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Digital TV Coupon Program Under Way Again

An anonymous reader writes with this excerpt from CNet: "Federal regulators said Thursday they are going into 'search and rescue' mode to help the millions of consumers unprepared for the phased transition to digital television, which culminates with the June 12 transition deadline. The millions of consumers waiting for coupons for digital converter box coupons will finally receive them within the next two and a half weeks, thanks to emergency funding for the coupon program provided in the stimulus package, said Bernadette McGuire-Rivera, an administrator for the National Telecommunications and Information Administration. The NTIA is also ratcheting up its outreach to consumers most likely to be unprepared for the transition... FCC commissioners said their agency is also intensifying its outreach, but they acknowledged that while one third of television stations have already dropped their analog signals, the hardest part is yet to come." We previously discussed the DTV coupon program when it ran out of money in January. The $650 million from the stimulus packages adds to the $1.3 billion that's already been spent.

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  1. Cause it worked so well before by Bobnova · · Score: 2, Funny

    Spend more money to make more money, right?

  2. People who already bought a converter by Skapare · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So what happens with people that ended up paying full price for a converter because the coupons stopped flowing and 1/3 of the transition (which in many places was nearly a full transition) already happened? Can they just get $40 back with the coupon and their original paid-full-price receipt? Even if they got their full price converter at Circuit City?

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    1. Re:People who already bought a converter by pushing-robot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If they had no problem buying it with their own money, why should they get a handout?

      Then again, I'm a crazy liberal who thinks that the government should give to the poor, not the rich.

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    2. Re:People who already bought a converter by PachmanP · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If they had no problem buying it with their own money, why should they get a handout?

      Then again, I'm a crazy liberal who thinks that the government should give to the poor, not the rich.

      Well I'm a crazy [insert whatever] who wants to know why the hell we're giving handouts for TV for anybody! Nobody will die without American Idol.

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    3. Re:People who already bought a converter by Sporkinum · · Score: 5, Insightful
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    4. Re:People who already bought a converter by Skapare · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The issue isn't about whether someone can get the money to pay for it. The issue is that the government is making a lot of money selling the spectrum, and part of it was to compensate people for the costs imposed on them.

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    5. Re:People who already bought a converter by YenTheFirst · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But people will die without tornado information, among other things. Yes, radio is an option. When dealing with people, however, sometimes a graphical representation is just much more useful.

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    6. Re:People who already bought a converter by maxume · · Score: 2, Informative

      To reclaim the spectrum (the fcc auctioned off access to the reclaimed spectrum for more than the converter box program spent).

      Broadcast stations got much of that spectrum for a song, but it isn't particularly ridiculous that some of the funds were spent on mitigating the impact of the switch.

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    7. Re:People who already bought a converter by The+Grim+Reefer2 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The coupons expire after 90 days (I confirmed that on the dtv.gov page).. did you use expired coupons? and they worked?

      He said he got them in "Early Jan". Even if he got them on January 1 (Assuming that he didn't mean January of a year other than 2009)it hasn't been 90 days.

    8. Re:People who already bought a converter by m.ducharme · · Score: 2, Insightful

      but you didn't buy a tv for them, they bought their own tv's. You bought them (a tiny fraction of) a tv converter box.

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  3. Is it spent yet? by pavon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That $1.3 billion is the amount that has been allocated to be spent. Last I read, less than half of that had actually been spent and the rest was tied up in coupons that had been requested but had neither been used, nor expired yet.

  4. Tv went blank. by nurb432 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And nothing of value was lost.

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  5. Re:Doing the math by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Informative

    You're missing something with that logic. While most households do have cable/satellite, those can become useless in bad weather (lines breaking, dish swinging in the wind), not to mention random cable outages caused by careless people with backhoes, drivers running into poles, etc. Most sensible people, when asked "Do you want two coupons so that your two cable-equipped sets can continue to receive OTA TV if your cable goes out?" will say "Yes." without giving it a second thought. I'm surprised that the number of people requesting these is not closer to 100% of all TV households.

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  6. Re:Doing the math by Darkness404 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even though I have satellite, I am still very much affected by the DTV transition. For example, in my basement I have a traditional OTA TV that I rely on when there is stormy weather. Now, this wouldn't be a problem but A) I live in the midwest, where, in the spring and summer tornado warnings come out of nowhere and it is imperative I get watches/warnings along with radar so I can know if a tornado is about to strike. B) My satellite does not get great signal when it is storming outside.

    So yes, even though I do not technically "need" a DTV converter box, I am seriously considering buying one for the news coverage during severe weather.

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  7. Re:Doing the math by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Informative

    In a severe thunderstorm under a tornado watch? You bet your you-know-what I switch to OTA. A few extra seconds notice of approaching tornadoes can save your life.

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  8. I don't get it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Send taxpayer money to Chinese manufacturers of converter boxes; to accommodate the bandwidth auctions to major US telecom companies: who intend to soak customers to get their money back?

    Am I missing something???

  9. hurry it up, dude by cashman73 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So, let's just get the effing show on the effing road, dudes,... I bought my DTV converter, with coupons, over a year ago, and still get a crappy signal because 5% of the numb-nuts put it off until the last minute,... So all the DTV stations around here only broadcast signals at 25% power. So hurry the frak up so the rest of us get a decent DTV signal!

