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Net Neutrality Still Lives

BuhDuh writes "Despite previous reports, and as subsequently discussed here, it appears that Sen. Feinstein's amendment (PDF) did not make it into the approved 'HR1' version of the stimulus bill (PDF). Of course, I cannot aver to having read all 680 pages, but searching for the terms Ms. Feinstein used came up blank, so it looks like we can breathe a collective sigh of relief until someone tries to bury similar proposals in the next wide-ranging, must-pass piece of legislation."

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  1. well then.... by ILuvRamen · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well then let me be the first to say on behalf of slashdot: "Take that you stupid, bill-hijacking, lobbyist bribed bitch!"

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  2. Re:net neutrality by Kokuyo · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can understand someone wanting to keep their cat's fur trimmed... it's just more practical that way... but do come on... shaving the cat is a bit over the top, no?

  3. Great! by iluvcapra · · Score: 2, Funny

    So we're back where we started, which is to say, service providers in the driver's seat!

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  4. Luckily by iminplaya · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We have this new fangled internet thingy that makes it a little more difficult to hide these things. Hope is indeed alive. As for the change part, well that's up to us. Now... about this Conyers bastard... and Hatch, and Lieberman.. I suppose there's little chance of getting rid of them while they bring home the bacon. Stop voting for these people!

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    1. Re:Luckily by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sadly, no, it does not. At least not much. Only about half of households in America even have a computer, and fewer have broadband access. The Internet only increases transparency if citizens are vigilant and pay attention to what's going on in Washington and in their state legislatures.

      Unfortunately, Joe Sixpack, when he can be expected turn his attention from his beer, his sports (Nascar, football, hockey, maybe basketball if Joe lives in an urban area), golf and/or bowling (depends on whether he's upper middle or lower middle class), usually it's only about once every four years. And that's only if American Idol isn't good this season.

    2. Re:Luckily by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sad thing, Joe Sixpack wants laws passed to "regulate" the Internet. He thinks it will keep his computer safe when he browses pr0n, gets a malware attack, and has to take his machine to Geek Squad and pay $100 to get the box decontaminated. Even though the legislation would do nothing about this problem.

    3. Re:Luckily by General+Wesc · · Score: 2, Funny

      Conyers is one of the most awesome congressmen out there. He made one mistake recently, but he has an excellent track record for demanding transparency and accountability in the government.

  5. This news by MRe_nl · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not so new...

    "I just called Feinstein's office and..." (Score:1)
    by rev_deaconballs (1071074) on Wednesday February 11, @10:37PM (#26819353)
    "It did not make it into the congress revision."

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    1. Re:This news by cemulli · · Score: 4, Informative

      As the weirdo who's actually obsessively following the actual progress of the bill text, February 11th was after it didn't get into the Senate version. Feinstein was still trying to get it into the final version when the Senate and House met to work out a compromise to get the REAL final version of the bill done so they could vote on it and send it to Obama. The meeting finished late last night on 2/13. I haven't been able to find the updated bill text *anywhere*, so I was happy as hell when I saw this posting. Until I scrolled down to the next to last page and saw that the PDF was the version from when the House passed the initial pre-Senate version on 1/28. So yeah, the lack of Feinstein language in that PDF means nothing. The reason there wouldn't be any Feinstein language in that version of the bill was because that's the version from BEFORE the Senate got their hands on it.

  6. Re:net neutrality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    A bit under the bottom actually.

  7. Huh? by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why is it that so many "Liberal Democrats" are against things like Net Nutrality and copyright / patent reform? I would have though they would be all over it, but instead are more repugnant on the issue than Repugnians.

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    1. Re:Huh? by ForrestFire439 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They're just as in bed with the lobbyists as the Republicans are. Perhaps even more so in this case because the majority of media corporations are in blue states like California.

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    2. Re:Huh? by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It would be nice if they remembered occasionally how much of that funding came from ordinary citizens. Especially Obama.

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  8. Read the bills! by moosesocks · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can we please, for the love of God, pass something resembling the Read the Bills act.

