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Wolfram Promises Computing That Answers Questions

An anonymous reader writes "Computer scientist Stephen Wolfram feels that he has put together at least the initial version of a computer that actually answers factual questions, a la Star Trek's ship computers. His version will be found on their Web-based application, Wolfram Alpha. What does this mean? Well, instead of returning links to pages that may (or may not) contain the answer to your questions, Wolfram will respond with the actual answer. Just imagine typing in 'How many bones are in the human body?' and getting the answer." Right now, though the search entry field is in place, Alpha is not yet generally available -- only "to a few select individuals."

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  1. Lojban by Sybert42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't think this can be examined without language issues. Lojban attempts to make a parsable constructed language (currently undergoing a few grammar issues, but mostly locked down). As we get closer to the Singularity, with regards to infant-style general AI and perhaps even transhuman implants (thought detector or such), we'll see perhaps a myriad of unambiguous languages.

    1. Re:Lojban by dkf · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't think this can be examined without language issues. Lojban attempts to make a parsable constructed language (currently undergoing a few grammar issues, but mostly locked down). As we get closer to the Singularity, with regards to infant-style general AI and perhaps even transhuman implants (thought detector or such), we'll see perhaps a myriad of unambiguous languages.

      Any language that is truly unambiguous is uninteresting. Firstly, you've got Goedel incompleteness to worry about (which stems from statements that are fundamentally ambiguous as to their interpretation, such as "this statement is false"). Secondly, languages are there for people to communicate with, and people seem to prefer ambiguity. Ask a poet if you need proof of that.

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    2. Re:Lojban by HiThere · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Are you limited to yes/no answers?

      Why are people presuming that the program will be limited to yes/no answers?
      Q: Will you answer no to this question?
      A: It's rather unlikely.

      (Or, "I doubt it" or any of several different answers.)

      There are enough legitimate paradoxes that you don't need to construct such obvious losers.

      How about:
      Is "This statement is false." false?

      It's still easy enough to handle (in several different ways), but at least it's a valid challenge.

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    3. Re:Lojban by fractoid · · Score: 3, Interesting

      To my mind, any reasonable definition of understanding a subject includes the ability to reason based on information about the subject. In the case of a question, this would include the ability to say, at the very least, whether a given answer is a correct answer for the question.

      From this, we can see that if we can build a reasoning engine that can determine if a given answer is correct for a question, hypothetically we can iterate over a large set of answers and apply our filter to each one. This provides us with a machine to answer questions (although depending on the size of the set of answers, "I don't know" might be a frequent response) which (by my definition, at least) 'understands' the question.

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    4. Re:Lojban by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The "thinking" can be reduced to a computing machine made out of tinkertoys, or punch-card readers. It requires no understanding, no "learning", no insight - just rote mechanical responses to inputs. That's not "thinking" any more than instinct is - it's just hard-wired responses.

      The real question is "what is sufficient for thinking", and I believe the answer is pretty easy - free will. To those who argue against free will, then all thought is predetermined, and therefore mechanistic. But of course, they're free to think that, though they would argue otherwise :-)

      Or we can try this (modified from the supreme's definition of pornography) - "I may not be able to define thought, but I know it when I see it!" - which under the circumstances, is actually quite appropriate - it means that discerning whether actual "thinking" is taking place requires - wait for it - THOUGHT!

      Or do I throw in the now-obligatory bad car analogy? :-)

    5. Re:Lojban by jadavis · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Otherwise, it's just fancy regurgitation of facts using a complex language parser.

      It's more than regurgitation. It can make inferences from the set of facts available to generate new propositions. Some of these new propositions may not be obvious to a human looking at the same set of source facts.

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    6. Re:Lojban by SnowZero · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I have always hated Searle's Chinese room "paradox", since it is just playing a semantic game with the definition of the system. The claim that the person in the room doesn't understand things is no different from saying that a neuron doesn't understand things, or that 1/4 of my brain alone doesn't understand things. The "rules" in the box are part of the system, and I would claim that if it passes the test, the person+rules do demonstrate understanding. We have no evidence that human thought somehow transcends the model of executed rules anyway; at some level it is all chemistry and physics.

      A modern example would be that my CPU (::person in box) doesn't know how to behave as a web browser. While true, my computer does know how to be a web browser when you add the software (::rules), and an input and output system (::box interface). The Chinese room paradox is just yanking out the CPU and saying that it doesn't know how to be a web browser. Nice trick.

      The other thing the "paradox" does it to try to evoke imagery of a very simple ruleset because it is a person executing rules on paper, which would be very slow. The person executing paper rules is slow enough to have the computational power of a few neurons at best, while the brain has ~100 billion. So the equivalent rules in the paradox's imagined transformation would never fit in a room and could not be executed to completion by a person before their death. While it is supposed to be a thought experiment, the relative scale is so incredibly different that it makes imagining it difficult, and I wonder if it was chosen for that purpose. I will cut Searle some slack though, since Turing's guess about how much computing power needed to pass the Turing test was ridiculously low (~50 MB of storage), when compared to what we now know of human brain capabilities.

      I think the appeal of the paradox is that deep down many people want to believe that we are qualitatively different from computers, rather than quantitatively so. As for me, I'm happy enough knowing that atop my shoulders sits a computer with more raw processing power than the largest supercomputer, with rules/programming far beyond anything we can create now, or perhaps for hundreds of years.

  2. How many bones by icebike · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Q: How many bones are in the human body
    A: Did you mean cumulatively or at any point in time?

