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Do We Need a New Internet?

Richard.Tao and a number of other readers sent in a NYTimes piece by John Markoff asking whether the Internet is so broken it needs to be replaced. "...[T]here is a growing belief among engineers and security experts that Internet security and privacy have become so maddeningly elusive that the only way to fix the problem is to start over. What a new Internet might look like is still widely debated, but one alternative would, in effect, create a 'gated community' where users would give up their anonymity and certain freedoms in return for safety. Today that is already the case for many corporate and government Internet users. As a new and more secure network becomes widely adopted, the current Internet might end up as the bad neighborhood of cyberspace. You would enter at your own risk and keep an eye over your shoulder while you were there." A less alarmist reaction to the question was blogged by David Akin: "If you build a new Internet and you want me to get a license to drive on it, sorry. I'm hanging out here in v.1."

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  1. Absolutley Not by moniker127 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And it isnt really an option either.

  2. as old ben would say by larry+bagina · · Score: 5, Insightful
    give up their anonymity and certain freedoms in return for safety

    They don't deserve (and won't get) either.

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  3. Users by evil_aar0n · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Build all the "new" Internets you want. As long as you have clueless users on your network, you'll have attack vectors.

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  4. Oh hey by kjzk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The internet is unfortunately the truest form of Freedom of Speech we have available. We can't even protest in public without fear of arrest or being harmed by police. There are a lot of people with money and power would like to stop the flow of information in its tracks.

  5. my letter to the editor by bcrowell · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To the Editor:

    Re "A New Internet? The Old One is Putting Us in Jeopardy," by John Markoff (Week in Review, Feb. 15, 2009):

    Mr. Markoff both misstates and overstates the security problems faced by the Internet as currently designed.

    He never uses the word "Windows," but the virus outbreaks he describes are almost entirely a Windows phenomenon, and due to the poor design of that operating system. Microsoft's apologists have been saying for years that this was only because Windows' market share made it the more attractive target. But Apple's share of the desktop market has skyrocketed recently to 15% without any outbreaks of viruses targeting the Macintosh. And Microsoft has never commanded more than about half of the server market; the other half runs open-source operating systems such as Linux (used by Google) and FreeBSD (Yahoo), on which viruses are essentially unknown.

    Markoff says it's hard to prove your identity on the internet, and proposes government regulation as a solution. But many people have been proving their identities for years now using proven technologies like public-key cryptography. The U.S. government played a negative role in the development of these technologies by attempting to regulate their distribution through export-control regulations originally intended for munitions.

  6. No way in hell! by p51d007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    THIS scares me more than anything... "create a 'gated community' where users would give up their anonymity and certain freedoms in return for safety" Oh yeah right....leave "safety" in charge of some government idiots, or the UN...no thanks!

    1. Re:No way in hell! by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      To quote my main man on the C-Note: "They would trade essential liberty in return for a little temporary safety deserve neither." The B-man was talking about firearms, but it goes for the Intartubes as well.

    2. Re:No way in hell! by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, in my opinion the "gated community" metaphor fits perfectly: providing the illusion of security for a substantial sum without providing any actual benefit. It's not even giving up freedoms in return for safety, it's giving up freedoms in return for the illusion of safety.

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    3. Re:No way in hell! by Mad+Merlin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not even giving up freedoms in return for safety, it's giving up freedoms in return for the illusion of safety.

      Sounds like the Americans will be all for it then.

    4. Re:No way in hell! by Ender_Stonebender · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Except there's no such thing as permanent safety. See, the safety is only as complete as the people in charge of making things safe are trustworthy. Creating safety requires giving people power, and power corrupts. Therefore, the people in charge of safety will be corrupt. Sure, the system may work for a while, but eventually a person that is very susceptible to corruption will be put in charge, and it will break down, probably quite spectacularly and quite quicky.

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    5. Re:No way in hell! by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's not entirely true though.

      We already have gated communities on the web. They're https sites.

      I would say a second secure webspace in which trusted commerce can take place in addition to the existing web wouldn't be a bad thing. I would be willing to completely give up my anonymity when wanting to make a secure transaction. In fact I would be willing to give up my anonymity on the normal internet, but like that I *could* be anonymous if ever needed.

      Hybridization seems like the key here.

    6. Re:No way in hell! by KeithJM · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Right now most bandwidth is lost to spammers, crackers and scammers.

      Really? How much bandwidth does it take to run a cracking script? I'd bet most bandwidth is "lost" to peer-to-peer downloads.

    7. Re:No way in hell! by KeithJM · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I for one use peer to peer networks, for (some) legal purposes

      Yeah, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. I put "lost" in quotes because the bandwidth isn't really lost, it's just used. It's like claiming sections of the highway are "lost" because there are lots of cars on them. That's why we BUILT the highways. You could argue the opposite is true, they're wasted if we we AREN'T using them.

    8. Re:No way in hell! by MadAhab · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The UN? Please, take off the tin foil hat, step away from the keyboard, and prepare yourself for the bad news.

      It's not the UN you have to fear. Far from it. It's the first local folks who don't like what you have to say.

      Think smoking pot isn't a big deal? Most Americans don't. But if you boss can find out you said that... well, chilling effects are a bummer, dude.

      Partner swapping? Amatuer fireworks? Liking big guns? Owning internet security tools? Taking apart the technology you "own"? Whistleblowing of any kind? Say, "my peanut-butter plant is filthy?" Yes, you had better fear the loss of anonymity. There are lots of people who don't want you to have it.

      But the UN? Bitch, please.

      It was overall a terrible, fear-mongering article. It reduced IPv6 to a single, rather inaccurate sentance.

      OK, put your tin foil hat back on now. Live in fear of the wrong things, asshole. Fearing the UN is like waiting for the Care Bare invasion.

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  7. Simple by Daimanta · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If we cant make the comparitively tiny step of moving from ipv4 to ipv6 I think its nigh impossible to move to "a new internet".

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  8. It isn't broken by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Internet itself isn't broken, not by a long shot. What's broken are certain applications that run across it.

    And even then whether they're broken is arguable. Take SMTP for instance. One of the big complaints seems to be that SMTP doesn't make any guarantees that the sender is who they claim to be. My response to that is "And?". The USPS doesn't make any such guarantee about physical mail either, and we get along just fine anyway. It's just acknowledged that the identity of the sender isn't determined by the return address they put on the envelope, but by the claims in the letter inside and even those claims have to be verified independently of the Post Office. And when people are naive enough to believe any important letter just because it claims to be from someone without actually contacting that someone to verify it, we laugh at them. So when people say "I got an e-mail claiming to be from Bank of America and it was fake!", why don't we laugh at them and go "Well, YES! When the e-mail said there was a problem, why didn't you call BoA directly and ask about it?".

    Same for Web browsers and web sites, and dozens of other applications. People want the transport layer to substitute for their own judgement and common sense. The Internet doesn't do that, any more than UPS or the USPS do. We don't need a replacement for them, do we?