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Will Obama's DOJ Intervene To Help RIAA?

NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "In SONY BMG Music Entertainment v. Cloud, a Pennsylvania case in which the RIAA's statutory damages theory — seeking from 2,200 to 450,000 times the amount of actual damages — is being tested, the US Department of Justice has just filed papers indicating that it is considering intervening in the case to defend the constitutionality of such awards, and requesting an extension of time (PDF) in which to decide whether such intervention 'is appropriate.' This is an early test of whether President Obama will make good on his promises (a) not to allow industry insiders to participate in cases affecting the industry they represented (the 2nd and 3rd highest DOJ officials are RIAA lawyers) and (b) to look out for ordinary citizens rather than big corporations."

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  1. The Obameter: Tracking Obama's Campaign Promises by snarfies · · Score: 5, Informative

    You can track the progress of Obama's many campaign promises at http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/ - its pretty interesting.

  2. Re:Everyone needs to speak their piece on this by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 4, Informative

    Going to various Obama web sites where public submission of comments are facilitated is exactly where people should go to voice their view on these matters.

    Exactly. Here's the one I know of. If there are others, would appreciate the links.

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  3. Re: The Obameter: Tracking Obama's Campaign Promis by Red+Flayer · · Score: 5, Informative

    politifact.com: owned by St. Petersburg Times

    St. Petersburg Times: owned by the Poynter Institute

    The Poynter Institute is a journalism school well know for its uncommon (in today's world) approach of unbiased reporting and the primacy of fact over sensationalism.

    Gotta say, props to you for linking to a neutral site, when there are so many sites "Obama broken promises" sites maintained by partisan hacks.

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  4. Re:That's not even possible... by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...seeking from 2,200 to 450,000 times the amount of actual damages...

    I've only seen up to 8000, anything over 9000 would just be ridiculous.

    :)

    But seriously, the actual damages are around 35 cents per download. (70 cent wholesale price minus ~35 cents expenses=35 cents lost profits). The now discarded Jammie Thomas verdict was 23,000 times the actual damages (9250 per song file).

    Interestingly, when the record companies are defendants they sing a different tune, complaining that even 10 times the actual damages is unconstitutional.

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  5. Re:Obama == Bush (corporate friend)? by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Informative
    "Here's some background on Obama's Attorney General, Eric Holder.

    Intellectual property piracy: "This is theft""

    Heck if you 'like' Holder for those views, during the Clinton administration, he promoted that Free Speech should be limited . Heck, there are even videos of him on YouTube speaking about to this....

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  6. Re:Obama == Bush (corporate friend)? by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 4, Informative

    We chose Obama because he is a step in the right direction, a step towards openness, a step towards making friends with the rest of the world, and I would even say a step towards cleaning up corruption (that's the point of openness, right?)."

    Goodness, I wish I had your youthful optimism about the world. *Sigh*....well, just give it a few years, with experience and seeing how it all works, that optimism and hope for the world fades. Enjoy it while you have you illusions. After that, you learn to just look out for yourself.

    Well I agreed with that comment a hundred percent. And I'm 60. You can call my optimism dumb, but you can't call it youthful.

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  7. Re:Let me guess McCain would have been different? by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 4, Informative

    the Justice Department has to support the laws as written before the courts

    Yes but every member of the Justice Department, and indeed every attorney, takes an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States. Not a particular provision, or interpretation of a provision, of the Copyright Act. I.e., while we are bound to protect and defend "the law", the chief "law" we are bound to protect and defend is the Constitution of the United States. The United States Supreme Court has held that punitive damages which exceed by more than nine times the actual damages are presumptively unconstitutional. The United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit, the Northern District of California, and the Eastern District of New York have held that statutory damages may well be subject to the same principle. No cases have held to the contrary. And two excellent law review articles have argued forcefully that the statutory damages scheme of the Copyright Act, providing for MINIMUM damages of $750 per infringement, is in fact unconstitutional as applied to the micropayment p2p file sharing cases -- i.e. if each 99-cent song file creates a $750 to $150,000 liability.

    Indeed the RIAA's damages theory is not even consistent with basic tenets of copyright law, of long standing, that statutory damage awards are required to bear a reasonable relationship to the actual damages sustained.

    So the DOJ should stay far away from defending this nonsense. They have much more important things to do than to ensure that college students be exposed to damages which even the courts recognize are ludicrous. See, e.g., the last 3 or 4 pages of Judge Davis's decision in Capitol v. Thomas.

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