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High Tech Misery In China

theodp writes "Think you've got a bad job? Think again. You could be making keyboards for IBM, Microsoft, Dell, Lenovo and HP at Meitai Plastic and Electronics, a Chinese hardware factory. Prompted by the release of High Tech Misery in China by a human-rights group, a self-regulating body set up by tech companies will conduct an audit of working conditions at the factory. In return for take-home pay of 41 cents per hour, workers reportedly sit on hard wooden stools for 12-hour shifts, seven days a week. Overtime is mandatory, with workers being given on average two days off per month. While on the production line, workers are not allowed to raise their hands or heads, are given 1.1 seconds to snap each key into place, and are encouraged to 'actively monitor each other' to see if any company rules are being transgressed. They are also monitored by guards. Workers are fined if they break the rules, locked in the factory for four days per week, and sleep in crowded dormitories. Okay, it's not all bad news — they're hiring."

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  1. Film at 11... by KingAlanI · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Horrible working conditions in China, film at 11.
    Sad that this stuff is so common; let's see if it changes over time as the country develops

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    1. Re:Film at 11... by dintlu · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In the meantime, Reduce, Reuse, Recycle.

      There are plenty of good used electronics peripherals on craigslist and ebay.

    2. Re:Film at 11... by jcr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      let's see if it changes over time as the country develops

      It did in the USA, the UK, and every other country that went through a transition from a mostly agricultural to an industrial economy.

      -jcr

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    3. Re:Film at 11... by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It did in the USA, the UK, and every other country that went through a transition from a mostly agricultural to an industrial economy.

      Unfortunately, better working conditions aren't retroactive, and the possibility that things will be better in China in a century or so is of no help to the human beings being fucked over right now.

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    4. Re:Film at 11... by mcvos · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sad that this stuff is so common; let's see if it changes over time as the country develops

      I'm not sure how big that chance is, as long as union protest run the risk of being overrun with tanks. Let's face it, one of the reasons we've got it better is because workers have the right to vote and the freedom to unionise.

      A dictatorship may call itself socialist, but as long as the common worker has no power or freedom, the people in power have no incentive to do anything for them.

    5. Re:Film at 11... by w0mprat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Starting in Victorian England there was substantial labour reform to do away with child labour and improve working conditions. During the industrial revolution people had gotten the idea they could use abuse cheap and underpaid labour in new factories, and got away with it for a while, but this eventually lead to reform.

      Now while I find it plausible the similar scenario of reform may happen in China, I doubt it will happen soon. What has happened to western nations is not necessarily directly transferable to China. But I do believe things may improve, but clearly China's labour conditions are not sustainable, things will change one way or another.

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  2. Fines... by Daemonax · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Foreign companies that utilize this type of thing should be hit with heavy penalties. This would also encourage them to check working conditions before signing a contract with a manufacturer.

    1. Re:Fines... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Do you want pointless tech gadgets so much you don't care about the consequences of purchasing it?

    2. Re:Fines... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How do I distinguish the $90 one from a humane factory from the $10 one that will be marked up to $90 simply to hide its sweatshop origin?

    3. Re:Fines... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Mod up. I'll believe the argument everything will cost magnitudes more once I can buy my sweatshop $2 NBA Baller Official Nike's for anything less than $100. They use Chinese sweatshops to increase profit not to lower consumer costs.

  3. Compared to doing what? by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In return for take-home pay of 41 cents per hour, workers reportedly sit on hard wooden stools for 12-hour shifts, seven days a week. Overtime is mandatory, with workers being given on average two days off per month.

    The alternatives being what?
    Substinence farming or starving?

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    1. Re:Compared to doing what? by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The alternatives being what?

      Make it easier to consume locally. Stop rigging the currency to be export-pushing.
           

    2. Re:Compared to doing what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And how much does 41 cents an hour buy over there? In the US, of course, 41 cents an hour would never be enough to support you, but Sally Struthers is always telling us that 41 cents will feed a starving kid in Africa for a whole month. Just getting the pay in dollars doesn't tell us much.

    3. Re:Compared to doing what? by gibson_81 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I would say subsistence farming is much better than 41 cents/hour in a factory.

      Well, either the subsistence-farmers-turned-factory-workers disagree with you or they are unable to get any arable land for subsistence farming ...

    4. Re:Compared to doing what? by electrosoccertux · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I would say subsistence farming is much better than 41 cents/hour in a factory.

      Let them decide, they prefer to work apparently.