    Although I don't necessarily agree with its libertarian ideological roots, it's absolutely absurd that a 600 page bill can be proposed and voted on before sufficient time has been given to read over and debate the entire thing.

    The 7-day comment also sounds like a good idea, as long as there's a provision for emergency action.

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    1. Re:Read the bills! by iminplaya · · Score: 4, Insightful

      but aren't they unproductive enough as it is?

      That's their one saving grace.

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    2. Re:Read the bills! by DragonTHC · · Score: 2, Interesting

      if the text of every bill becomes part of the official record of congress, they can pass no secret legislation. They can pass no legislation regarding national security.

      The official record will increase in size and the legislation will decrease in size. they will tackle one issue per bill. they will debate that issue and compromise on that issue until a quorum is met.

      They will no longer be able to have secret closed-door sessions. Which really makes me wonder. Why is congress allowed to have secret closed-door sessions? They cannot hide laws from the American people.

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    3. Re:Read the bills! by jcnnghm · · Score: 4, Informative

      The bill wasn't 600 pages, it was 1,073. The Democrats initially promised that it would be made available online for at least 48 hours before it was voted on, however, they lied, and voted on it less than 12 hours after it was presented to the Representatives. To read the bill, it would have required reading about two and a half pages a minute from the time they received the bill until the vote. The bottom line is, the Democrats rushed it through so nobody would have a chance to read it.

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  9. It's actually in the bill. by DragonTHC · · Score: 5, Informative

    from page 656 of the stimulus bill

    10 (e) GRANT REQUIREMENTS.--The NTIA shall--
    11 (1) adopt rules to protect against unjust enrich12
    ment; and
    13 (2) ensure that grant recipients--
    14 (A) meet buildout requirements;
    15 (B) maximize use of the supported infra16
    structure by the public;
    17 (C) operate basic and advanced broadband
    18 service networks on an open access basis;
    19 (D) operate advanced wireless broadband
    20 service on a wireless open access basis; and
    21 (E) adhere to the principles contained in
    22 the Federal Communications Commission's
    23 broadband policy statement (FCC 05-151,
    24 adopted August 5, 2005).

    all broadband stimulus grants will be subject to network neutrality.

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  10. Facepalm: Face-600stackof-legal documents by TheLazySci-FiAuthor · · Score: 3, Funny

    These 500+ page bills; how is it arguable that documents of that length are not asinine? I recently tried to read the Microsoft privacy statement and EULA for Office (kind of paltry legal docs, relatively speaking) and gave up after 10 minutes.

    Something akin to cognitive dissonance had arisen, and like I do with any document/book which causes that - I tossed it.

    I can understand when computer code achieves a size like this, or scientific studies, but really - law becomes more and more esoteric, even while it becomes slower and slower to adapt to modern technological and subsequent social conventions.

    I await that hoped-for day when that mythical AI which is trillions of times smarter (or at least has trillions of times the patience and time) than us looks through these, to it, crayon drawings, and distills the circular reasonings, contradictions and plain nonsense into a succinctly digestible form understandable to that mythical 'reasonable person' so that we can all have a good laugh. ...or until it launches legions of red glowing-eyed, humanoid military robots to wipe us out.

    Either outcome is fine with me.

  11. Isn't there a github for government? by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 2, Funny

    Surely there's some way of finding out who inserted what into a bill. Just look for a list of changes made by Feinstein.

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  12. Censoring the internet - Useless, harmful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Major lesson the leaders of this once-free country need to learn:
    1. Banning X does not stop X, it just changes how X is used.
    The biggest reason the internet would be censored & How censoring the internet would not help at all, but hurt:
    1. To protect young children from learning about insults/slang, sex, and violence. >
      A. Children are going to learn curse words & insults/slang, whether it is at school, at the park, with their friends friends, or just by hearing them on the street.
    Censoring the internet is a lazy, retarded, un-premeditated way to try to stop children from learning those things.
    Children are going to learn them, unless you lock them in a vault and feed them drugs all of their life. Let them learn the true language of english, but teach them what the words and insults really mean, and why it is bad to say them. Set diciplines for when they use the words. There is really nothing the government can do about it besides: improve the education system and crank out more parenting classes.

