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Second Netbook Wave Begins

nerdyH writes "Asus is taking pre-orders for a netbook based on Intel's second-generation platform, the secret-shrouded N280/GN40 chipset. Early product specs confirm that the second wave of netbooks are likely to offer faster graphics and lower power use, along with room for much, much larger batteries. The N280 apparently integrates the northbridge and CPU, meaning that the GPU moves to 45nm process technology, the FSB gets replaced by an on-chip interconnect, and overall board real-estate drops to a third of what it was previously — hence the ability to stuff an 8,700mAh battery into a 3-lb. device. The right shift key is slightly bigger, too, though still no trackpoint pointer (guess I'll keep waiting)."

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  1. No thanks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'll wait for the Apple idea of a NetBook. It will change everything.

    1. Re:No thanks. by MrEricSir · · Score: 5, Funny

      Will it change diapers?

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    2. Re:No thanks. by macraig · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you're old enough to ask that question and be dreaming of netbooks, I think you can change your own damned diapers, young man!

    3. Re:No thanks. by bcrowell · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Seriously. Asus kept promising low price, but what they kept delivering was higher performance. The article says, According to Asus, the PC 1000HE will be available "soon" for approximately $400. Following the pattern they've always followed, that means it will actually sell for $800. What would have been really revolutionary would have been a $100 laptop -- but OLPC screwed up, and Asus decided to head up instead of down. If Asus had actually followed through on their original plans to deliver these things at low prices, we'd be seeing the imminent death of Microsoft. As it is, there may be some downward price pressure on Windows, but not enough to make MS surrender a whole sector of the market and allow Linux to move beyond the 1% share of the desktop where it's been stagnating for years now.

    4. Re:No thanks. by jmorris42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > Following the pattern they've always followed, that means it will actually sell for $800.

      Nope, it is already showing up for preorder at or below the MSRP.

      > If Asus had actually followed through on their original plans to deliver
      > these things at low prices, we'd be seeing the imminent death of Microsoft.

      Don't look to ASUS for that. The origional EEE was a joint venture with Intel and seeing as they are introducing the first product with this new chip they are still bound to em. To really cut the price is going to require ARM based products.

      Which means the low end is going to be left to others. Coby was showing product at CES with $139 MSRP but it is believed to be the older MIPS stuff. Be patient, if somebody can get a product designed that doesn't suck, built in quantity and fight the fierce resistance Intel and Microsoft will throw up to block the normal retail channels.... Xmas '09 will redefine what people think of a laptop/netbook. Just don't look for it in Best Buy.

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    5. Re:No thanks. by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What happened to those ultra cheap ARM laptops we were hearing about awhile back, that is what I want to know. While I agree that a $150-$200 x86 laptop would be the hot product, especially in this economy, I just don't see that happening without some competition. After all, both the major laptop manufacturers and Intel would probably like the Netbook market to either die or become like what ASUS is pushing, which is just full priced crappy little laptops.

      But seeing as how most of the folks using a Netbook are mainly using it as a "browser in a box" and with an ARM CPU you should be able to get great battery life with decent performance the ARM based Netbooks could take a chunk of the market, especially if they hit the under $150 price point. After all there are already ARM based distros ready to go, there are programs that will let you edit a doc on a ARM based machines, and as long as the browser lets you surf the web and check your webmail most folks I know would be happy little campers. And the ARM processors out there can be had VERY cheaply, and with the scale of making a product like a Netbook the price will only go down. The screens are getting cheaper by the day, ditto for SSD storage, and Linux means no MSFT tax.

      So what happened? Where the hell are they? If they get them out in the $125-175 range I would have NO problem selling them to the local college kids as a "browser in a box" which they could throw in their backpack and check their email and IM with. But I haven't heard diddly squat past the original announcements. Being an underdog and not already having established laptops to compete against in house(unlike ASUS) they would have reason to go low on price to capture market share. And in this economy cheap price beats just about anything. So where in the hell are they?

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    6. Re:No thanks. by EvilNTUser · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I could still live with the slightly higher price, since many other products, like graphics cards, use perfectly acceptable previous generation products for the low end.

      What I don't understand is the push for ever bigger screens and storage. The 900-series could be even smaller, but is optimized for an acceptably large keyboard and display, and that's ok. A 10" hd-based laptop however, is not what I would consider a netbook anymore. The whole point is maximum portability. That means 7-9" screen and a flash drive.

      Adding insult to injury, they don't even use the size to support a bigger resolution, and have removed the respected ASUS brand in favor of the childish Eee logo. No thanks.

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  2. A bit too heavy IMHO... by JickL · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1.45 kg is just slightly too much in my opinion. I love my 701 weighing in at just over 900 grams, I'd prefer a model weighing 1.3 kg or less. But that's just me! Also why aren't we seeing huge batteries like these in the cheap 15-inch laptops that would really need them? This pretty much proves that it can't be the cost that's prohibitive.

    1. Re:A bit too heavy IMHO... by denzacar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      1.45 kg is just slightly too much in my opinion. I love my 701 weighing in at just over 900 grams, I'd prefer a model weighing 1.3 kg or less.

      Yeah... cause lugging around the extra weight equivalent of couple of Mars bars is more than anyone should be forced to endure.

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    2. Re:A bit too heavy IMHO... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Interesting

      1.45 kg is just slightly too much in my opinion. I love my 701 weighing in at just over 900 grams, I'd prefer a model weighing 1.3 kg or less.

      Yeah... cause lugging around the extra weight equivalent of couple of Mars bars is more than anyone should be forced to endure.