      Also keep in mind every country has gone through an industrial revolution.

      Western Industrial Revolution had the same horrors: Children working in factories 12 hours a day? Check. Children getting so tired they fall into machinery and die? Check. Grownups working 12 hours/day, 7 days/week? Check.

      The thing about China is theirs is going to be over and done with in about 25 years for a total of 35; as opposed to hanging around for 75-100 and morphing into a second industrial revolution.

      You forget to realize that even these conditions are far better than any Chinese would otherwise see. Running, clean water? Dependable food? Shelter to sleep in? They don't get that when they're farming 12 hours a day making barely enough food to survive on.

      The other thing-- in the last 20 years, "extreme poverty" has shrunk from 40% globally to 20%*. That's not your humanitarian aid at work, that's American consumption fueling fewer deaths due to water poisoning, hunger, etc. in third world countries/regions. Why would you take that away from them? Until just recently (with the onset of this recession) Chinese were STILL taking trains to the cities to find a new life, new work, and new pay. That's in spite of all these "horrible work conditions" (by our standards, that we erroneously think nobody would want to work under) all over the place. They're welcome to quit their job and return to farming, but I think you miss how bad they have it farming.

      This knowledge should cause us to stop and consider what we'd be doing before we start taxing trade with the Chinese.

      *Go check out "The Elephant and the Dragon: The Rise of India and China and What It Means for Us All" by Robyn Meredith. She covers all sorts of things like this and provides sound sources to back them up-- IIRC, there were about 30 pages at the back of this book with nothing but footnotes/sources for statistics like this one.

  4. Exactly two ways to avoid this stuff by rbrander · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1) Government regulation (and enforcement) setting minimum working conditions.

    2) Enthusiastic uptake of some kind of "no humans were exploited in the making of this product" sticker, in the free market.

    I've found it heartwarming at work that the younger staff are all hugely in favour of "fair trade" products that purportedly don't exploit poor farmers and farm labourers, mostly as applied to coffee and sugar products. The aggressively seek them out and we have people coming from floors around to our "fair trade only" coffee station. We older folks are "for" this stuff as long as you stick it under our noses, shame us a bit, and it doesn't cost *much* more.

    Which it doesn't, of course - that's the pathetic thing about these stories - the conditions in that factory, as opposed to conditions that might not pass muster here but at least wouldn't *disgust* you, are probably scraping $2 off the cost of the $60 "MS Egronomic 4000" keyboard that you could only pry from my cold, dead (non-RSI'd) fingers. I'd be happy to pay $65 if it came with such a sticker...the other $3 paying for the checking and enforcement of the rules from the sticker-issuing NGO.

  5. Re:Damn it.. by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It cost you $2.99. What the heck do you think?

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  6. No, totalitarianism gone wild by swb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, you're seeing totalitarianism gone wild. All of the shitty labor in China is backstopped by the government and its willingness to create political prisoners.

    What really sucked about the Olympics wasn't the smog or anything else, it was the media broadcasting the fake news that China is just another free country. And the west sucked it down.

  7. Re:No surprises here by jcr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Capitalism can only work because it thrives on and creates the poor.

    Thank you for that marxist flashback, you ignorant twat.

    Capitalism is the way out of poverty. Those countries that reject it inflict starvation on their people.

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  8. Re:No surprises here by StormReaver · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Capitalism can only work because it thrives on and creates the poor."

    Capitalism works great most of the time, but can easily be abused to bring about situations like this. We hear about the fraction of a percent of abusive companies because it's news that sells. We don't hear so much about the greater than 99% of capitalist companies and individuals that provide good, sustainable products and services (for whatever reason).

    Seriously, do you think that anybody gives even a tiny little rat's ass that I created a small company's data entry and reporting infrastructure for a reasonable price and included full source code so they wouldn't be locked into me as a sole service provider? Does that sound like news that people will care to spend time or money knowing?

    The various news media have long since relied on sensationalism to make money. If you base your world view on what you hear/read from media outlets, it's almost impossible to view the world as anything other than corrupt and beyond redemption. There's a whole other world that doesn't get reported.

  9. History repeats it self. by DrYak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It did in the USA, the UK, and every other country that went through a transition from a mostly agricultural to an industrial economy.

    And by then, as the cost of labor raises with the working condition, instead of building the same hardware in better conditions, the big companies will relocate their production facilities somewhere else where the cost of producing the parts is even cheaper than everywhere else. Probably in Africa.

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