      B. If you are so afraid your child is going to see a naked body, put your own censors on. There are many programs, a lot of hardware and more to do this yourself, instead of hanging around and waiting for the Government to do it.

    If the internet is censored, it is going to do nothing but piss people off, and crank out more hackers. There are still magazines, there is still your TV.
    If you manage to keep your child away from sex education, your child is very likely to, because of the urges, do extremely strange and illegal things such as:
    Peep at any naked body possible, whether it is the girl next door, his/her parent's bedroom, or even the sleeping cat.
    Many rapists and serial killers become the way they are because of their parent's overprotection.

    C. Protecting your child from violence in movies and games in modern times actually is very dangerous to their behavior.
    First of all, the violence in these movies gives the child a better view of what to expect from the real world. Decreasing trust in people in children in fact keeps them from talking to strangers, or taking the "Free ride" home from school, and things like that.
    Second, the child better knows how to defend him/herself, and probably why not to fight, if he has seen a gang violence movie, or played GTA IV.

    Sure, some studies show that playing games such as GTA IV in rare cases causes mild violent behavior in children. But what the media doesn't tell you, is that the children also become more suspicious of people, and get into less trouble over time, since they get a better idea what people are capable of.

    Yeah, when your kid meets his/her creepy grandpa at first, they will be a bit shy. But when kids at school tell him/her to come out back after school for a free ice cream, your kid is less likely to come home with the police in his/her underwear covered in bruises as the police explain to you how lucky your child is to be alive.

    So before you, Diana, go around killing net neutrality trying to censor the internet, maybe you should actually consider what really matters, and what does nothing.

  13. Feinstein got outed by Dan667 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Feinstein probably mis-calculated that this would pass before anyone would discover this amendment. It got pulled, because of the negative publicity it generated that might have caused the whole bill from not being passed. Lieberman was outed for his negative contribution to the American Public, a new effort should be made to target Feinstein and get her kicked out of office.

  14. Net Neutrality Safe? Maybe Not... by Dreadneck · · Score: 4, Informative

    (beginning on page 664 and continuing to page 665 of the stimulus bill)

    SEC. 6003. NATIONAL BROADBAND PLAN.

    (a) REPORT REQUIRED.- Not later than 1 year after the date of enactment of this section, the Federal Communications Commission shall submit to the Committee on Energy and Commerce of the House of Representatives and the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation of the Senate, a report containing a national broadband plan.

    b) CONTENTS OF PLAN.-The national broadband 23 plan required by this section shall seek to ensure that all 24 people of the United States have access to broadband capability and shall establish benchmarks for meeting that goal. The plan shall also include-

    (1) an analysis of the most effective and efficient mechanisms for ensuring broadband access by all people of the United States;

    (2) a detailed strategy for achieving affordability of such service and maximum utilization of broadband infrastructure and service by the public; and

    (3) a plan for use of broadband infrastructure and services in advancing consumer welfare, civic participation, public safety and homeland security, community development, health care delivery, energy independence and efficiency, education, worker training, private sector investment, entrepreneurial activity, job creation and economic growth, and other national purposes.

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    It seems to me that part (3) is broadly and vaguely worded, but given the terminology used it seems they are going to delay the attempt at killing network neutrality and possibly try to bring in through the backdoor by way of the NTIA and FCC.

    Why bother with the public scrutiny of the legislative process when you can accomplish it by fiat via the bureaucracy?

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  15. Don't breathe yet, this ISN'T the final version. by cemulli · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sorry guys, no fly. Try gpoaccess.gov instead - the new version isn't listed there yet either. They just agreed on a final version late last night (2/13), and that version ain't it. The linked PDF file is signed at the bottom. That's the version that the House passed on January 28th (open access language + semi-codification of the FCC internet policy statement) which is different from the version that the Senate passed on February 10th.