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Apple Store Reopens With Many New Products

An anonymous reader writes "After being down for a couple of hours, the Apple store reopened this morning. All of the speculation has turned out to be a reality with Apple dishing out many new products and among them are; iMac 20", three iMac 24" models, two Mac Mini models, and two Mac Pro models — with one including an ATI Radeon HD 4570 graphics card. Also as rumored, there was the new Airport Extreme, and Time Capsule in 1TB. The Mac Pro is the granddaddy of them all. The lower-end Quad Core system includes a 2.66Ghz Quad-Core Intel Xeon processor, 3GB of memory, 640GB hard drive, 18x double-layer Superdrive, and a NVIDIA Geforce GT 120 with 512MB of memory priced at $2,499. Finally, we have the 8-core system which includes two 2.26Ghz Quad-Core Intel Xeon processors, 6GB of memory, 640GB hard drive, the 18x double-layer Superdrive, and of course the NVIDIA Geforce GT 120 with 512MB of memory priced at $3,299."

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  1. Eh by dreamchaser · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wake me up when they make a nice, expandable, mid ranged desktop class Mac. I still think that's the big gap in their lineup.

    1. Re:Eh by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Expansion isn't as important these days. Most people will only want to upgrade the HDD and perhaps the RAM, both of which the iMac will do. You can also add a 2nd monitor to it, USB will do the rest. People who make their own computers or have some niche requirements may not like the all-in-one designs, but that's not the majority, and hardly a glaring gap in their line-up.

    2. Re:Eh by drsmithy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wake me up when they make a nice, expandable, mid ranged desktop class Mac.

      Amazingly, that now pretty much describes the bottom end Mac Pro...

      ...Except for the price tag.

    3. Re:Eh by binary+paladin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      *sigh*

      Look, I don't like iMacs because of the built in display. That might not be YOUR problem with them (the cost doesn't bug me) but it's my primary beef.

      People like iMacs. Otherwise, Apple wouldn't be selling them. I understand why the crowd here doesn't like them and even doesn't get them. Again, they're not selling to you. They're selling to someone who just plugs it in and turns it on like any appliance. It's easier to set up than a DVD player.

      Also, people here seem to measure computer purely in terms of tech specs. There is something to be said for the simplicity of the iMac. Although its strengths are weaknesses to someone like me.

      The critics here can complain and complain that THEIR needs aren't being met by Apple, but again... Apple doesn't care. The iMac is an exceptionally popular machine. I wouldn't use it, but I'd certainly consider putting my mom on one (she's on a Mini now). It's stylish, clean, etc. Those things MATTER to some people and they certainly matter to the people that buy them.

      Again, I would love an affordable Apple tower (I'd even pay more than normal for it if the case were half as cool as the Pro's) and don't want an iMac. I also hate BMWs, but don't find myself confused when people buy them. BMW isn't selling to ME. That's the problem people miss. "Apple is sitting on a gold mine if they just targeted people with my needs and budget! There are dozens of me! They're so stupid."

      They're not stupid. That's why they're continuing to make bank. Evil? In many respects. Lock in? Totally. Products not well suited to gamers? Who woulda thunk it? But they don't sell to you and they don't make OS X generically available because they don't find that it's financially viable and no forum dweller is going to convince them otherwise. The problem continue to be, in this crowd in particular, a sense of entitlement. "I deserve to be able to install OS X wherever I want." No, you don't no more than I "deserve" to be able to throw a Honda alternator in a Dodge.

    4. Re:Eh by SeanMon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Amazingly, that now pretty much describes the bottom end Mac Pro...

      ...Except for the price tag.

      Except for the price tag and the use of overpriced server-class components, yes. The really screwy thing, of course, is that the 24" iMacs all have 4GB of RAM, whereas the hideously expensive quad-core Mac Pro has only 3GB (and you can bet Apple will charge through the nose for more).

      And you can bet that it has 3GB because it's using triple-channel DDR3, which is required with the latest Core i7 processors and boards.

      --
      "Scud Storm!" -- Jeremy of PurePwnage.com
  2. Not as American as you might think by realxmp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The majority of their Macs, iPhones and displays are manufactured, assembled and shipped straight to their destination from Asia. The only parts of Apple that is really American is their R&D and sales and marketing parts, the rest was outsourced years ago.

    Instead of looking at the Pound-Dollar relationship you probably want to take a closer look at the relationship between the pound and the currencies of South Korea, etc.

