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      So duck an cover is the strategy again? Teach snakeoil and hope you won't be caught in the fallout?

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  16. cost of data vs. breach by layer3switch · · Score: 1

    single break-in can cost days (if not weeks) worth of business disruption/outage, or even secondary/failover site can add up to annual budget.

    while cost of data can vary, breach in itself is very costly. in the article, user records cost/value seemed to be cost factor (emphasizing "per incident"), what about aftermath? i'm sure total cost is not as small as figure shown in the article, given that at least for proper preventive measure has been implemented after "first" incident.

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  17. ERROR = ID10T by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I do a lot of teaching companies (employees) about security, and I do a lot of teaching of people about personal safety...these are fun for me and they are very informative for others...
    One thing I teach is that you can never idiot proof or child proof or [insert favorite item here] proof anything.
    It is a constant thing that people have to do and be mindful of...it is called education. I educate people about security at work and home, I educate children about "strangers" and firearms...
    One thing that can be done is to make people more responsible.
    If the data breaches are being traced back to employee negligence, it isn't because someone failed to make it idiot proof, it is because someone failed to educate the idiot...
    We don't need smarter programs and more restrictions, we need smarter people. period.

    1. Re:ERROR = ID10T by lamapper · · Score: 1

      ...We don't need smarter programs and more restrictions, we need smarter people. period.

      And that smarter person that you hired needs to be allowed to use their brain when performing their job.

      Also they must be given time to do the job right. Are your deadlines honestly realistic? If an Agile company, is your velocity realistically maintainable over time without burning out your staff?

      I remember one site where the schedule was created by a big 5 accounting firm; where the consultants were working 12 - 14 hour days and living out of a hotel room, their family was not in the same city. They were paid for every hour of course.

      When the project was finally turned over to the company employees, the schedule was kept at the same pace yet those employees lived with their families in town and were only paid for an 8 hour day, even though overtime was expected by all if the project was perceived to be slipping. It was unacceptable to slip the schedule for any reasons, even valid ones.

      I saw the writing on the wall and found a better opportunity real fast, gave my two weeks notice and never looked back...even have good references from the job as with all my positions.

      I have no problem with working hard and typically put in 50 - 60 hour weeks as a rule, rare is the week where I only work 40 hours.

      At one consulting site, where I was paid for every hour that I worked thank goodness, I burned myself out on 65 - 70 hour weeks. Since I was living out of a hotel out of town, away from my family, I could work those long hours without further negatively impacting them. However had I been at home, there is no way I could have worked that kind of scheduled and still had a family.

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  18. who pays? by brre · · Score: 1
    Probably the costs of data breaches are about the same as they've been for years.

    What may be rising is the share of that cost shouldered by the companies that make money by warehousing data about individuals, as compared to the share shouldered by the individuals concerned. If that's true, that would be wonderful. It would create the right incentive for said companies to get real about data security.

  19. load balancing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've not yet found a way to install windows security patches, firewall security patches, and overall general security upgrades without interruption.

    Have two servers (physical or VMs) that each handle 50% of the load. Fail over everything to side B, patch side A. Fail over to side A and see if things are working properly. If the patch didn't break anything patch side B. Once its functionality has been confirmed go back to a 50/50 split.

    This is how the telco industry handles phone switches (and just about everything else in their system) and it's worked pretty well for decades.

    The only issue is purchases the two sides, which makes things a bit more expensive.

  20. With a little luck... by Anachragnome · · Score: 1

    ...data will actually become more of a liability for these companies, and maybe, just maybe, we will finally see the end of data-mining browser bars being included in everything under the sun.

  21. Teach, teach and teach by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    And require your workers to learn. That's the quintessential base for security. You can employ the tightest security standards if your users are not able to see a problem in a security breach.

    What people do not understand, they will not take serious. It's the "can't someone else do it" attitude that causes the problem. Not the lack of /. readers in business positions. An IT person cannot replace an auditor, and, frankly, I'd be rather found dead than in an auditor's position.

