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Firefox Beta Touts Advanced Engine, Solves 8 Flaws

nandemoari writes "Mozilla may be this year's winner in the 'browser battles' as they ready the next beta version of their tour-de-force, Firefox 3.1. Mozilla is resolving eight critical vulnerabilities found in the current version of Firefox — a move sure to garner applause from devoted Firefox users. As this year's crop of new browsers emerges, enhanced features are becoming secondary to one thing: speed. Mozilla is nearly ready to release the next beta version of Firefox 3.1 to the public for testing, and insiders predict that it will outpace even Safari 4, which has been the fastest browser in wide release since its beta began last week." It looks like they also will be upping the next major release to v3.5 to better show the significance of the release.

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  1. I hope they fix a couple of things by Nursie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Right-click is a nightmare on linux platforms (don't know if it affects others, I'm exclusively a linux shop these days).

    It randomly follows an action rather than bringing up the menu about one time in ten. Opening up email programs, choosing a new window, bringing up link properties... needs fixing, badly. (Workaround for fellow sufferers - install mouse gestures add-on)

    Also it seems really really processor-hungry on one of my machines. Wish I knew why.

    1. Re:I hope they fix a couple of things by donstenk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I concur - the Mighty Mouse is not so mighty, Apple's worst product in a long time. I have the problem you describe in Safari 3 and 4 beta. Plus scrolling down has worn out somehow.

      I am now back at using an unbranded (but white!) mouse bought 4 years ago for under 10 euro! The bluetooth one may have a function in the living room for BBC iPlayer etc.

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      Dennis Onstenk
    2. Re:I hope they fix a couple of things by 1stvamp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Have you considered using a mouse that doesn't suck?

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      Wes
    3. Re:I hope they fix a couple of things by electrosoccertux · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't even bother with Firefox on Linux anymore. It's dog slow, and clear that the work goes into the Windows version.

      A year or so ago I thought I'd try something out...if it's so slow in Linux native, what if I tried browsing in Firefox under Wine? Surprise! Wine+Firefox is _much_ faster than native Firefox. Sure enough, this was confirmed a month or two ago on /. The AwesomeBar, in particular, is SLOW in Linux; this is coming from someone running a 3.4Ghz Core 2 Duo chip.

      Not sure why it's this way, but it's pretty clear the work goes into the Windows version and hardly any goes into the native version.

      As a matter of fact, the lack of an alternative decent browser (no please not Opera) on Linux is one of the major reasons why I don't bother with it at all, currently. Yes, I've tried about 7 others (insert your favorite one here); about the only alternative I would be OK with using is Chrome but that's not available for Linux.

      So, I'll just check Linux out again when Chrome comes out for it.

  2. RAM usage by nmg196 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't really care about the speed. It's already fast enough. I just wish they'd sort out the RAM consumption issue and all the memory leaks. My firefox process is currently using 1.1GB of RAM and I have to restart it about twice a day just to free up some RAM. I've only got about 4 extensions installed and I've tried disabling each of them in turn to ensure the problem didn't lie in an extension.

    1. Re:RAM usage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      He's not doing anything wrong! He's only running 300 tabs at all times like any normal person should! Why on earth does that have to take up any RAM? Hell, Firefox should be GIVING him a gig of RAM, just like Opera does!

    2. Re:RAM usage by RebelWebmaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That sounds pretty bad. Have you considered filing a bug with a testcase? That would be infinitely more helpful than complaining on Slashdot. Believe it or not, there are people at Mozilla who do care about such things.

  3. Preferential treatment? by McFadden · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Mozilla is resolving eight critical vulnerabilities found in the current version of Firefox

    Interesting how stories spin out differently depending on the browser in question. If it were an IE story, there would be howls of derision that the vulnerabilities existed in the first place and questions about why Microsoft didn't fix them more quickly.

    1. Re:Preferential treatment? by stoolpigeon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I know. Check out this discussion I had with my neighbor Bob the other day.
      me: Hey Bob, was that your mom just leaving?
      Bob: Yeah, she came over to hang out this afternoon.
      me:Oh - little hypocritical Bob?
      Bob: What do you mean?
      me: Well when that homeless guy that tried to rape and kill your wife came by the other day you called the cops. But you just let your mom right on in and hang out.

      I've decided people are just like that - that can't seem to be impartial. They have some crazy desire to take past actions and relationships into account. Weird.

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      It's hard to believe that's how Micronians are made. Why don't we see it right now by having you both kiss one another?
    2. Re:Preferential treatment? by jonaskoelker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Interesting how stories spin out differently depending on the browser in question.

