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Canadian Labour Congress Considers Reversal On IP Policy

An anonymous reader writes "The Canadian Labour Congress is considering a dramatic reversal of its stance on copyright and IP policy. CLC is comparable to the US AFL-CIO, but Canada is over 30% unionized. The campaign 'we must change copyright and IP law to fight evil counterfeiters and copyright pirates' is actually succeeding in Canada. Quoting the CLC's new policy resolution: '... this critical issue requires a far-reaching response involving legislative and regulatory reform, policy change, and allocation of proper resources to combat the problems. The Canadian government must be given the structure and resources to mount a sustained attack on this pervasive problem, both within Canada and internationally. The criminal and civil laws in Canada must provide adequate deterrence. And consumers must be educated that counterfeiting and piracy are not victimless, nuisance crimes, but instead strike at the heart of our long term economic security.'"

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  1. Re:Utter Crap by EdIII · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    If the average person has 10 pieces of gold total to spend 1 piece of gold each on copyrighted works and instead pirates 1,000 different copyrighted works, you cannot say that the market lost 1,000 pieces of gold. That's just common sense.

    It's also total strawman.

    The most prolific use of the strawman logical fallacy, is the strawman logical fallacy itself. Your assertion that it is so, does not make my statement any less valid. What I have stated is a FACT. Additionally, it is not a position that I am merely attributing to my "opponent". That is the actual position of copyright holders, as it has been stated many times by those claiming to represent their interests. I have refuted with logic, the position of my "opponent". My statement never met the requirements of a strawman logical fallacy, and therefore, cannot be one.

    Don't try using the strawmen argument against somebody that actually knows what it means, especially when you should know it did not apply to this situation in the first place as you agreed with position and did not even refute it.

    Meanwhile, back at the ranch........

    If your going to evaluate the loss of revenue that piracy has caused, you MUST consider the actual purchasing power of consumers in your market. When you claim losses that exceed the purchasing power of your consumers, it is ludicrous. At the point, everyone SHOULD ignore your pleas for help since there is no logic and/or truth to your arguments.

    Consider the piracy of software, for instance. Let's take...ooh, I don't know, err...Photoshop for instance. Massively pirated, and pretty expensive. You might correctly say that should I pirate a copy of Photoshop, Adobe has not lost a sale of Photoshop since I was never going to buy it anyway.

    Ummm, exactly my point. Yet, this fact does not stop Adobe from claiming that as a financial loss and misrepresenting the lie to further their own goals.

    This is too simplistic though. I wasn't going to buy Photoshop, so what could I have done? I could have used any of a number of other programs - Adobe's cut-down versions, on my platform (Mac) I could have used Pixelmator. I could have used Paintshop Pro on Windows, I could have started using GIMP or derivatives (I like Seashore myself - GIMP with a more familiar interface). All those applications are quite definitely within my reach, and whilst it's true they don't have the full capabilities of Photoshop if I needed that level of control it's not unreasonable to expect me to pay for it.

    It's not simplistic. Your point does not represent a complexity that I have purposefully overlooked as it would detract from the validity of my argument. Your usage of GIMP as an example is a poor one. Not using GIMP is not hurting or "damaging" the GIMP community. The vast majority of users of open source are NOT contributing to the projects themselves. GIMP is not hurting because I am not using it.

    The crux of your argument here is that although Adobe has not lost a sale, the market as a whole has lost my participation in the cheaper and free alternatives. I deny that assertion, as any program that costs money would still not be purchased, and open source projects are not hurt by the loss that specific user.

    Furthermore, I never stated that a copyright holders wish for you to compensate them IS UNREASONABLE. That is a pervasive misconception when arguing about copyrights, privacy, and draconian laws that affect them. If somebody argues against the current trend of totalitarian copyright protection and the draconian laws being created, IT DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE A PIRATE OR SUPPORTIVE OF PIRACY.

    That's like saying if I have questions about the existence of God, I must be a Satanist. It's damaging, and prevents productive dialogue between all parties when di

  2. Re:Business unions by Shadowmist · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    And what percentage of your music is paid for? I see a lot of FUD thrown up on how artists don't get compensated but it sounds kind of hollow coming from a group of people that's been stealing music anyway. Where was all the concern about "artist compensation" before enforcement started getting serious?