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First Doom 4 Production Shots Revealed
An anonymous reader writes "Actor Brad Hawkins has been tapped to do motion-capture work for Doom 4, and revealed that the game features the military and civilians fighting side by side. Does this mean the game is set on Earth for sure? GGL Wire has an interview with Hawkins and a selection of production shots. '[Filmmaker Mark Bristol] was very specific on the civilians having a certain personality and the military characters having a separate one as well. The body language of the civilians is less, well, "trained." They carry their guns in a looser fashion and are a little sloppier when they run, a little more freestyle. The military characters are sharp as razors, with very swift moves, exact hand positioning and can turn on a dime.'"
This follows news from last month that British novelist Graham Joyce was brought in to develop the story for the game.
Will the Marines in this game remember about duct tape?
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You're assuming that they are in it to make games. Are you sure that's a good assumption? Because, from where I sit, they seem to be more in the business of making game engines and licensing them, using DOOM to show it off rather than anything else.
Not only slashdot'ted, but super-slashdot'ted. I can't even get a byte back from them. And coral cache has similar problems.
Hint, in case this hasn't already occurred to people: DO NOT LINK TO A WEBSITE THAT CAN'T HANDLE TRAFFIC. Seriously, I don't think a single poster here has managed to actually see the screenshots at all.
This is the problem with heavily-dynamic websites - a few visitors and you need to add extra servers. At least with static content, you can serve up to the capacity of your internet connection.
I'd like to read this article, but I'm reluctant to put down my gun to pick up my flashlight.
lalala I have a stereotypical opinion and I'm angry about it.
Let's do the next version of our old game, and not risk anything really new. We'll advertise via pretty graphics, not with interesting game"
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Bah, only a pleb would think that black is black and can't be improved any more ;)
Sure it'll be black, but will it be HD-rendered, bump-mapped, paralax-mapped, pixel-shaded, floating-point-colour black? I mean, just #000000 is soo last century. Nowadays only plebs and nostalgiacs would even look at that. Nowadays we want high-res high-polycount shiny objects with normals and displacements precisely calculated to accurately reflect and refract the surrounding, umm, black. We want black reflected on photo-realistic shimmering black water.
And pay attention to the high resolution part. Just filling a 256x256 texture with (0, 0, 0) doesn't cut it any more. If it's not at least 4096x4096 worth of pure black, you might as well make it text mode.
And will it have realistic depth-of-field effects? It's not a modern game if you can actually see clearly at more that 10 ft. You know it's really modern if you feel like a myopic guy who lost his glasses. In fact, like a myopic guy who just got beladonna drops in the eyes at the occulist, lost his glasses, and is returning home through a severe fog. If you wonder if your CRT suddenly lost the focusing coil, or if your 1600x1200 TFT is actually badly upscaling a 320x240 image, _that's_ a modern game. I mean, bah, black. What we need these days is _blurry_ black.
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Good on you to be the first to post that very common opinion that you no doubt have read here several times in the past. This will no doubt get you a well deserved +5, insightful.
Id actually developed an awesome survival horror game that those of us who enjoy such games loved. But everyone else in the world expected a shotgun gorefest and thus described it as boring, or whatever.
And the expectations were thus because they called it Doom.
I'm not sure why they did that. Possibly because Carmack is not a marketing guy. Possibly because Doom 3 was inevitably going to sell buckets whatever the content.
Saying they have dropped out is nonsense, you've just attached yourself to the 13 year old fanboi meme. Doom 3 was actually a very well executed game with good level design and well written game progression. It just wasn't what people expected.
However having said that, I'm not sure I care anymore either. FPS games bore me nowadays, and Id seemingly can only make those.
Cut the crap dude. I won't bother talking about Doom with people like you. But id Software is indeed doing completely new stuff. Name's Rage. Now shut up.
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You should try turning down the brightness on your monitor. That should make Serious Sam into the "Doom" you want.
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There, fixed that for you.
DOOM was great, DOOM II real fun. DOOM III was boring (yes, boring!)... these days, it's just like any other large software company: "Let's do the next version of our old game, and not risk anything really new."
So first you say Doom 3 was boring (I guess because it wasn't the action-packed game that you were expecting and because of the different atmosphere to the previous Dooms) and then you blast ID for not risking anything really new?
I think you are either contradicting yourself or that you don't know what you're talking about. Doom 3 went in a very different direction than the previous Dooms and I guess that just because they were trying to make something new, disappointed alot of people and were not very well received.
Personally, I thought Doom 3 was great.