      Humans aren't perfectly reasoned or objective, nor do they apply the same standards fairly to everyone and everything. More news at 11 ;)

      What would be interesting to point out is why we treat FF better than IE (the interesting question is always "why?").

      I think it's fair of "us" to hate IE, because we are the ones suffering from its bad security. We are the ones who have to clean up after the messes that IE allows others to make. Instead of MS making their browser less flammable, they have us put out unnecessary fires.

      With FF, we could (ostensible) take control ourselves and fix the damn thing. With FF, we have the power to solve a hard problem once instead of a dumb one n times.

      (and of course, there's nothing you can do to secure users from their own willingness to trust untrustworthy people, but that's true for both browsers.)

      When bad IE security causes us pain and good FF security causes us relief, is it any surprise we shame IE for having the bugs while applauding FF for fixing the bugs?

    3. Re:Preferential treatment? by reashlin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I was actually thinking why do 8 critical vulnerabilities exist without ASAP patching...hell a patch with a minor revision number would be good. The idea that I should wait for the next major release of a browser to fix a critical vulnerability is insane.

  4. Re:ACID3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because Acid3 only tests a small part of CSS compliance. Giving fanboys pretty number to shout about should not be a priority. Also, please don't reply to posts that you are actually not replying to. Replying to the first post is obvious attention seeking.

  5. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Firefox 3.x is STILL straddled with the "Awesome Bar" AKA the "Awful Bar". At what point will they recognize the groundswell of DISLIKE for this part of the browser and just go back to the old 2.x behavior?

    Unfortunately, the manner in which they implemented the Awful Bar means that it's impossible to go back unless you want to program your own version. You basically have to DISABLE the bar entirely, simply sacrificing the URL bar for anything other than typing URLs into.

    I thought Firefox was supposed to be a "community" project? Why isn't the community getting input?

    Because the only people who dislike the awesome bar are people who haven't figured out how to train it?

    s = slashdot, y = youtube, i = images.google, g = google, gm = gmail. x = xkcd, etc etc

  6. 8 flaws by GerardAtJob · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I love Firefox, I currently use it... but only one question : 8 flaws solved / how many vulnerabilities not solved?

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    I can't call that English ;-)
  7. Dear Adobe by HockeyPuck · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Please fix your flash plugin. Seems that once a day if I go to a page with considerable flash (which is most pages these days), the browser will crash and when I examine the crashfile, it's *gasp* always you. I've reinstalled flash and FF 3.0.6.....

    1. Re:Dear Adobe by LordKaT · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While you're at it, Adobe, could you also consider fixing the streaming video issues in Firefox? There's no reason on this planet why Firefox's version of flash has to take up 99% CPU on a quad-core system to play video, while the IE version takes a measly 2% to play the same video.

      Oh, and if you could do something - anything - about your 64bit linux support, that would be fantastic. Kill it if you must, or open source it, because your engineers are simply not talented enough to make it work.

    2. Re:Dear Adobe by JCSoRocks · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh ugh, yeah, Adobe + 64bit = Fail. Which is rather ironic considering how much many of their products would benefit from it. I suppose they're too busy adding new DRM and activation schemes to add working 64bit support. 'Cause, you know, those have really stopped people from pirating their software - What a waste of time.

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      You are using English. Please learn the difference between loose and lose; they're, there, and their; your and you're.
  8. Multithreading by owlnation · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This article sounds like empty hype to me.

    I still use Firefox, and will continue to do so for the time being. The reason being adblock and flashblock, exclusively. I am not as happy with Firefox as I was when I first used the 0.8 something version. I feel Mozilla have lost their way. Too much bloat like the awesome bar -- which frankly just does not work for me at all, it's an hindrance, not a help.

    I want to use chrome, because of the multithreading. Firefox absolutely needs to have multithreading to compete. It can be a true dog to use if you have tabs that reload in the background.

    The second that there is some sort of adblock and flashblock for Chrome I'm gone. No more Firefox for me.

    I'm sorry to have to do that. I actually bought the firefox T-Shirt. I was active in the GetFirefox campaign. But now, I use it only because of the extensions.

    Please, Mozilla get your act together. Now more useless features that should really be extensions, and get multithreading sorted. I want to be a Firefox fan again.

    1. Re:Multithreading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Seconded, sick to death of FF grinding to a halt whilst a background tab is doing something (not even JavaScript in many cases, just loading/rendering a scriptless page or image).

      Add this to the fact that the future is multicore CPUs and you have to wonder how Mozilla can justify sticking with a single threaded model.

