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MS To Slip IE8 Into Vista and XP Through OEMs
crazyeyes writes "Microsoft says it's 'optional,' but they are already planning to slip Internet Explorer 8 into all Windows Vista/XP PCs by March. MS claims that IE8 will offer better performance and security. But what about unwanted stuff like 'Monetization opportunities (for OEMs)' and 'These services will be used (by OEMs) to deliver brand exposure... to the users'?"
Ever notice the "Internet Explorer provided by Dell" title bar?
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Profit isn't evil; but when people start spouting grotesque pseudowords referring to it, I get nervous. "Incentivize" is another troublesome one.
According to the OED, monetize has been in use since 1867. Incentivize since 1968. Something tells me they were both in use well before you were even born.
Start->Run
ftp ftp.mozilla.org /pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/3.0.6/win32/en-US/
cd
get "Firefox Setup 3.0.6.exe"
IE is one of the most bloated firefox download tools there is.
But how can one disagree with the truth?
Microsoft sucks, it is a widely known fact.
I know i will be moderated troll, but you are just abusing it, i am being 100% serious here.
Microsoft pushed out crappy tools that held people back, terribly optimized, full of bugs and bad practices. (Oh hey Visual Basic, case-sensitivity would like a word!)
Not only that, they have abused their position by allowing their software to stagnate.
IE versions being the major one here, they are terribly bad compared to others through the things entire life.
And to stick an even bigger finger to everyone else, they created that crap ActiveX, which when combined with their large marketshare has led to countless millions still being held up in Microsoft stuff because they went with some shitty company to design their software.
And to take it even further, they shat all over those people when they decided not to support them.
This is just some major examples that sticks out.
So, please, for the love of computing, tell me why this is classed as opinion?
Is there anyone here that wants users to CONTINUE USING IE6??? Because IE6 is what's included in stock XP. As for Vista, well, IE7 isn't so great, maybe IE8 will be more standards-conformant.
-- Sig down
IE 8 isn't my favorite browser,but it's worlds better then IE 6.. It's quality related to IE 7 is harder to discern at this point, but anything that encourages businesses and other IE 6 holdouts to move forward is a good thing in my view. I'd rather they move to Gecko(Firefox), Webkit(Chrome, safari), or Opera, but please, I'm pleading, let IE 6 die...
Blessed are the pessimists, for they have made backups.
The word is "incite", not "incentivize". There's no need to make up a new word when the word you're looking for already exists.
So if I say "doing X would provide incentive to do Y" I am just fine, but if I say "X would incentivize Y" I am grotesque?
I don't think so. Your insistence on using tedious phrases when equally meaningful, but much more convenient terms exist is sort of pathetic, though.
Except, that's not an equally meaningful phrase. In fact, your second version of the sentence doesn't actually mean the same thing as your first version.
"Incentivize" generally means "motivate" or "provide incentive to". If we play the replacement game, then here are your two sentences:
"Doing X would provide incentive to do Y".
"X would provide incentive to Y" (or, alternately, "X would motivate Y").
They're actually not the same. Why the confusion? Because, instead of using simple, common phraseology that actually makes sense in standard English, you played with buzzwords that you don't really understand. The result: you've confused your audience.
So, no, you're not grotesque. But you're not really communicating, either.
If you're on a laptop either put down two fingers on the trackpad or hold down ctrl then click. If on a desktop just click the right sid of the mouse. Seriously why is this still a reason people make fun of macs for?!
The painful truth is MS products are good enough in most people's eyes, and that's all that matters at the moment. The computer is a means to an end to most people. They have real, actual concerns to deal with that don't involve nerd drama.
right and wrong at the same time. Yes, to my wife the PC is just a tool, to browse the internet and download e-mail, but even if the computer runs XP pro, she does use Firefox and Thunderbird... so if i had to change the computer to Vista, or Windows seven, I could always set up an ubuntu rig, she'd probably not even notice.
Why did I do that? because with most new versions of old software by Microsoft, be it office, IE, or vista, the unskilled user has had a more troubling experience, a steeper learning curve, and in many cases a noticeable lack of performance. try installing Vista on a 20 month old hardware, and you'll get the question "can I go back to what I was using?", followed by "is there something else?"
So no, it's not the slashdot crowd that's whining at windows anymore, it's the MS customer crowd. Slashdotters only gloat.
"If a boss demands loyalty, give him integrity. But if he demands integrity, give him loyalty." (John Boyd, 1927-1997)
it can be installed in XP, i just installed a release candidate some days ago and work great, don't use it much but the few pages i've opened with seems to work good
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What on earth are you doing to it?! I don't remember the last time I reinstalled windows because my PC still runs like a dream, and I've punished the crap out of it.
Now, I dislike Microsoft, and I would be using a linux distro full-time if it weren't for my PC gaming, but I never run into any of the problems people go on about. Hell, I've only had one or two bluescreens since Win98 due to some crappy display drivers! This PC is on practically 24/7, and I only ever turn it off when I'm going to be away for more than four days!
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I do think so.
There are a number of real words that would fit the bill in your example. They include...
encourage
cause
incite
persuade
and lots more. The English language has an enormous number of words. Sometimes, when there isn't an appropriate word, one needs to be invented. Sometimes they are imported from other languages and sometimes they are existing ones used in a new way.
What it does not need is sub-literate PHB buzz-speak. That fits the word "pathetic". That sort of excuse for communication just shows the need for basic literacy.
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It's not ignorance - it's disagreement with your personal opinion.
If you have some kind of refutation regarding my "opinion" about IE6, then I'm interested. have my doubts that you've got any such thing, however, if you can casually dismiss it as "just an opinion."
It's certainly not just my personal opinion. It's not just groupthink opinion. It's a rather deserved judgment shared by just about every person I've ever encountered who's tried to do any serious client side development on the web, it's the opinion of tens of thousands of developers who've had to do systems or application-level development on anything Microsoft touched before Win2k, it's the opinion of tens of thousands whose projects and employment were touched by anti-competetive practices back in the day when Microsoft's market power wasn't just great it was genuinely frightening.
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