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HP Releases New Netbook GUI For Ubuntu

dan of the north writes to tell us that a new custom version of Ubuntu aimed at netbooks and based on 8.04 Hardy Heron has been released by HP. Targeted to the HP Mini 1000 Mi, the netbook customization comes complete with OpenOffice, Firefox, Thunderbird, Sunbird, Pidgin, and a few others. "Overall, HP has created one of the best thought out Linux interfaces for netbooks. The software is designed so that users who have never used Linux should have no trouble performing basic tasks. But experienced Linux users can always fire up a terminal window by hitting Alt+F2 and entering 'gnome-terminal.'"

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  1. FOSS At Its Best by phantomcircuit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    HP has taken a solid product improved it and is using it to improve the value of it's own product.

    Everybody involved benefits (except microsoft...).

    1. Re:FOSS At Its Best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I would. Taking a free resource and creating a GUI to make what your customers want easier to do and more easier to understand is far from a bad thing. It's an improvement to get more attention and more computers on linux.

      This would be perfect for older generations who do not understand the difference in computers and really only understand what they can do with the software that boots up and opens in front of them. Having something like this for an older parent might be all they need and might make their computer use more efficient. For those of us like me... I still want to be able to do everything and never have it change... most of "us" realize we're a bit too picky at times.

    2. Re:FOSS At Its Best by Hordeking · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh, stop with this older generation stuff...

      Those days are past. There are precious few parents old enough such that they have not gleaned any experience with computers by now. Those that haven't are well into their 80s and have more than likely lost interest in anything but pictures of grand kids.

      Well, maybe not grandparents, but people who don't want to learn, or maybe aren't tech inclined. My grandfather is somewhat decent with computers, but my parents can barely click a mouse (even when told to, they ask "what?" and click slowly). I've run into lots of 20-somethings who can barely do anything besides open the default word processor (my girlfriend comes to mind). It's not an age thing.

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    3. Re:FOSS At Its Best by Jurily · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Having something like this for an older parent might be all they need and might make their computer use more efficient. For those of us like me... I still want to be able to do everything and never have it change... most of "us" realize we're a bit too picky at times.

      The two things I need is a decent taskbar and Alt+F2 for "Run...". This one has it, so it's perfect.

  2. Pretty cool, actually by CannonballHead · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Frankly, it makes sense that a computer system company (HP, Dell, etc) would actively pursue releasing a linux distro that works well/specifically designed to work well with their specific hardware, etc. (I presume this is going to include drivers for all of the included hardware in the mini), and is "easy" to use and looks good...

    I'm surprised more companies haven't done this, actually.

    1. Re:Pretty cool, actually by Red+Flayer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Frankly, it makes sense that a computer system company (HP, Dell, etc) would actively pursue releasing a linux distro that works well/specifically designed to work well with their specific hardware, etc. (I presume this is going to include drivers for all of the included hardware in the mini), and is "easy" to use and looks good...

      S/LINUX/UNIX

      What, like Apple?

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    2. Re:Pretty cool, actually by Red+Flayer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I was just making the point that the OP shouldn't have been surprised that a company would choose to tweak on OS to run well on the hardware they sell. This is the crux of Apple's computer business model.

      Apples are easy to use, and optimised for certain tasks... and this is possible because Apple only has to deal with a very limited set of hardware components and configurations.

      HP contributing to a Linux distro in order to optimise for their particular hardware configuration is similar to what Apple did.

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    3. Re:Pretty cool, actually by nine-times · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apple is a bit different in that they have a proprietary OS that they license only for specific hardware (isn't that still the way it is? or no? I could be behind the times here).

      Not exactly-- really it depends a bit on what you consider the "OS" to be. The underlying OS is open source, and "free" in the FSF sense. The graphical layer that runs on top is proprietary and only licensed to be installed on Apple hardware. You can take their OS and replace the graphical layer with X11 and Gnome, and the whole thing runs.

      Now a lot of people would say this is splitting hairs, saying that since you can't run OSX apps on a "free" system, you can't say the OS in "free". It's a valid objection. However, I still think it's noteworthy that code for the kernel and lots of other stuff is available to developer to look at and copy.

      I also just generally dislike the "I'm cool, I have an Apple. I'm artsy. PC users automatically get -5 points for using a PC even if their [music, art, web design] is great."

      Me too, I guess, insofar as there are Apple users who act that way. I don't let it stop me from using a Mac when it happens to be the best tool for the job (which sometimes it is, and sometimes it isn't). Also, lots of Mac users aren't really like that. A fair amount these days are normal computer geeks who just happen to want a Unix system that is also formally supported by Photoshop (or some similar needs).

      But really, we're straying off course a bit here.

    4. Re:Pretty cool, actually by nine-times · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm surprised more companies haven't done this, actually.