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    1. Re:How many bones by davester666 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Wasn't this done? answers.com, askjeeves.com (now ask.com)

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  3. Re:A.I. by philgross · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It goes further than that. Try Googling "how old is Britney Spears" and "what is the population of iceland" (without quotes). The answer appears at the top, separately from the search results.

  4. Re:A.I. by am+2k · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That seems to be hardcoded though, it already fails at "how old is Steve Jobs".

  5. I hope this is what I think it is by physicsphairy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Trying to find mathematics/physics information is often pretty terrible. I mean, if you are just looking for a topic you can generally pull up related papers, but that is about the depth of complexity you are capable of searching for.

    Unfortunately there is no convenient (or universal) plaintext notation. If you are doing anything serious you probably use latex markup (e.g., \Psi^{*}\Psi) or something similar to render images of your equations. That's well and good for people who just want to read your paper, but for people who want to do a complex search to find very specific bits of contextual information, it is just about useless.

    So if I can hope that Wolfram's goal is to make his company's math and science knowledge base searchable by some sort of contextual framework, then that could be pretty awesome for those of us who would like to penetrate particular aspects of independent fields without having to become experts on the fields first.

  6. Re:A.I. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It also fails on This - seriously...

  7. Re:Sweet! by poopdeville · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Isn't a proof of the Riemann Hypothesis necessarily non-constructive? If so, a computer can't answer your question.

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  8. True Knowledge by Sanity · · Score: 2, Interesting

    True Knowledge have been doing this for over a year. Anyone can add facts to their database, and it will attempt to use those facts to infer answers to questions. Its actually very cool, although doesn't yet support such notions as uncertainty.

  9. Re:Anyone remember AskJeeves? by dotancohen · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Try checking the number of horns on a bicorn and you'll see that the google engine is not intelligent, artificial or otherwise. Or would you like to argue that bicorns are not real, and therefore don't count?

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  10. Re:A.I. by dotancohen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It goes further than that. Try Googling "how old is Britney Spears" and "what is the population of iceland" (without quotes). The answer appears at the top, separately from the search results.

    Google them together, it returns your post!

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  11. Re:The ever-decreasing depth of human knowledge by Praxx · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When you make it so that your analytical people - the problem solvers and those who create new things - are made irrelevant by a technology, you as a society will stop evolving socially. No, it will not happen immediately. It will happen gradually, over the period of a generation. Consider the dearth between the research abilities of a previous generation, and those who are graduating college today. There is a substantial difference, and the ease in which information is acquirable today has had a lot to do with this shortcoming.

    While this may be true for some people, it's their own fault if they limit themselves in this way. The people that are really passionate about research will use this technology as a tool to enhance their research capabilities. Those that do not probably weren't motivated enough to be successful anyway.

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  12. Not quite correct by snowwrestler · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This whole question was answered decades ago (1970s) with the "foreigner in a sealed room" turing thought experiment. It showed that the person in the sealed room doesn't have to understand english, or even know the answer to questions, provided they are given some simple rules to link words together in a response depending on what words are in the original statement.

    That's not quite correct--the Chinese Room thought experiment does not depend on "simple rules"--it imagines a Turing-Test-passing program converted to book form, which is then run manually by an English speaker, responding to Chinese inputs. But there's nothing in it that implies that the Turing-Test-passing routine is simple.

    In fact there's nothing that says such a routine is even possible. The Chinese Room thought experiment has always struck me as begging the question. It starts by assuming that a routine exists that has passed the Turing Test, then shows that a machine running such a routine need not demonstrate actual thought. But it is entirely possible (IMO likely) that the Turing Test cannot be passed without actual thought, which would render the first assumption void.

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  13. Re:The ever-decreasing depth of human knowledge by xkcdFan1011011101111 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That's what everyone said when wikipedia came out.

    I'm a researcher, and I find that googling/wikipediaing my questions often helps me know if I'm looking in the right area. If I've conjured a sufficient amount of buzzwords about the topic, I'll get a good wikipedia page or mathworld.com page or something. I can then look at what THOSE pages reference and usually find links to some peer-reviewed sources.

    Also, I've noticed a lot of my coworkers (myself included) will often try to learn more about a problem we're working on and through wikipedia/google find similar problems in several other fields. A lot of the time the other fields that have a similar problem as mine are so different than my field that I wouldn't have noticed the problem existed elsewhere without stumbling across it on the internet.

  14. Re:Who is the greatest scientist? by Jeremi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There were many editors on the book, but unfortunately, they weren't actually allowed to do anything. I mean nothing.

    If an editor is denied write access to the book, is he still an editor?

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  15. Re:Nope. by Tom · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Good points, but this is still just a different (better perhaps?) implementation of the same concept. The big issue with the implementation is that it will only "know" what you tell it, the same as any other computer.

    Or human, for that matter.

    The big difference is inference. If I tell you the facts "John married Jane in 1981" and "Frank is Johns son, he's 15", you will probably conclude that Jane is very likely Franks mother, at least until you get conflicting information. Computers so far could not. AI research has been working on giving them that ability for almost 20 years now. After lots and lots of failures, they've also made some progress. The big issue hasn't been the collection of facts for years now, but how to combine those facts to generate new "knowledge". That's something we humans do with so much ease that it is too easy and gets us to generate false "knowledge" all the time - marketing are experts at exploiting that, as are novel writers.

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  16. Re:Just Words by giles+hogben · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I would bet big money this is just another iteration of the Knowledge Scam. Read this: http://personal.lse.ac.uk/angell/papers/knowledge%20management/km.htm