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Netflix To Offer Streaming-Only Service Plans

MojoKid writes "Debates are raging as to what the future of movie distribution will look like. There are those who claim that physical discs, like DVDs, Blu-ray, and whatever format will eventually supplant Blu-ray, will always deliver a superior viewing experience versus anything that will be available via streaming. Pundits on the other side of the debate say that as broadband's footprint continues to expand, quality is improving. Interestingly, Netflix CEO Reed Hastings is siding firmly with the latter camp, and it would even appear that Netflix is gearing up to move all of its eggs from the mail-distribution basket to the online streaming basket. Hastings indicated that perhaps as soon as later this year or sometime in 2010, Netflix might start offering online-streaming-only subscription plans beyond just its current Starz plan."

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  1. ok by Starteck81 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think that's a great idea but they need to get a much larger part of their DVD library avilable on the streaming side before that will become popular.

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    1. Re:ok by NeverVotedBush · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't remember where I saw it - probably somewhere when I was researching the Roku player - but there was something about the reason NetFlix didn't have the newest releases was due to noncompete in their contracts. The DVD/studio people want time to market the DVDs to consumers.

      With pay per view and DVD rentals, there is apparently a payment made that keeps them happy. I don't know if that is currently true with the stuff NetFlix streams. What they offer on streaming might be pretty similar to what is made available through broadcast TV.

      I could see this as an opportunity for NetFlix to offer a tiered subscription, though. Free streaming of older, less mainstream stuff, and then pay a higher subscription price for the same stuff they mail out on DVDs. Maybe they are waiting on a sufficiently large installed base of NetFlix streaming compatible players.

      Not to malign what they offer through streaming - I am a long way from running out of movies and such that I want to see that are already available.

    2. Re:ok by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >>>I think that's a great idea

      I don't. My internet connection only offers 0.8 megabit/s quality, while Bluray averages ~40 megabit/s, Clearly the physical option offers the best picture quality, and also the cheapest option ($180/year for internet versus $0 to have amazon.com deliver the discs to me). Plus the convenience of owning the TV show or movie for multiple viewings.

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  2. "all their eggs" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Offering a streaming-only option IN ADDITION TO their regular mail+streaming option isn't putting all their eggs in one basket. In fact, it's the opposite. They're offering their customers more diverse options.

    1. Re:"all their eggs" by perlchild · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Exactly...

      In fact Netflix may just be showing us the future of content monetization.

      Offer, for a fee, media people are willing to pay for, not based on your technology choices, leave it, as much as possible, to them.

      Netflix has the distribution platform, check, the client base, check, the mindshare, check. They are waiting for the MPAA licenses etc... But as long as they give more freedom to the consumer(not necessarily for free) and keep it as much a "I gave you my money, I just want it to work" experience, they will print money with it.

  3. Not ready for prime time by thered2001 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've used the Netflix service and I'd have to say the quality is OK but not nearly good enough to replace DVDs. It's especially poor at the beginning of films. And while they have a lot of titles, there are still notable absences.

    In my experience, Fox TV's service is far better w/r/t quality. It frequently looks as good as DVDs.

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    1. Re:Not ready for prime time by SlashdotOgre · · Score: 2, Informative

      Have you only viewed it on a computer (which limits you to standard def), or have you actually used one of the third party devices that connect to HDTV's and support HD streams? I have both an Xbox 360 and a Tivo Series 3, they each support Netflix's streaming service in HD, and they both look fantastic. Now not everything is in HD, but at least most new TV series (Heroes, The Office, etc.) are all supported. Even non-HD stuff looks pretty good, although again that may just be due to the Tivo or Xbox 360, since they don't support Linux, I really can't comment too much on the desktop.

      I signed up in November when the Xbox 360 started supporting it, I'm on their lowest plan (1 DVD out at a time), and haven't even watched one disk. However I've finished two seasons of the office, and watched a handful of movies through streaming. If they offered a streaming only plan for like $5.99-7.99 a mo I would downgrade to it immediately.

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    2. Re:Not ready for prime time by NeverVotedBush · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How do you set the bit rate? I haven't seen it in the Roku menus. I have set my screen type which I am sure would affect bit rate. Is that what you mean or is this on a different player?

    3. Re:Not ready for prime time by NeverVotedBush · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have the Roku player and pipe it into a Sony HDTV. It looks beautiful on most Netflix offerings.

      Even with the HD offerings, though, the quality isn't as good as a DVD in my upconverting DVD player but it is better than non-digital cable or broadcast.

      I love my Roku player and it's probably the best $100 I've spend on entertainment. I've also been watching the various TV series (Star Trek is in HD too), lots of documentaries (History Channel, PBS, etc) and some movies. It is certainly easily watchable.

      There are some artifacts in the images, though, especially when the screen is mostly one color or shade - you will see the digitization as blockiness. But that's generally not an issue and easily overlooked for the kind of viewing I use the Roku for.

      I have the single DVD but unlimited tradeouts (which gets me free streaming), and anything I want to see in really high quality, I just get as a mailed DVD. I can wait a day or two.

      Other than that, the only other issue I've seen is on Saturday evenings, the image quality can go down a little but I think that is due to heavy load on the NetFlix servers or through network choke points near them.

      As an aside, I started out with the Roku on a 1.5 Mbps DSL connection through Qwest. During movies, the load held fairly constant at about 1.3 Mbps. With so little headroom, and since I've been pining for faster speeds anyway, I upgraded my service to 7 Mbps. Now, instead of a constant 1.3 Mbps, I see pulses of download traffic up to around 5-6 Mbps and then periods of no activity in between. The average still comes out around 1.3 Mbps.

      But I have no problem recommending streaming NetFlix and I love the little Roku player.