    1. Re:Not as American as you might think by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The only parts of Apple that is really American is their R&D and sales and marketing parts

      And the only parts of Apple that distinguish a Mac from any old Lenovo or Lenovo-compatible PC is their R&D and sales and marketing parts.

  3. For the Mac Minis,... by walter_f · · Score: 3, Insightful

    an increase in price, and not a minor one.

    The entry level Mini now has 128 MB of video RAM, but a shared one as before and with still 1 GB RAM total.

    Then again, you get even more of these USB ports than before - great, isn't it? Especially considering the price jump of 100 euros over here in Europe.

    But at least one good thing: Apple did not throw out Firewire from the Minis, so we should probably praise them for this, day and night...

  4. I think that category is fading by wiredog · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How many people who would buy one would upgrade it? At the mid range you can get a pretty good (Windows or Linux) laptop, or iMac, or Mac Mini. High-end, sure, you want to put in the latest and greatest video card, or USB 3.0 card, without buying a new box. But any other expansion? Why not use USB? Or bluetooth? Most devices will work Well Enough that way. The EyeTV HDTV tuner is USB and works fine.

    A Mac Mini looks to be a decent media center if you get a wireless keyboard+mouse and download HandBrake+VLC. A better AppleTV than the AppleTV, since it comes with a DVD player. The 24" iMac is Good Enough for anyone who isn't a media producer. It's certainly a decent software development machine, although a Mac Pro is better since it can do multiple screens.

    1. Re:I think that category is fading by EastCoastSurfer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes. At some point you have say "this costs too much and isn't worth it." $599 is a 20% increase over $499.

    2. Re:I think that category is fading by lucas+teh+geek · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I wont buy an iMac until they support the opposite feature. when the iMac is getting old and slow, the 24" screen will still be perfectly fine; I'd like to be able to use it as just a monitor, so it could be the second desktop for the iMac bought to replace it.

      --
      TIAEAE!
    3. Re:I think that category is fading by stewbacca · · Score: 3, Insightful
      And I disagree with this:

      I have to respectfully disagree with you on the "midrange" idea. Apple did that under Scully and had a panalopy of mis-named models, like Centris, Deforma? Quadro, Hydra? I think it confused the market.

      All they need is ONE model, and they could even call it...drum roll...Macintosh. There would be no confusion, as long as they made one model (with the same type of upgrade options you see now on the Apple store). A simple tower with two or three expansion slots an expansion bay..generic Intel processor, like a 2.4 C2duo, 2gb ram, 500mb hard drive, and $600 price tag (no monitor). It would be a couple hundred dollars more than an equivalent Dell Inspiron 5xx, but it would run OSX (worth the extra money) and benefit from consistently high consumer reports ratings in dependability and service.

  5. Prices are completely nuts by Spatial · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The lower-end Quad Core system includes a 2.66Ghz Quad-Core Intel Xeon processor, 3GB of memory, 640GB hard drive, 18x double-layer Superdrive, and a NVIDIA Geforce GT 120 with 512MB of memory priced at $2,499.

    Since they don't come with a monitor, the profit margin on these things must be around 50%. Wow!

    The hardware is typical mid-range stuff: decent hard disc, low-end GPU (renamed 9600GSO) and mid-high end CPU (renamed i7 920). Including a high quality motherboard and PSU, that would cost around 900 dollars at retail. That leaves a healthy 1,600 for the case, OS, software and peripherals.

    Honest question: Who buys these things?

    1. Re:Prices are completely nuts by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      People that want the Apple name in their house and dont understand the the the price they are paying is not worth the equipment they are getting.

      ...to you. As their market share is still increasing, and quickly, it's objectively true that their equipment is worth what people are paying. Whether you think that's fair or reasonable is irrelevant: the market has spoken.

      Hold on what am I thinking this is Apple the all mighty and great the fans will flock to them and pay what ever they want.

      I'm not a fanboy. I have a Mac only because a friend was practically giving one away. Still, when it up and dies, it will probably be replaced by another one.

      I spend all day managing FreeBSD and OpenBSD servers from a heavily-hacked Linux desktop. I don't like the Mac because I'm not capable of anything else, or because I can't build my own (like the handmade home server sitting next to it), but because when I get home at night I just don't to mess around to get the thing working. I like doing normal-people things like making home movies of the kids, and playing with my iPod, and playing closed-source video games. If I can afford a Mac that lets me spend more of my free time doing the things I want to do, then it's my own business if I choose to buy one.

      Looking down on others because you can't comprehend psychology and economics doesn't make you elite. It makes you an uneducated snot who's far more pretentious than the people you're looking down on.