      It's not that surprising when you consider that Microsoft has made a practice or retaliating against OEMs who sell non-MS systems. I don't have good citations here, but I remember reading that Microsoft used to put things in their deals like, "If you advertise or openly sell non-MS desktop systems, we'll raise the cost of your OEM versions of Windows $X per copy." Even if X is a pretty small number, it can add up to be a lot of money for big OEMs.

    5. Re:Pretty cool, actually by CannonballHead · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Except HP is not, as far as I can tell from NOT RTA, selling their Ubuntu based Linux distro and allowing people to only use it on HP Minis.

  3. Re:Not in the UK by bahstid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    yeah, strangely just before this I was reading that the year-old HP mini 2133 is the only HP laptop in the UK which uses Linux ...at least you'll be able to get one that looks like a handbag though...

  4. Re:Why 8.04? by moosesocks · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just guessing, but 8.04 is a Long-Term-Support release.

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  5. And it won't even... by arhhook · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It won't even come bundled with toolbars, trials, demos, etc that their Windows computers come bundled with.

    This is excellent to see.

  6. Re:Win+R by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From an ergonomic standpoint, "ALT+F2" is easier to press in almost all scenarios than "Windows Key+R"

    If you hunt-and-peck:
    - ALT+F2: Thumb on alt, Index finger on F2. One does not need to bend their wrists upwards
    - WIN+R: Thumb on Win, index on R. One has to rotate wrist, elbow, and shoulder.

    If you use home row:
    - ALT+F2: Same as the hunt-and-peck
    - WIN+R: Bending either the left or right thumb inwards, extending index finger to the R key.

    If you have a DVORAK layout:
    - ALT+F2: No fucking clue, I don't use DVORAK keyboards because the name reminds me of John Dvorak.
    - WIN+R: Same as above

  7. Its about time.... by mlwmohawk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For almost 25 years Microsoft has been dictating the OS and hardware for personal computers. Both consumers and producers alike have suffered.

    Better systems not supported by Microsoft languished.

    Companies with really good ideas run bankrupt when Microsoft copies them and incorporates their knock-off into DOS/Windows.

    Before Microsoft, system companies competed on features and support. These days everything is about price and with "windows" being the price point, the HPs and Dells of the world have to play ball with Microsoft.

    If, however, the Windows stranglehold can be weakened in that people accept that they don't NEED windows, then that opens opportunity for Linux and other systems.

    It is about time the OEMs started flexing their muscle. Once they free themselves, they opportunities will grow!! Economic growth for sure!

  8. Re:Excellent! by nine-times · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, I've sort of been waiting for this. It makes a lot of sense to me that OEMs would want their pre-installed OS to be something that they could control completely, even if they don't technically "own" it.

    Once upon a time, every computer company came out with their own hardware and software package. You had Apple, IBM, Commodore, etc. Some of the reason that everyone came out with their own software was because they weren't allowed to just take each others' software, but some of it was also that they each had different ideas about what was important.

    That model fell apart because it was too expensive for everyone to develop everything themselves from scratch, and also because it was too annoying to deal with all the incompatibilities. However, by turning to Microsoft as an alternate solution, everyone sacrificed a lot of power and control over their own products.

    Now that there are credible FOSS operating systems just sitting around waiting to be used, the problems of "starting from scratch" and "dealing with incompatibilities" are pretty much gone. If I were running Dell or HP, I would have had people working on custom/rebranded Linux or BSD distributions for several years already, including packaging systems and servers that would allow my company to control updates too.

  9. Re:FOSS Humiliated By HP by Toonol · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But the only reason HP even attempted to go in and fix all the niggardly little details was because FOSS programmers built a whole operating system for them to use. This seems like everything is working just the way it's supposed to, to everybody's benefit. Linux is getting improvements from both ends.

  10. Re:A way to unseat Windows dominance by linhares · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not only netbooks. Anything below the $400 price point can't afford $30+ if there's a cheaper alternative. Probably some larger laptops (13"?) will use atoms of via nanos and drop the dvd. With more space, they could run cooler and get even cheaper parts. Anything below $250 cannot afford $30+ for windows. All the upcoming ***tops below $250 will run linux, I bet.

  11. black GUIs... by greenarrow7 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    black GUIs look great until you want to either:
    a. use the internet
    b. edit any kind of document

    At this point you have to either:
    a. get blinded everytime you use google
    b:
    import internet
    internet.colour = not internet.colour

  12. Re:Excellent! by Risen888 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ancient, ancient, tired troll. Go to bed, troll.

    You can't put a Playstation game in a Wii. And yet they sell both Playstations and Wiis. It's fucking amazing.

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  13. Re:Why A New UI? by gujo-odori · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Probably because the number of halfway competent users is far, far less than half the number of users :p