    4. Re:Not ready for prime time by NeverVotedBush · · Score: 2, Informative

      Regarding not needing cable, I recently updated my Roku firmware and it mentioned that Amazon was going to also be streaming through the Roku and they were going to be streaming network TV as well.

      From the Roku "What's New" menu page:

      By now you've noticed our new Home screen. This screen will become your launching pad for a number of great new channels that will begin to appear on your player in early 2009. In addition to the hugely popular Netflix channel, you'll see new movie channels, TV channels, web video channels and more!

      We've also upgraded your player to support an advanced video format that will deliver better video quality, especially over slower Internet connections.

      Finally, your player is now fully HD capable. If you have an HDTV, select "update display type" below to get the full HD experience. (Tip: visit www.netflix.com/instantHD for HD movies from Netflix.)

    5. Re:Not ready for prime time by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2

      The video is not on a quality level with a good upconverted DVD, and the sound is still only two channel. And it is bogs years behind some of the new BluRay players with interpolated deep color and DTS-MA audio.

      Not to mention that the catalog available does not compare. Ar the studios going to give up on physical DVD sales? Seems unlikely to me.

      Netflix may want to move to streaming exclusively, but I think that many of their customers will have differing ideas.

      Personally I think Netflix may be jimping the shark here.

  4. Support more Systems by JackieBrown · · Score: 2, Interesting

    With Hulu letting us watch on our Linux boxes, will Netflix move towards this as well if this is going to be their new distrubution model?

    I hope so.

    Playon does not help us.

    1. Re:Support more Systems by iminplaya · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hulu and several other media sites don't work outside the US, and finding an adequately responsive proxy is a bigger pain than I thought.

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    2. Re:Support more Systems by at_slashdot · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Netflix doesn't have ads, Hulu has. I moved away from TV to Netflix exactly because of ads.

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  5. Unwatchable by pete-classic · · Score: 3, Informative

    Between the video quality and the quality of the selection, "watch instantly" is just about unwatchable.

    The visual quality doesn't even begin to compare to DVD. There's a huge gap to make up to even consider comparing it with Bluray.

    The question is, does a significant portion of the movie watching population care? It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

    -Peter

    1. Re:Unwatchable by timeOday · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The question is, does a significant portion of the movie watching population care? It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

      I consider this whole issue almost moot, since we already know how it will play out: streaming video will win.

      Selection: It's obvious why selection will be so much greater without having to carry huge inventories of discs.

      Image quality: again, it's only a matter of time. Online, software-based formats will have better quality since they can more easily evolve. For me this is already the case; since I haven't bought a blu-ray, the only way to get better-than-dvd quality is by downloading something in high-def and watching on a laptop. Bandwidth seems like a big-issue at the moment, but compared to the text-only Internet of the early 90's, we're already about 90% of the way there.

      So what is this whole discussion about? Whether supplanting discs with streaming will take two years vs. five years?

    2. Re:Unwatchable by moosesocks · · Score: 2

      I'll concur with this.

      My (completely unscientific) observation was that Netflix HD streaming is about on par with a DVD. Because it presumably uses VBR encoding, some scenes are better than what you'd see on a DVD, and some are a bit worse.

      Overall, however, the quality's considerably better than what you'd see via a analogue SD broadcast, comparable to a DVD, but worse than a true 1080i HD broadcast. Given the convenience, this is "good enough" for me, especially considering that it's fairly easy to bump up the video quality without having to change the hardware.

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  6. NetFlix vs Blockbuster by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The real challenge is how do you give users the flexibility to watch multiple movies at the same time or watch without an active internet connection?

    BB advantage is that not only do you get videos by mail but you can return at stores for an instore rental plus 2x month I get free game/video rental coupons. As a result, BB is a better deal since I get about 2x the DVDs at a time, plus a large mail back catalog of stuff not in the store. As a result, I get the latest releases from the B&M and the older stuff by mail. BB has so far leveraged the online/ B&M model quite well with something NetFlix can't match. So for only a few bucks more than NetFlix I get a better deal.

    The challenge I see for NetFlix is dealing with the moves towards bandwidth caps - a movie a night is likely to rapidly push people to the cap; and they are likely to be mad at NetFlix, not their ISP. As a result, I see pressure form larger ISPs, at least, to pressure NetFlix in paying for bandwidth or working out a revenue split where NetFlix is bundled with the service.

    Of course, once WalMart buys NetFlix and RedBox all bets are off for BB. You read it here first.

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  7. I'm not sure that's quite right by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are those who claim that physical discs like DVDs, Blu-ray, and whatever format will eventually supplant Blu-ray will always deliver a superior viewing experience versus anything that will be available via streaming

    While this is the argument that gets bandied about a lot, I don't believe it's actually the crux of the matter. But I think it's more accurate of the situation to frame it this way: For the majority of people, is the (overall) streaming experience good enough? Because for a lot of folks, convenience may be more important than a small uptick in quality.

    For a somewhat analogous situation, I look to my teenage daughter's friends and their music buying habits. They almost exclusively buy their music from iTunes, even though no one can really argue that an iTunes or iTunes Plus encoding is as good as a CD, and the costs are more or less equivalent. But the quality difference is quite small (subjectively speaking, of course), and the convenience factor is huge.

    There will always be some people for whom absolute quality trumps all else. The REAL question is, is this group large enough to sustain an ongoing market of manufacturing and selling physical media?

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  8. No, they really don't... by judolphin · · Score: 2

    Don't get me wrong, it would be nice if Netflix streamed all movies ever known to mankind... but I humbly disagree. To me, the main competitors to Netflix streaming are pay-per-view, HBO, Showtime, etc. A limited selection of movies that can be played on demand for ~$8/month beats the hell out of (and is cheaper than) premium cable channels and pay-per-view.

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