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America's New CIO Loves Google

theodp writes "On Thursday, Barack Obama tapped Vivek Kundra for the post of Federal CIO, giving him responsibility for establishing and overseeing enterprise architecture across the federal government. So what might that look like? Well, little more than a month ago Kundra was slated to sing the praises of Google Apps to government officials in a webcast. A Kundra quote from the presentation slides: 'Why should I spend millions on enterprise apps when I can do it [with Google] at one-tenth cost and ten times the speed? It's a win-win for me.' You can follow Kundra's love affair with Google on YouTube, from his announcement of the Google-Washington DC partnership he brokered through a co-starring role with a Google attorney on a video pitching Google-enabled technology for the Obama Administration. Not surprisingly, some say Obama's choice of a Google-party-goer who worships Google could cause big headaches for Microsoft."

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  1. google running our government IT? by arkowitz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I for one have a problem with our government documents and processes being hosted by a private company. At least Microsoft just sells software.

    1. Re:google running our government IT? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1, Insightful
      I hear ya...and also, with EVERYTHING being tied to one company...one set of servers, when Google has an outtage, that means our government comes to a grinding halt?!?!

      There are valid reasons for a heterogeneous computer system, spread out, with different servers and OS's...so that one event doesn't bring everything down to a complete standstill. Haven't we all learned that single point of failure is a dangerous thing?

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    2. Re:google running our government IT? by Ed+Bugg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Exactly... It's the move to a more transparent govt. of course. No more need to file that silly Freedom of Information Act form. Everything will out in the open.

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    3. Re:google running our government IT? by jo42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Google as an entity isn't going anywhere

      As a Google fanboi you would know that Google's primary source of revenue is advertising. If that ever dries up or declines for whatever reason, there is no way in hell they could afford to keep going without actually charging large sums of money for all the free services they provide that are currently funded by ad revenue. This is Google's single point of failure and Achilles' heel. In other word, only an idiot would outsource a companies IT infrastructure to an advertising company.

    4. Re:google running our government IT? by houghi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Reliability is not the problem. A private company handling documents is. Especially if that company is great in doing searches.

      What if in 5 years time Google starts abusing its monopoly and the government decides to take action? If they decide to buy the apps from Google AND they are open source, great. But somehow I doubt that.

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    5. Re:google running our government IT? by digitalgiblet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What makes you think it will be out in the open just because it is hosted by Google?

      Just because it is POSSIBLE to be out in the open, doesn't mean that it will.

      I agree with your sentiment that we need a more transparent government, but I disagree that using Google will necessarily achieve that.

      I use Google every day and have seen no reason to suspect they are up to no good, but it makes me a bit nervous when I see that people seem to trust them completely.

      They are a large, powerful corporation. Even if the current management proves to be saintly, a corporation can change its management. Sometimes against the will of the current management (I'm looking at YOU Yahoo).

      Having the government's information held by a private corporation seems a bit dangerous.

      Cheaper, definitely. More transparent, maybe. Good idea, remains to be seen...

      I certainly hope that if the govt. really goes down that road, that the process by which they do so is absolutely transparent.

      Really well written contracts (and possibly legislative actions) need to spell out EXACTLY what Google can and can't do. It could be implemented very well or very badly. AND there needs to be a fall back. It may be unthinkable for Google to fail, but not that long ago people thought the same of GM, AIG, Citigroup, etc, etc...

    6. Re:google running our government IT? by Lord+Ender · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A motivated attacker can get into any private IT system. If all the world's data is in one place, there will be a heaping load of motivation.

      If all the government's data is in Google's datacenter, it will be made available... to someone...

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    7. Re:google running our government IT? by dontmakemethink · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I for one have a problem with our government documents and processes being hosted by a private company. At least Microsoft just sells software.

      Quote from Microsoft paralegal: "They [Gates, Ballmer] aren't in it for the money anymore, they're multi-billionaires. They have a chance to change the world." I for one have a problem with unelected civilians having that level of influence, especially without the consent of government.

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  2. Am I the only one who cringes at "America's CIO"? by swb · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It sounds as idiotic as "America's Sweetheart" or "America's Team" or anything else that assumes some kind of lockstep agreement.