    People, especially in the leading positions, have to understand that a nominal knowledge of IT security becomes more and more critical for people working with computers. As much as a nominal knowledge of office software has become a requirement for office workers, IT security knowledge will become a requirement. People will not be required to be able to build VPN tunnels, but they have to understand why using them is important.

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  22. Trust, easy to lose, hard to earn...still no wake by lamapper · · Score: 1

    Its all about TRUST!

    Its all about TRUST! Once lost, trust is very difficult to rebuild. Since many businesses simply refuse to change their business practices, I am of the opinion that too many simply do NOT understand that. If they did, they would make sure that they did NOT get hit the first time. Which means hiring qualified professionals and giving them the time to do the job right!.

    Just last week I was offered a System Administration job at a company not too far from me. I was told that they were they had been in business for over 10 years and where the Cadillac of the web server hosting business. They really focused on their customers needs, unlike a company, she called them by name , I do NOT like them however still do not see the reason to state their name, that advertises during the Super Bowl.

    I did not laugh when she offered me a rate that was $28 less per hour than what current jobs are paying in my area now, even with this economy. I did not mention that the rate was $12.00 per hour less than what I was paid to do the equivalent job at a company in the mid 1980s. My guess is that whoever they hire will be on call 24/7 and will be responsible for their server security in short order. They probably will not be allowed time to monitor those servers for Break Ins either. Just too few people and too much work. Oh and you can bet that they are not hiring additional bodies, just because they are getting them at a lower rate. And were I live it is not considered cheaper to live than most other areas of the country.

    The would be smarter to re evaluate all their hardware and software licensing and annual renewals to see how much they could save by replacing them with effective open source and FOSS solutions.

    In this specific case, I am confidant that the company will get what they are willing to pay for. And when the economy turns around, which it will do eventually, whoever they hire will be the first to leave them and they will be starting all over again. And that is their upside; their downside is getting hit by crackers and losing their customers trust.

    Actions speak louder than words.

    So many companies will pay lip service to so many things that they claim are important, yet when it comes time to do the right thing, they do NOT. The proof is always in their actions, regardless of their words, whether verbal or on paper, business cards and news releases.

    Its more expensive to get a new customer than retain an existing customer.

    They will say that it is harder (and more expensive) to get a a new customer, than keep an existing customer. Yet their business policies, specifically their customer no service response to their customers problems say otherwise. Are there any companies that do NOT fall in this category today, as I would like to seek employment with them as they are obviously in business for the long haul. (And if I can Google the company name + (problem or fraud or issue) OR if they have too many problems listed on Ripoff Reports, please do NOT suggest to me or anyone else that they are not customer â" no â" service â" entities.)

    At least with Ripoff Reports, when a company gets listed it is forever, they can respond to the complaint; however unlike the most Better Business Bureaus, the company can NOT pay to have the incident closed. Note: Often the person making the complaint to the BBB is not a member, however the company can be, is encouraged to be or is.

    The customer is almost always right!

    The customer is always right. Personally I do not believe this is true, yet have followed th

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  23. Re:Only $202 per record? Underestimate! by giafly · · Score: 1

    Remember that "compromised" does not only mean "used by criminals". It also applies to all those millions of accounts on CDs or DVDs genuinely lost in the post, where the data is never used. In these cases the per-record cost is low, so it brings down the average.

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  24. Re:Trust, easy to lose, hard to earn...still no wa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh man, I feel you..

    I've seen this BS as well - go for the cheapest, and then complain when it collapses around your ears. I worked for a company with mismanagement which caused the revolving door effect, and what do you think HR did? They developed a process so they could push people out of the door by alleging bad performance, thus saving redundancy money - casually ignoring the fact that training a replacement costs about 1..2x their annual salary in lost time, effort taken up from others and general admin - and that's not counting the risk of competitive information leaving with the people involved. But I guess it's easier to lick up to management than to fix the problem, because that takes honest talk and a functional personality that does not confuse wearing a suit with the presence of intelligent thought.

