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Oklahoma, Vatican Take Opposite Tacks On Evolution

nizcolas writes "Notable evolutionary biologist, author, and speaker Richard Dawkins was recently invited to speak on the campus of the University of Oklahoma as part of the school's celebration of Charles Darwin. However, Oklahoma lawmakers are working to silence Dawkins with the passage of House Bill 1015 (RTF), which reads in part: '... the University of Oklahoma ... has invited as a public speaker on campus, Richard Dawkins of Oxford University, whose published opinions, as represented in his 2006 book "The God Delusion," and public statements on the theory of evolution demonstrate an intolerance for cultural diversity and diversity of thinking and are views that are not shared and are not representative of the thinking of a majority of the citizens of Oklahoma ...'" Pending legal action, Dawkins is set to speak tonight at 7 pm. (Luckily, we no longer live in the era of Bertrand Russell's court-ordered dismissal on moral grounds from the College of the City of New York.) And reader thms sends word of the Vatican's Darwin conference (program): "The conference, marking the 150th anniversary of the publication of "The Origin of Species," has been criticized by advocates of Creationism or Intelligent Design for not inviting them. The Muslim creationist Harun Yahya, most famous for his Atlas of Creation, also complained about not being invited."

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  1. This is the core issue by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The core issue is very simple to express. In the 19th century, a trend in english-speaking Christianity appeared that asserted that the Bible was factual and should be interpreted literally. That very simple single assertion on which Christian fundamentalism is based is the root cause of this and many other issues grouped together in the U.S. by the term "Culture Wars."

    It is conceptually simple to understand, particularly for people who are not of an analytical bent. It does not require deep thought or incisive intelligence, it is by and large unambiguous, it results in absolute truths that can be used as rules and maxims, and concentrates all authority on the literal meaning of the scripture. This allows true believers to dismiss anything else out of hand, because the literal interpretation is held to be the literal word of God. That is the great appeal. Simple people need not worry about analysis, interpretation, consistency or anything else. Unfortunately, it is an illusion.

    In practice there is as much ambiguity as before, absolute truths are difficult to pin down, consensus is difficult, and physical reality contradicts practically all attempts to assert literal truth of biblical claims. On top of this is the curious trait of religious fundamentalists in general to cling to their arbitrary beliefs even more strongly in the face of contradiction, as if, rather counterintuitively, that in itself confirmed their beliefs.

  2. Re:Oklahoma? by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think it has to do with Dawkin's bashing of religion and religious people in his TV programs and books by using fallacies which some people call it as "Hate Speech".

    If it was some other Atheist who doesn't have a track record of bashing religion and religious people, I think they would not object to him or her speaking about Evolution.

    I feel that people should be able to have free speech and choose their own religion or choose not to choose a religion if they want.

    Not all Christians are opposed to Evolution proof of that is here. What I think the majority in Oklahoma are objecting to is Dawking's bashing of religion and religious people which has made him a bigot over the years.

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  3. Re:Oklahoma? by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That's not a fallacy at all. Science can most certainly investigate questions about the existence of supernatural entities.

    Just as soon as you claim that this supernatural entity does stuff for you, affects the universe, changes reality, prevents a dude from dying in a plane crash, or any number of other things that religious people attribute to gods, then those things can be investigated and experimented with.

    If you want to claim that your god doesn't touch any part of the world that science can investigate, then that makes you a Deist. And that's a useless sort of god to invent.

    So, go ahead and try again to find a Dawkins fallacy.

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  4. Re:Oklahoma? by PitaBred · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I agree with your stance in general, but I believe that many people have forgotten that freedom of religion in some cases implies a freedom from religion. If your religion forbids a caricature of your profit, er, prophet, that should never be even considered being supported by the legal system. You're free to not draw pictures of your prophet, but you have no right to forbid other people from doing so.

  5. Re:OU Student Here by Abcd1234 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Doesn't it sound arbitrary to wait until a brain is formed to call it human?

    Given we use the same metric to determine when to pull the plug on someone (I'm sure you've heard the term "brain dead" thrown about), I'd say, no, it's not arbitrary at all. It's exceedingly logical, in fact, not to mention morally consistent.