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Sony Blu-spec CD Format Detailed, Hits Stores

CNETNate writes "More details about Sony's new Blu-spec CD format — standard CDs authored using Blu-ray's blue diode technology — are beginning to emerge, with commercial releases beginning to hit Amazon. Blu-spec CDs are compatible with existing CD players but have been mastered with higher levels of accuracy by using the same technology used to author Blu-ray discs, with the intention of eliminating reading errors that occur as a result of being authored with traditional red laser technology. Sony has also launched an official (Japanese) site for Blu-spec CDs."

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  1. I'm unimpressed. by Sj0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This reminds me of the gold plated cables "to ensure the digital signal has the highest fidelity".

    This looks like snake oil marketed to the "I'm a pretend audiophile who loves buying more expensive things with questionable benefits" crowd.

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    1. Re:I'm unimpressed. by LUH+3418 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I feel the same way. I never ever had problems with defective audio CDs, or none that my non-audiophile ears could detect anyways! Furthermore, aren't audio CD sales constantly dropping? Do we really need more odd physical media formats?

    2. Re:I'm unimpressed. by Sj0 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Read the summary again. This isn't blu-ray, it's just using a blue laser to regular burn CDs instead of a red one.

      It's solving a problem nobody has.

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    3. Re:I'm unimpressed. by Sj0 · · Score: 4, Funny

      You can use high intensity laser diodes in engines instead of spark plugs. Sure, it's more expensive and doesn't have any benefit, but it's NEWER!

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    4. Re:I'm unimpressed. by Nerdfest · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's attempting to solve a very serious problem ... Sony's not making enough damn money.

    5. Re:I'm unimpressed. by UnknowingFool · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, no, no. You use high intensity laser diodes because the are SHINIER. Hmmpf.

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    6. Re:I'm unimpressed. by Guysmiley777 · · Score: 5, Funny

      And make sure you follow your $500 Ethernet cable's directional markings to allow for optimal signal transfer!

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    7. Re:I'm unimpressed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Perhaps we'll see regular CDs drop to 8 bucks, and these new (identical) cds priced at 20-30 bucks.
      No, you'll see these new cds priced at $20-30 and they won't make the older ones anymore.

    8. Re:I'm unimpressed. by Clarious · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If i'm not wrong, Audio CD are error tolerant, they was designed to play without being interrupted by ignoring minor errors while reading. Because everyone will be more angry if their CD is skipping like crazy than having little distortion in the sound. That is why programs like EAC exist, they can check if the reader are bypassing errors or not so a (near) perfect copy of the audio data on the CD can be created.

      I keep my CDs carefully and I don't have a great ear so I can't say that my CDs give different sound over years. But there are a lot of audiophiles around, and when they want to create a lossless copy of the CD, everything has to be 'lossless', from the source to the encoding.

      But IMO, this technology is useless as some other ones from Sony.

    9. Re:I'm unimpressed. by SCPRedMage · · Score: 5, Informative

      This isn't actually a new "physical media format". It's just a CD made with a blue laser instead of a red laser. They're still readable by any old CD player; the only difference is that they supposedly have a lower error rate.

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    10. Re:I'm unimpressed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      CDs aren't created directly with lasers. The pit-land pattern is etched into a glass master, from which the stamps are produced which are used to press the polycarbonate discs that end up in our CD-players. The step which involves a laser is the activation of the photochemical surface of the glas master. Where the photochemical surface is washed away, the etching process creates the pits. I think it's a stretch to think that switching to a blue laser can provide a noticeable benefit in that process.

    11. Re:I'm unimpressed. by DrLang21 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I usually just use rubber standoffs to dampen the vibrations caused by all the 1's going through.

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    12. Re:I'm unimpressed. by adolf · · Score: 4, Funny

      CDs bought in the store are made with lasers: The glass master is made with a laser. And if improvements to accuracy are to be made by changing the wavelength, I'd say it would say that it would be at the glass master stage where there would be the most effect.

      Further, TFA (which you neglected to read) talks about releasing some 60 titles using this newish process. It's obviously not all about home recording.

      And mastering houses aren't concerned with speed. They're deep into the funky voodoo of slow, methodical, and reliable. The better ones are almost certainly still burning with carefully-maintained 8x Yamaha and Plextor SCSI drives, and probably even then at rates no greater than 2x or 4x, on carefully-chosen media.