    The problem is that the clued up ones then take you to court, and even with an out of court settlement (because you cannot possibly win this) people will talk. I left pretty soon on my own terms, but I heard of an ex colleague who was not allowed to leave the meeting room until he had underwritten some document. So he had the police come in and interrogate the idiot for wrongful imprisonment - that settlement costed the company dearly.

    Anyway, I'm through with cheapskates and idiots. I now work as an independent for very high grade people who care about quality, not cost (withing sensible limits, of course) and my reputation and the trust I am granted is now something *I* control, not some flunky in an office who has been tasked by his superior to flog the troops some more because he needs a new Rolls.

    There's an entertaining side effect to this: I now influence the clients of this former company, and it means quality is back on the agenda. For which they don't have the people. Payback is a bitch..

  25. Re:Only $202 per record? Underestimate! by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

    Yes, but how do you KNOW the data is never used? I could receive one of those CDs, sit on it for five years, then take someone's life savings.

  26. Re:Trust, easy to lose, hard to earn...still no wa by lamapper · · Score: 1

    They developed a process ...

    I am sure they called it something fancy too, lmao...thanks for the laugh, still smiling as I type this.

    Anyway, I'm through with cheapskates and idiots. I now work as an independent for very high grade people who care about quality, not cost (withing sensible limits, of course) and my reputation and the trust I am granted is now something *I* control, not some flunky in an office who has been tasked by his superior to flog the troops some more because he needs a new Rolls.

    Congrats on finally getting there and I hope that you are able to maintain it through the foreseeable future, something tells me that you will.

    Hey companies hiring tech workers. Take a good look at your requirements in your job posting. Are you expecting a Senior level person but paying at a Junior level rate?

    Are you listing 20 years worth of requirements but looking for someone with a minimum of three years of experience?

    Are you looking for a paper tiger? (Certifications that are either unnecessary or that have nothing to do with the actual job that the person is performing for the company; or making any specific certification a MUST have instead of considering equivalent experience.)

    Are you looking for someone with 5 years of experience with a technology that has only been out of the labs for two years or less? (I have personally seen this with a new application or new development tool / language more than once, I make sure to give the consulting company a heads up that they can NOT get a person with that many years of experience as the new tool was NOT in development for that long, much less released to the public for consumption for more than a year. I always wondered if any of them ever gave a heads up to the hiring company or not. I know I got a laugh out of it.)

    Most important, if you are in Human Resources and you want to save your company some money by bringing in a Junior person at a little (not massively lower) lower rate to save the company some money, how about reducing the number of years of experience to only 1 or at most two for any one requirement; or better yet state outright that you are looking for someone with no experience with a specific skill but equivalent experiences (X language development experience preferred) and train them up. Push some pressure back on Management and suggest to them that they could help you save the company some money by working up a technical training program for new hires in their department. And than make sure that the new hires are spending at least 20% of their time actually being trained by the Manager. (Or even better than that, encourage the Manager to work with the more Senior member of their team for a specific technical skill and have that Senior development person develop a training program for the skill they have mastered and get the entire team cross trained and new hires up to speed faster! Talk about team building at its best.) Have your Senior team members develop tasks that will help a new hire come up to speed on the applications and systems that are critical to your company. This would benefit even experienced professionals at coming up to speed quickly as a new hire.

    While this seems pretty basic to most of you reading this, based on my personal experience I have rarely seen this type of coming up to speed for new hire training programs unless I implemented myself as the Manager or Senior member of the team.

    When I first started in IT, there were those that thought by hoarding knowledge it gave them power over others and/or the company. At one company the IT shop was split between three Managers, one was attempting to force everyone to sign out the 7, 8 and 9 track tapes (yeppers it was a mainframe environment back in the late 70s) thus he controlled them. What he did not know is that the System P

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