    1. Re:hurry it up, dude by The+Grim+Reefer2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Applied for my coupon the very first day they were available. Didn't get it until almost exactly a year ago.

      "Sorry, we have no converters in stock yet"

      Tried again. And again. And then again. Apparently, they'd arrive during the day, and be cleared out before I got off work every fucking time.

      "No, sorry, you can't reserve one, sir."

      Day before they expired in June 2008, I'm going place to place, trying to get one. Still none to be had.

      So now, I've been waiting nine months for them to let me reapply. And the numbnuts in Congress waited to the last minute before the conversion to go, "Oh, yeah, those of you screwed by slow processing and then a lack of availability, maybe you should get a second chance, because our asinine expiration date fucked you out of 'em."

      I keep seeing stories about this "shortage" and I think the problem is more with how the converters were distributed than a real shortage. The Circuit City where I live priced them at 70% off last weekend and they still had a mountain of them piled up on the floor. I would estimate there were 500+ stacked on the floor by the entrance, and still more on the shelves. I've been to several other cities in the US in the last couple of weeks and have seen them on store shelves also.

  10. Cable outage by Skapare · · Score: 3, Informative

    About 3 weeks ago, power was lost due to a storm. On the 2nd day of no power, I ran an extension cable from the TV to the my big UPS that still had energy remaining because I shut down the computers soon after the power went out (knowing it would be a while before it came back on). Nothing was coming through via Comcast. That could be because their lines were damaged in the storm, or their equipment was without power. I could get TV over the air from 2 stations, one in analog (which isn't anymore), and one in digital (because I could power my digital tuner from the UPS). People who have cable and no fallback means to receive TV in the event of a storm or accident that takes out the cable wiring or equipment is ... unprepared.

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  11. Yes by localroger · · Score: 5, Interesting
    At first I wasn't going to get a converter, because I am allergic to paying money for the privilege of watching commercials. But this is one of the reasons I relented.

    I have to say I am surprised at the result. Even 60 miles from the transmitters with a modest antenna that gave me a very snowy signal on analog, I have twice as many channels and they are razor sharp. There have been a few transient artifacts but not the hopeless pile of random polygons I feared because of my marginal signal strength. I was very afraid the damn thing wouldn't work at all out here and I'd be stuck for the difference between the true cost and the coupon.

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  12. Stimulus package by mattwarden · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, can someone explain what the DTV coupon program's funding has to do with stimulating the economy?

    1. Re:Stimulus package by mattwarden · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Keynesian theory suggests that private sector decisions can be non-optimal. I don't see how a move out of a government-controlled spectrum by a government-sponsored program fits into that.

      I see a lot of crap in this "stimulus package" that is just an excuse to spend money the government thinks needs to be spent for any variety of reasons.

  13. Unlike most govt spending it's NOT a handout by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well I'm a crazy [insert whatever] who wants to know why the hell we're giving handouts for TV for anybody! Nobody will die without American Idol.

    It's not a handout. It's a (partial) reimbursement from the government to the previous users of the bandwidth for seizing the bandwidth and selling it for billions, which went into the treasury.

    The analog television system worked just fine for what it did. A LOT of people bought equipment in the good faith expectation that it would continue to be usable for the equipment's life.

    Then the government decided that, if it forced the TV stations to switch over to digital, they could provide a replacement service that would be better than the existing system (which wastes lots of bandwidth to reduce analog interference), it could re-sieze a lot of that bandwidth and auction it off to other users.

      - The existing broadcasters get replacement bandwidth and can get more use out of it by multiplexing other services into it - which helps them pay for the new equipment.
      - More use gets made of the total bandwidth, thanks to the new services enabled in the auctioned spectrum. So the buyers and their customers are enabled.
      - But the old viewers are hosed. They have to upgrade perfectly good equipment or buy a converter to continue getting the level of service they already bought into. There are a LOT of them, and many of them don't have a lot of spare money to throw at the extra expense.

    So the government is spending PART of the money it got from the auction of the spectrum to pay PART of the cost of the converter boxes for the viewers.

    It's like paying (but less than market rate) for land seized by eminent domain.

    The origin of property rights is making use of and improvements on previously unowned property in the expectation that you can then continue to do so. By that definition, the broadcasters and the viewers had a property right in the spectrum previously used for analog broadcast TV from which they've been evicted by the government for its own profit. So it's reasonable for them to expect payment for their loss and trouble.

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  14. LIBERTARIANS: LISTEN CAREFULLY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    LIBERTARIANS:

    LISTEN CAREFULLY: The government made a NET GAIN on this transition.

    They sold the spectrum reclaimed from analogue broadcasts for much more than this coupon program costs. It's not donating taxpayer money for TVs, it's compensating people for re-selling THEIR assets (radio spectrum) to private companies, something the government should be doing more often IMHO. And before anyone jumps up and down about how "people should be allowed to broadcast on any channel they choose", realise that no radio communication would work if that were the case - everyone would broadcast over everyone else, no-one would receive the signal they want, and it would be anarchy. There needs to be some authorisation for maintaining radio signals, and as bad as they are, the government are the only ones capable and willing (private enterprises don't have authority over one another, and no market force compels them to maintain the spectrum in the interests of the people).

    Libertarians with mod points, moderate this post to oblivion if you want.