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Automation May Make Toll Roads More Common

bfwebster writes "Here in Denver, we have E-470, a toll section of the 470 beltway, that uses the usual transponder attached to your windshield. Fair enough, and I make use of it, particularly in driving to the airport. But they've just implemented new technology on E-470 that allows anyone to drive through the automated toll gates. If you don't have a transponder, it takes a photo of your license plate and sends a monthly bill to your house. As a result, the company that runs E-470 plans to close all human-staffed toll booths by mid-summer. And as an article in this morning's Rocky Mountain News notes, 'Such a system could be deployed on other roads, including some that motorists now use free. The result: a new source of money for highways and bridges badly in need of repair.' You can bet that legislators, mayors, and city councilpersons everywhere will see this as an even-better source of income than red-light cameras. You've been warned."

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  1. As used in Ireland by hellsDisciple · · Score: 5, Informative

    This technology was very recently deployed in Ireland. There have been severe problems with it, including both the video and tag system simultaneously billing some customers. Funny thing is a lot of people forget there's a toll there at all any more - there used to be constant protests about the motorway in question.

    1. Re:As used in Ireland by peragrin · · Score: 5, Informative

      then you have never lived in an american city.

      Mass transit systems fail in all but the largest of cities. There is a problem. Not enough people spread out over to great of an area. Growing up my school was 20 miles away. The nearest store was 6. When i started working I literally had to drive 50 miles a day 6 days a weekk just back and forth to work. that is no other side stops.

      Now I live only 8 miles and 15 minutes from work. However if I wanted to use mass transit my travel would cover 20 miles, and take over an hour to do so. mass transits systems require the majority of people to live in a small space. That isn't the case in America. America is simply to spread out for it to work effectively. Maybe when we double our current population will it make more sense.

      Until such a time cars are more efficient for the tens of thousands that travel back and forth going in thousands of different directions at different times.

      Simpson Springfield is a nice example. the trolly only goes in circles. that is the case in many cities. Invent a hoverbus, that flies 50 feet off the ground and it might change.

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  2. Re:Why is this a bad thing? by japhering · · Score: 5, Informative

    The result: a new source of money for highways and bridges badly in need of repair.' You can bet that legislators, mayors, and city councilpersons everywhere will see this as an even-better source of income than red-light cameras. You've been warned."

    Why is this a bad thing? If the users of the road have to pay a little extra to maintain the road they're using, I don't have problem with it. If the money is being poured into some politician's slush fund, sure that's a problem, but reasonable use fees are exactly what's called for her. It sure beats the "selective billing" process of red-light cameras.

    Why is it a bad thing.. let me count the ways...

    1) typically, (at least in TX), the photo billed to the home address of the registered owner of the car.. carries a $1 service fee, + a 20% penalty (for not having the prepaid transponder) + the toll.. so a 50 cent toll is now $1.60 + check and postage

    2) Most of the money doesn't go back to up keep of the road .. it goes to profit for the corporation running the toll system

    3) If you piss off some one.. they will simply take a digital picture of your license plate and run through all the toll plazas they can find. And you will have to fight each one individually..If the person has any brains.. he will do it in the same make/model/year as your vehicle and you will never convince the the administrative judge it is not you, unless you in your car happen to trip through a toll plaza within seconds of the miscreant

    Don't laugh it is become a big problem in Europe where kids to get back a teachers.. take pic of the teachers license plate and then go speeding through as many speed traps as they can find. Each ticket running a few hundred Euros, unless you live in Finland where the ticket is a percentage of your income.

    4) Quite a few of the companies running such systems are run by European companies that take all the profits back home rather than reinvesting in this country.

  3. Re:Why is this a bad thing? by M1rth · · Score: 5, Informative

    If the money is being poured into some politician's slush fund, sure that's a problem, but reasonable use fees are exactly what's called for her.

    It's always the slush fund. Houston, TX had a "toll road project" that was supposed to end the toll roads 10 years after the beltway was completed. How did they get around it? They put one little "spur" of 1/4 mile off the edge, claimed it was supposed to "eventually" be a mile long, and deliberately left it unfinished so that they can claim the project is "not completed."

    Meanwhile the state funding that was SUPPOSED to be going to widening TX-290 in Houston? Oh yeah, that got embezzled to pay for lobbying efforts on the NAFTA superhighway project that nobody wanted.

    Point being: it's always the slush fund that the toll road money goes to.

    The other thing we have in Houston now? They did away with the posted signage telling you how much the toll is. If you drive round the beltway and you have an "EZPass", you have absolutely no idea how much money you were charged until you get your monthly statement. There are no signs saying what the toll is to get on, No early-warning with "free exits" right before each big pay-plaza, and the only way you're going to find out the toll price is by going through the pay booth and asking the attendant.

    And of course there are certain areas (Westpark Tollway) that you're ONLY allowed onto if you have an EZPass. I wound up buying an EZPass just as a defensive measure because of the number of times cops have been caught forcing people over into the exit-only lane onto that toll road since it was built.

    Go through those gates without a transponder? Massive fine - and there's no appeal process, no way to get before a judge to say "Here's the situation, I couldn't safely get out of the lane, I got to the first available exit but they've put a toll reader before that exit." It's all a revenue scam, nothing more.

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  4. Re:Why is this a bad thing? by JoshHeitzman · · Score: 4, Informative

    Except you won't be exchanging gas taxes for tolls. You'll just get to pay both.

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  5. Re:Calm down, this is a decade old by mrsquid0 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Gas taxes in the US are not high enough to pay the annual costs of the US road system. The rest of the money for maintaining our roads comes from general revenue.

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