I like survival horror, but DooM was a derivative shockfest, it is what your typical big budget horror movie is to real horror movies. DooM III tried to be System Shock and failed (even copying the audio diary story telling format).
Hint: When something jumps out of every corner it ceases to be a surprise. I "won" DooM III when I realised the level designers would put the monster door right in the spot an FPS player would put their back to instinctively. After that point I would know roughly where the monsters were going to be.
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BINGO. Serious Sam and Painkiller are the real successors to Doom I/II. Doom III was horrible in every way; it failed at emulating the successful formula of the first two games, AND it failed at blending in elements from other game formulas (the attempt at a story, the apparent attempt at a more atmospheric and realistic feel and horror type, etc.)
One or two enemies per room, "hiding" behind a pillar (IN EVERY SINGLE GODDAMN ROOM) does not frighten me, nor does it keep with the frantic style of the first two games. Inexplicable monster closets are out of place in a game that makes any attempt at all at being something other than a silly action game. Being able to see my enemy or shoot at it, but not both at the same time is the sort of game mechanic that is only barely tolerable even in 3rd person survival-horror games in the mold of Alone in the Dark or Haunting Ground or something like that. I guess they realized that the single-zombie-or-imp-in-the-same-"hiding"-spot-in-every-room thing was too dull, and threw that crap in to "liven it up" or something--I mean, that's gotta be it, right?
I'd have been happy with a real Doom I/II-style game for Doom III, or with a more updated game that turned it in to a nerve-wracking survival-horror experience. They gave us neither of those things.
That said, two parts I enjoyed:
1. The opening cut-scene, up to about 15-20 minutes after the big event. During this part, my best guess was that I was going to be playing something like System Shock 2 minus the RPG elements crossed with the atmosphere and run-and-gun style of Alien vs. Predator, which was damn fine by me.
2. The last 1/4 or so of the game. Everything from Hell on felt much more like Doom how I remember it. If the whole game had been like that, I'd have been satisfied with it.
The entire list of iDTech 4 games from Wikipedia:
Doom 3 - id Software
Doom 3: Resurrection of Evil - Nerve Software
Quake 4 - Raven Software
Prey - Human Head Studios
Enemy Territory: Quake Wars - Splash Damage
Wolfenstein - Raven Software
A total of six titles, one of which is an expansion pack for their game. Now how about their main competitor, the Unreal Engine, specifically version 3 since that's the newest. Well I'm not going to copy and paste the list... Because it's huge. There's more than 50 games on it. You can see it at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Unreal_Engine_games if you are interested. Also interesting to note is UE3 came out after iDTech 4.
Maybe their strategy is to just sell engines, but they don't seem to be doing well in that regard. Not nearly as well as they've done in the past at least. Also, in the past, they certainly seemed interested in selling their games. While they sold plenty of engine licenses for their older games, they also sold plenty of copies of those games, and there were tons of mods of said games released.
Personally, I was real underwhelmed with Doom 3 both as a game, and the engine backing it up. When it came out I really didn't feel it looked better than UT2004 (Unreal Engine 2). It had some neat effects, but over all I wasn't impressed with the appearance. Textures were rather low rez with no detail textures to deal with close up viewing, lighting was crap, the hard shadows made it only really good for dark, spooky games, and so on. When UE3 came out, it was just over.
Market seems to agree with me, as there have been tons and tons of UE licenses sold and very few iDTech 4 ones.
The unlucky marine from Doom 3 - when it was once again too dark to see - said "It just isn't right - that the shotgun and flashlight - are each bound to a separate key."
It's not the FSAA I'm talking about. I understand your point about FSAA, but now think the same on steroids, squared and applied generously to boot.
In COH it's called explicitly "depth of field effects" in the options, and really it makes distand objects look as if you're drunk. Not just "less clear", but as in actually like you're seeing unfocused and seeing a little bit double. I _can_ tell a difference between that one and the option called FSAA :P
And in HGL IIRC it's called something like "DirectX 10 smoke". Again, very different option from FSAA. The FSAA one is a dropdown, the blurr-everything one is a checbox.
A polar bear is a cartesian bear after a coordinate transform.
One or two enemies per room, "hiding" behind a pillar (IN EVERY SINGLE GODDAMN ROOM) does not frighten me
Speak for yourself. To this day I cannot open a janitorial closet without a shotgun at the ready, and even then my heart races and my brow sweats.
And every time the lights flicker, I have to check every room of the house to make sure no demons spawned or I can't go to sleep.
Once I opened a janitor's closet and there was actually a janitor in it; I was so shocked I almost became a murderer. Fortunately he was really a demon so it was okay.
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