      It all adds up. I can take my 701 to work on my bike. Carrying a load momentum is the real problem, not weight. For me the 701 belongs with my multimeter and GPS. Its an instrument, just not as specialised as the others.

    3. Re:A bit too heavy IMHO... by Firehed · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes, there are probably more important things to be discussing right now.

      Why yes- a measurement in either Snickers or Reese's Cups would be greatly appreciated.

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    4. Re:A bit too heavy IMHO... by Hal_Porter · · Score: 5, Funny

      If netbooks continue to grow like this, in a mere ten generations they will weigh 158Kg. Clearly the government should intervene and legislate a maximum weight of 100kg.

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    5. Re:A bit too heavy IMHO... by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 5, Funny

      And he did it uphill both way! Get off his lawn!

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  3. Glad the Northbridge is Integrated by lobiusmoop · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's always been kind-of annoying knowing that in a lot of netbooks, the super-efficient 2W Atom processor was paired with a clunky old 6W 945 chipset. Such a waste of battery life.

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    1. Re:Glad the Northbridge is Integrated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ive been pretty impressed with the life Ive gotten out of my Eee 900a

      You should get the keyboard replaced before the warranty expires.

  4. Tag by hax0r_this · · Score: 4, Funny

    Someone should tag this "clitmouse".

    Just saying.

    1. Re:Tag by Chabo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Obligatory link:

      http://xkcd.com/243/

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  5. What I want to know is by fireman+sam · · Score: 4, Funny

    Who decided to use touch pads in these netbooks. Why not go with the more controllable clit mouse. Much more pleasurable to use - for both the user and the computer. I refuse to purchase a new laptop/netbook unless it has the clit mouse. Also, the touch pad wastes too much realestate.

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    1. Re:What I want to know is by wjh31 · · Score: 4, Funny

      because most people wouldnt be able to find it

    2. Re:What I want to know is by larry+bagina · · Score: 5, Funny

      I tried that with your mom, but she freaked out

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  6. Netbooks are the future. by darkmeridian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A five-hundred dollar, three pound netbook with a ten inch screen, over five hours of battery life, and an integrated 3G wireless card would make regular laptops obsolete for most consumers. You can check your e-mail and word process, and edit photos. That is what most people need.

    I currently have a Dell Mini 9 I bought for $265. It has a four hour battery life and is really snappy with Ubuntu 8.10. I use it to check my e-mail. The only downside is the weak graphics, but the new Intel chipset supposedly processes HD video on board.

    I cannot wait to get one of the second gen netbooks.

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    1. Re:Netbooks are the future. by jcaplan · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yep, I almost submitted the same post. But then I checked my facts.

      It turns out that the graphics in this new Asus Eee 1000HE netbook is based on Intel's GMA 950 core, which is integrated into the new Atom N280 core. The recent news (http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/31/1859200 ) was about the GMA 500, which has been in some recent Dell Netbooks. The 950 seems to be in the GMA 900 family, with good old Intel technology and hopefully reasonable Linux drivers.

      Sorry, but that egg was *so* close to being on my face!

  7. No, it's part of the third wave. by Dzimas · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The eee PC 701 was the prototypical first-gen netbook (awkwardly cramped 7" screen and as little as 2 GB flash memory). Machines like the eee PC 901 and Acer Aspire One were part of the extremely successful second-gen (8.9" screens, 8 GB to 32 GB flash memory or up to 160 GB HD + XP or a Vista Neutered option). The new chipset (along with 10" screenage) belongs to the third generation.

  8. Re:this is slashdot by Malevolyn · · Score: 4, Funny

    I demand newton meters to confuse the masses!

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  9. Re:For those that missed it... Thevideo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Solution: don't read youtube comments, they rot your brain.

  10. Re:For those that missed it... Thevideo by moniker127 · · Score: 5, Funny

    You say this in a slashdot comment?

  11. Re:HDMI and DVI? by jim_deane · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I know lots of old displays still use DSub VGA but when can I get one with HDMI?

    It'd be really cool if I could just hook this up to a digital TV which everyone seems to have these days.

    Wow. Full circle...from plugging my TRS-80 MC-10 into the television, through several generations of specialized monitors, to the "wonder" of watching TV/video on the computer screen, and now back to plugging the computer into the TV.

  12. Re:Mod parent up by jmorris42 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    > I'm sure you're right about the Wintel cohort putting all their collective muscle into
    > stopping anything like that from happening though.

    Which is why the MIPS based units designed and pushed by Chinese only vendors aren't getting anywhere after almost a year of units being available to buy in bulk. The ARM efforts have several advantages. First they are faster, better tech. They can probably really do HD video and a Flash player is known to exist for ARM so a full browser experience is possible. More important is several Western/US chipmakers see a multi-billion dollar opportunity if they can leverage smartphone chips up a notch to compete in the netbook space. Broadcom, TI, Nokia, etc aren't exactly on the same playing field with Intel and Microsoft but they have enough marketing muscle and existing presence in the retail channels to avoid being locked totally out of the store shelves. Now imagine what happens when these vendors who already have good relationships with the cell carriers pitch bundling deals. Imagine the fireworks should AT&T offer up a free ARM netbook with a service plan.

    All that has ever been needed to blow the Windows monopoly to smitheens is for a critical mass of customers to realize they can survive without Windows/Office. Putting tens of millions of ARM+Linux netbooks in the field just might do the trick. No Windows wouldn't vanish but their ability to command monopoly prices would be forever smashed and that would end their cash cow, without which they would lack the ability to cause much mischief.

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