      And even if it were: Faster burns, lower error rate? Jesus, man. We'd be burning them faster for years now, with either red or infrared lasers, if the fucking discs didn't distort from centripetal force to the point of being unusable at somewhere around 52x. And it should be obvious, but: Changing the color of the laser doesn't make the disc spin any faster.

      Do you apply this much guesswork in other aspects of your daily life?

    13. Re:I'm unimpressed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's an extra $300 for the snagless version, the clip cover is platinum, the density of the platinum gives it improved snaglessness, the clip cover is also imbued with magical snag fighting powers via Denon's proprietary shamanizing processes which will banish snags to the land of wind and ghosts!

    14. Re:I'm unimpressed. by aliquis · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's the point of an audio CD.

      No.

      Why post shit like that when you have no idea?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Book_(audio_CD_standard) Audio-CD
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Book_(CD_standard) CD-ROM
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-R#History Orange book (CD-R)

      The whole bunch:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Books

      Red:
      "On the disc, the data is stored in sectors of 2352 bytes each, read at 75 sectors per second. Onto this the overhead of EFM, CIRC, L2 ECC, and so on, is added, but these are not typically exposed to the application reading the disc."

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-ROM#CD-ROM_format
      "In order to achieve improved error correction and detection, a CD-ROM has a third layer of Reed-Solomon error correction.[2] A Mode-1 CD-ROM, which has the full three layers of error correction data, contains a net 2048 bytes of the available 2352 per sector. In a Mode-2 CD-ROM, which is mostly used for video files, there are 2336 user-available bytes per sector."

      So less bytes / sector for data = more for error correction.

  2. Huh? by mweather · · Score: 3, Insightful

    h the intention of eliminating reading errors that occur as a result of being authored with traditional red laser technology.

    I thought commercial CDs were pressed, not burnt.

    1. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      10 ETCH MASTER WITH LASER
      20 PRESS CD WITH MASTER
      30 PROFIT AND COMPLAIN
      40 GOTO 20

    2. Re:Huh? by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, commercial CDs are pressed from masters... this is a supposedly more accurate way of creating the masters.

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    3. Re:Huh? by setirw · · Score: 4, Informative

      The final polycarbonate disc is pressed. The glass master, however, is etched with a laser. The summary's still incorrect, though, as the master's created using a UV or violet laser.

      TFA could be referring to the fact that red lasers are used to check the master for consistency.

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  3. Heh by Phroggy · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you RTFA, you'll notice the bottom half of it is titled:

    Why this is all marketing nonsense

    Funny how the summary left out that part.

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    1. Re:Heh by dfm3 · · Score: 5, Funny

      RTFA? Accurate Summary? You must be n- *looks at uid* uh, nevermind. :-P

  4. Impressions... by Firethorn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would have been more impressed if they'd somehow managed to keep it compatible while 'hiding' a second layer such that while you'd get the traditional old two channel audio with a traditional player, a blue laser player would be able to access the second layer, enabling high fidelity, high bitrate 6 or even 8 channel sound.

    As is, it sounds like they're eliminating 'errors' by doing the equivalent of printing old 200 dpi images with a modern 1200 dpi printer. Sure, it's a bit cleaner, but there's no additional information.

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  5. Mahoney! by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 3, Funny

    I think the more important thing that every is missing here is that Steve Guttenberg seems to have found employment again!

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  6. Finally a complement for my 200$ gold tipped cable by mikeabbott420 · · Score: 5, Funny

    my bits will be much higher fidelity than other peoples! my zeros will be round and full and my ones will be straight and clean!

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  7. Data recovery of old CD-R by troll8901 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Of course, most drives manufactured these days are designed to handle the oddities of CD-Rs ...

    Oddly enough, I found that my old CD-Rs (from 2001) can't be read on a modern tri-format DVD writer, but can be read accurately on a Sony-branded CDROM drive. I've verified it by copying out a 300MB ZIP file and testing it.

    Of course, I found I can read my old pressed CDROMs (from 1993).

    Anyway, to keep on topic ... link to Blue-spec CD. Oh my goodness, the article's changing right before my very eyes (21:12, 26 February 2009)!