    America's CIO -- bitching about timesheets, hiring H1-Bs, taking kickbacks from vendors, expecting unpaid overtime & on-call time and canceling vacations at the last minute.

  3. Finally someone who gets it by oodaloop · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I work in the intelligence community, and I have to say we are way behind the commercial side in application development and other IT areas. We spend millions in development of programs that can't begin to match free programs available on the internet like Google Earth. Open Source to us means unclassified information; hardly anyone is aware of Linux, Open Office, or other open source solutions. Having someone who is not beholden to government contractors can only be a good thing. And I say that as a government contractor.

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  4. Re:Aw shucks. by garcia · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Not surprisingly, some say Obama's choice of a Google-party-goer who worships Google could cause big headaches for Microsoft."

    Man, that's just terrible news.

    It kinda is. While I understand the CIO's point that their solution is inexpensive (I don't know if it's faster), I'm concerned that the CIO might make another party just as much of a government supported monopoly as Microsoft used to be. Do we really need to have that sort of thinking occurring?

    While I'm a current supporter (and by supporter I mean user) of Google and their applications, I fear all big businesses, regardless of whatever marketing mantra holdover they may provide to the public, especially those that are supported by government and you probably should too.

  5. Re:Win-Win? Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Except for the fact that Google's software can be hosted privately, and is done so in many businesses. That's another way Google makes money, besides advertising.

  6. Why is everyone so worried... by jhfry · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It seems every third comment is along the lines of... "do we really want our data on a private companies servers?"

    Get a clue, what this guy might do is switch the government to government owned servers running google software. Right now, my email, on the DHS network, is pulled from an exchange server... MS does not own the server. The great thing about google's code is that it would scale much better than anyone else's, eliminate the need for client software on individual workstations, and prevent users from storing mail locally on their machines (archive pst's) as is so commonly done now with the tiny mailboxes and huge attachments that inexperienced users are so fond of sending around here. Because each exchange server has it's own mail store, an attachment could exist on every mail server in our organization... while on google, an attachment is stored very efficiently and only on multiple servers for redundancy purposes.

    My vote is for google code on government owned equipment... it would be by far the most efficient and cost effective solution.

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    1. Re:Why is everyone so worried... by freemywrld · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If they added all of the training and support needed to make this viable do you think that Google would do all of this for free?

      It's called a Support Contract. You aren't getting all that help for free from MS. I'm sure Google is capable of providing a support contract along with a customized solution appropriate for government use.

  7. Huh? I always thought Google *was* the NSA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Now you just confounded me. Or aren't you just allowed to tell us? Come on ;-)

    (FWIW: captcha is "evident". Spooky, ain't it? :-/

  8. Yeah, thank god that MS... by WindBourne · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Yeah, Google has WAY too much power by being a major search engine, and an email hosting.
    Why if they were power hungry, they would be
    1. run a major search engine,
    2. Run a major email hosting site,
    3. part owners of news outlet,
    4. sell internet connections which can be trivially tapped or can even be used to send spam,
    5. control access via their software by excludding others,
    6. download your data with out your knowledge,
    7. Create an OS that is trivial to spam from,
    8. Put ppl out of competition by either buying them, or
    9. Steal other ppls ideas and declare them to be their own. Then tie them up in court until the original company is dead.

    Yeah, thank God that Google is not that bad.

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  9. Re:Government should not "love" any company by D+Ninja · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I, the customer, am responsible for that job. The customers can make companies rich and big, if I like their product. I want the government to be fair to all companies. Just be neutral.

    No. I mean, yes.

    In an ideal world, it would be great if the government could be completely neutral to every company out there. They could take parts from every company and use them to build their infrastructure and everybody would be happy.

    In an ideal world, though, we'd all be rich and nobody would ever fight or say bad things to each other.

    The fact of the matter is, Google does a great job at what it does - manage information. At the end of the day, the government, as a voice for the people, has to make the best decisions it can given what it knows at that time. In my personal opinion, Google is an excellent choice for helping the government to set up an infrastructure and manage the data of the government. And, heck, if it actually saves taxpayers money, all the better.