      --
      Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
    2. Re:Prices are completely nuts by obijuanvaldez · · Score: 3, Insightful
      No kidding.
      The Mac Pro spec as priced out on newegg:

      Western Digital Caviar 640GB 7200 RPM SATA Hard Drive $69.99
      Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz Quad-Core Processor $288.99
      EVGA 01G-P3-N959-TR GeForce 9500 GT 1GB Video Card $69.99
      ASUS P6T Deluxe Motherboard $289.99
      LG 22X DVD±R DVD Burner Black SATA $22.99
      LIAN LI PC-60USB B2 Silver Aluminum Case $119.99
      G.SKILL Value 1GB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM $29.99 ea x 3 = $89.97
      Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate SP1 64-bit $179.99
      Rosewill RG530-2 530W Power Supply $54.99

      Subtotal: $1,186.89

      This list may not include incidental things e.g. thermal compound, the exact same number of USB ports, but I think is a fair line by line comparison. Noting that the prices on the Mac Pro will not get better with time, although the above price will. The markup is about 100%. For this item, I am just not buying any argument that if you compare line by line that Apple products are reasonably priced. Literally.

  6. Re:Why give them free pub... by Reapman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Last I saw Apple is a tech company... they just released a ton of new products. How is this not applicable? I guess when Google released their single cellphone, or Microsoft releases a new line of Zune's, that would also not be worthy for technical people?

    If you don't like stories on Apple, you can, you know, set your preferences to block it.

  7. Re:More affordable? Prices sky rocketed in many by sbryant · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Mac Mini got its update but the price is absurd as well.

    Too damn right!

    It's priced at 599 US dollars, and at 599 Euros (for the cheaper one)... except that 599 Euros is well over 750 dollars. I'm sure there will always be price differences, but this is just plain idiotic. That's a price increase of 25%. I think it would actually be cheaper to buy direct from the US and pay shipping and import taxes!

    -- Steve

  8. Re:I've been a Mac fan since my Apple ][+, HOWEVER by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 4, Insightful

    * I live in a multi-computer home environment. I've got two Windows machines, an Ubuntu machine, a MythTV, and random stuff. The Mac works great *when you do everything the OSX way*. However, in a mixed environment, it doesn't. I'm thinking of movies, pictures, address book, and things like that.

    This depends a lot in my experience based upon how you interoperate. OS X is very good at using open standards and file formats provided you pick decent software to run on top of it. It is less good at interoperating with Windows proprietary formats and protocols and if your servers or Windows machines are using them and you're set on them, Linux is often better at reverse engineered solutions. Example, if you standardized on Windows Media formats, OS X will play them, but not as well as Windows or even Linux. If you picked MP3, MP4, OGG, and the like, OS X is much better than Windows at interoperating.

    I bought my iMac G5 20" ALS, and it was a great machine for about 40 months. Then, it failed.

    Your anecdote certainly shows reason to be annoyed, but what could Apple the vendor do to prevent this? Extend their warranties to four years and then people complain when machines fail a month after that. Would you like more reliable hardware? Of course, we all always want more reliable hardware, but Apple already is the top rated among major vendors by consumer reports and other independent reviewers. Some people will always have hardware fail regardless. You're that person. And Apple is already taking flack for using more expensive and reliable components. Just look at all the comments here about how expensive Apple is compared not to the other top rated vendors, but ones with very poor reliability numbers. People don't look at reliability when buying.

    I hate backing up /home/username.

    Umm, you've heard of Time machine, right? You can apply it only to selected parts of your filesystem and it does versioning more smoothly and easily than almost anything. Or, use one of many third party backup solutions that handles them intelligently.

    * The hardware *is* expensive. And, in my experience, very proprietary to the point where a failure totals a machine. My x86 tower is nicely generic.

    Apple has custom motherboards, but other than that, everything is pretty much off the shelf. What are you looking to replace? I don't see how it is any harder than anything else (with the exception of the motherboard which you have to buy from Apple).

    * OSX isn't perfect. Neither is XP/Vista/Ubuntu.

    I don't really see how this is a challenge for Apple. You want them to be perfect? Not going to happen.

    Okay, I don't quite know what my rant is. I'm just in a small minority of "Mac Fanboy for ages, switching to Windows and living just fine."

    Hey, use what you like and what works for you. I use OS X, Linux, and Windows daily. On my laptop Linux and Windows live in VMs and OS X gets the most love because OS X handles migrations the best and because running OS X in a VM on top of Linux or Windows gives me more headaches. People get way to hung up an emotional about these things.