  8. Re:Is it DRM free? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are no foolproof methods; but there are a variety of techniques that have been tried, with more pain to the legitimate than to the pirates, as usual.

    There are two basic schools of design for Audio CD DRM: The one is to include, in a location that won't interfere with the audio tracks, a data track, and put some sort of nastiness in it, set to autoplay on insertion. This is .

    The other main method is to exploit differences between the Red Book standard(audio CDs) and the Yellow Book standard(CDROM drives) and introduce deliberate errors into your CD that will be negligible under redbook but problematic under yellow book. Because this is a hack, there are no really good ways to do it(and, it causes real issues with some newer stereos that use CDROM drives); but that is how it is tried.

  9. Make them harder. by DamnStupidElf · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Stick a better anti-scratch coating on the data side of CDs
    (and DVDs), and they'll be much better than just cutting the pits and lands more accurately.

  10. Re:Ok by Miamicanes · · Score: 5, Interesting

    > Uh...hello? What exactly is the point, then? Last I heard, portable CD players have been made completely and utterly obsolete
    > due to the advent of portable MP3 players, which are now cheaper, smaller, and can hold a whole CD binder worth of music in a
    > device smaller than a cellphone.

    Not... quite...

    The main reason why more and more people think mp3 audio sounds as good as CD audio is because the audio fidelity of CDs has gone down the toilet over the past decade. It's as if the recording engineers of the world have completely forgotten EVERYTHING they learned during the previous 25 years. Modern CDs have CLIPPING, for god's sake. That's inexcusable. Combine sloppy mastering with media of diminishing quality and players whose quality basically ceased to exist 5 years ago, and you have the reason why most current CDs sound like crap. Modern CD players never skip, because they have big ram buffers so they can recover from skips before the listener realizes it happened at all, but pretty much every other spec meaningful to CD players has gone downhill since the mid-90s.

    Find a DDD Telarc disc from the early 90s that was intended to show off the capabilities of CD players back then -- wide dynamic range, basically 0% cross-channel interference, the works. Now rip it, and try to make the best-quality mp3/ogg encoding possible. Now do a blind comparison of the two. I guarantee you'll be able to tell the difference. You might have a hard time telling which is which if you hear it in isolation, but side by side you'll have no problem figuring out which one is compressed.

    Put another way, the quality of compressed audio hasn't increased... the quality of CD audio has fallen compared to the quality it had during its golden era. 15 years ago, record companies spent lots of money trying to master perfect CDs, because they knew every disc they released was going to be scrutinized for the tiniest audio imperfection. Now, they don't even bother trying... and wonder why their customers don't bother *buying*.

    If every new Britney Spears & Madonna disc had the production standards and "reach out and touch the music" clarity that the best Telarc discs had 20 years ago, people would STILL be buying them at stores, even if they intended to rip them to mp3 for convenience. Why? The added value of a flawless, premium-quality master from which to rip at will. We'd probably even start seeing "mp3" players that can play raw PCM, and people taking advantage of SDHC media's capacity to "rip them raw". Even a 2 gigabyte microSD card can hold ~3 CDs worth of uncompressed data.

  11. Stop the loudness war instead? by Daas · · Score: 5, Informative

    Instead of that bullcr**, they could just stop reducing the dynamic range of our music and give us back the sound our CDs were supposed to produce...

    See : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war

  12. DVD-Audio by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I want DVD-Audio standard in all contemporary "CD players" hitting the markets, but this isn't happening. It should have been happening years ago. MP3-containing CDs happened, but DVD-audio never caught on... would have been out of bounds for MP3 to encode anyway (5 channels), and we'd all be using Ogg Vorbis.

  13. How this works... by Burning1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This technology works by increasing the resolution of the bits coded onto the CD, so that the zeros are rounder, and the ones have the little tip at the top, and a flat line along the bottom.

    But seriously... How about we improve CDs by setting a standard that eliminates harsh audio compression, and sets limits on the audio leveling..?

  14. The benefits are obvious... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Of course blue lasers are better to author CD's. Want proof of the superiority of blue?

    GI Joe v. Cobra: Good guys have blue lasers
    Jedi v. Sith: Good guys have blue light sabers and blue lasers, the bad guys have red
    Smurfs v. Gargmel: Good guys are blue, bad guy has a reddish cat.

    I rest my case.