    2. Re:Multithreading by Fallingcow · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ditto, extensions are the only things keeping me on it.

      Too much bloat like the awesome bar

      Ugh, no kidding. Perfect example of what's wrong with the project these days. Is it occasionally useful? Sure. Does it slow me down the other 99% of the time because it takes way longer to do a huge history search than a simple match on just URLs? HELL yes. Should have been an extension, or at least have had some sort of toggle next to the address bar or via a right-click menu.

  9. Re:And yet by Aladrin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I loved it from the first time I saw it.

    Maybe, just maybe, not everyone hates it. Maybe it's just a vocal minority that hates it. Maybe the 'community' -is- getting input and the problem is that you are going against the community, not them.

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    "If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you." - DM
  10. Re:And yet by LordKaT · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I love the "awesome bar" myself, and I'm willing to bet that the majority of the community in this community project gave Mozilla similar feedback.

    I'll admit, the bar hasn't helped me find the really odd or obscure site I havn't visited in a while, but that's what bookmarks are for.

  11. Re:And yet by HockeyPuck · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What's your beef with the awesome bar? I actually *like* how it searches through my bookmarks as I type in keywords. No more having to go through multiple levels of bookmark folders. I pretty much just click the yellow star to bookmark a page, then add a few custom tags to it. I got rid of the "I feel lucky" google search behavior, but I've been doing that since firefox 1.x...

  12. Re:ACID3 by BenoitRen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The ACID3 test is not important. It tests for unimportant small rendering bugs, and CSS3, which isn't even a standard yet.

  13. Re:And yet by BenoitRen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You shouldn't have to dig in about:config to disable a prominent feature.

  14. when you read by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Microsoft is resolving eight critical vulnerabilities found in the current version of IE -- a move sure to garner applause from devoted IE users."

    slashdot users laugh at the propaganda

    but when a firefox shill says

    "Mozilla is resolving eight critical vulnerabilities found in the current version of Firefox -- a move sure to garner applause from devoted Firefox users."

    slashdot puts it in the story summary reverently

    propaganda is propaganda is propaganda. no matter the source, even if you love the source. just say "firefox fixed some bugs." and leave the sleazy ad copy out of it please

    what next?

    "the exploit found in firefox is a feature, not a bug" maybe?

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    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
    1. Re:when you read by mgblst · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We hate and distrust Microsoft...does this really need to be explained every single fucking time.

      Just because this place has been invaded by Microsoft shills, and people who don't know anything but Microsoft, and people who don't know how to use a cmd line so Microsoft lets them pretend to be IT experts, doesn't mean Slashdot should change the way it is.

  15. Re:ACID3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    So if you want to do it, beware; if it's off topic in the thread at the top it better be a good post and worth reading.

    Or else electrosoccertux will come and GET YOU!!

  16. Re:ACID3 by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I thought that replying to the first post was a sign of horrible UI decisions. Anyone else notice the number of replies to the first post skyrocketed when the new design rolled out?

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    -- 'The' Lord and Master Bitman On High, Master Of All
  17. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Whine whine whine...

    Seriously. If it was a "regular" config option, you'd still complain it wasn't the default. And if it was the default, you'd still complain that the feature was there and that your browser process was wasting memory by including code you're never using. And so on, and so on...

    At least it IS configurable. And believe it or not, some people, like me, actually LIKE the AwesomeBar (although I still think the name is a bit on the silly side).

  18. uh...talk about spin by buddyglass · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The speed boost is attributed to TraceMonkey. I've been testing nightly builds for a while now with TraceMonkey enabled and they're generally outperformed (barely) by Webkit nightly builds, and pretty much trounced by Chrome. So if the author is betting on TraceMonkey to give Firefox as massive lead in Javascript performance then he may be in for an unpleasant surprise.

    He then raves about how eight critical flaws will be fixed in the upcoming version. Say what? That means there are eight critical unpatched flaws in the current released code that have yet to be repaired. That's a bad thing, not a good thing.

  19. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    there's no point in arguing. people dont like change. it's a shame really, but generally speaking, people are idiots. they will always find some ridiculous reason to complain about some change even if it's brilliant.

  20. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Somehow I believe your gripe is not against Moz developers for ignoring some users. I believe it's because they are notably ignoring YOU. Poor baby. The browser you downloaded for free and have not contributed code to doesn't have its development tailored to your whims. Surprise surprise.

    Get used to it, do without, write an extension, build your own, switch to a different browser, or whatever. Just grow up and stop complaining like a spoiled child who hasn't been given enough ice cream for dessert.