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Self-Encrypting Hard Drives and the New Security

In a recent blog post, CNet's Jon Oitsik has called for a policy shift with respect to data encryption. A new standard by the Trusted Computing Group promises the availability of self-encrypting hard drives soon, leading some to call for immediate adoption. Will this create even more security problems due to lazy custodians, or should someone responsible for keeping your information safe be required to move to the new hardware? Hopefully the new hardware comes with a warning to continue to use other data protection measures as well.

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  1. "Hopefully a warning..." by MaxwellEdison · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oh there's a warning, it's just been encrypted for its own protection.

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  2. Propriety Encryption by sheddd · · Score: 5, Funny

    Never has a backdoor!

    1. Re:Propriety Encryption by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You got a funny mod but it should be insightful. That was my first thought......

      Don't worry though, it's for your protection. Think of the children/terrorists!

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    2. Re:Propriety Encryption by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I wouldn't worry about back doors. Given the history of "secure" hardware devices, I'd be more worried about them turning the password trivially into a 64-bit key, using XOR with the key, and storing the key in unencrypted flash for verification....

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    3. Re:Propriety Encryption by hweimer · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, this is about a new specification created by the Trusted Computing Group, so it's fairly open stuff. However, I fail to see how this actually solves any of the problems related to recent data breaches. If you lose your notebook with all your data the attacker also gets access to the Trusted Platform Module and can decrypt the disk. If you want to securely transport your data, this is horribly inconvenient as the whole point is to be able to access the data on different machines (which this tries to prevent).

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    4. Re:Propriety Encryption by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Some people say no but I have seen this in action.

      We had secure laptops here with encryption and smartcard security. Bought all Dell 620's with built in smartcard slot.. all was peachy.

      We tested our security. 9 out of 10 laptops had the smartcard in them in the bag. AND their pin access number was on the laptop somewhere. os the encryption and any login security was overridden by user failure.

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  3. Decryption by MrEricSir · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hopefully they're also self-decrypting. Although it would certainly be more secure without this feature.

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  4. Multiple security layers by leromarinvit · · Score: 5, Informative

    An additional layer of encryption can't be bad. If it's a good implementation with no critical bugs and backdoors, great, you've just made it harder for someone to get your data. If it isn't, it's still no worse than storing plain text.

    Just don't rely on this as your only security measure.

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    1. Re:Multiple security layers by GMFTatsujin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Unless it does something unexpected, such as, say, making it a nightmare to recover files off the drive for legitimate reasons.

      I foresee a lot of IT departments pulling their collective hair out on this one: some Executive Director with a penchant for buying the Shiny New Thing stores mission critical data on a self-encrypting drive, some motherboard component on the computer blows up, and now the hard drive -- while fine -- is inaccessible.

      Yay.

    2. Re:Multiple security layers by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or worse, said Executive Director stores information on that drive that's relevant to a lawsuit. And when you have to tell the court that you've lost evidence because of this, you end up facing the possibility of losing some points in the case (or even the entire case) as sanction for spoliation of evidence. Even if the evidence would have exonerated your company. We won't even discuss the fun if it's tax- or SEC-related.

    3. Re:Multiple security layers by Lord+Ender · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No. Worthless security measures are bad for security because they provide a false sense of security. This influences behavior. So bad "encryption" really can be worse than plain text.

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  5. self encrypting, probably self-defeating too by petes_PoV · · Score: 4, Insightful
    And the very first thing the users will do is write down the encryption key, so they don't forget it.

    After all, what's the point of having all your data on a disk that you can't access? It's far more likely that the user(s) will forget the key, than for the drive to fail. However, the result will be the same in both cases: inaccessible data and if past experience is anything to go by, no backups (which would also have to be encrypted, again with the isssue over keys).

    Until the average PC user radically rethinks their attitude towards their computers - whether at work or play, this seems just one step too far.

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  6. hmm by n3tcat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    if encrypted hard drives become the norm, will authorities be more apt to treat it as a protected right rather than as a method of hiding shit?

  7. I want one with a removable key by davidwr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's hard to do with fixed drives, but I want USB drives and memory sticks that come with their own dongle-key that plugs into the storage device, so they key can be separated from the drive. Even better if it has its own keypad or fingerprint reader for authentication. "Something you have, plus something you know."

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    1. Re:I want one with a removable key by afidel · · Score: 4, Informative

      Biometrics are actually pretty bad from a security perspective, they are a fact which means once exposed they cannot be changed to avoid further compromise. If a biometric system were perfectly implemented this wouldn't matter, but none of them are so it's best to just use a smartcard for the something you have portion.

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  8. Hardware crypto leads to better security? BULL! by Chas · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Spoken (or typed in this case) like someone who's completely misunderstood the security process and thinks that [Insert Buzzword] = Security

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  9. Lock out vs lose data by uberdilligaff · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While the focus will be on preventing data from being accessed when the PC is stolen, this will come with the rather severe side effect that a significant number of users will irreversibly lock themselves out of all their data by losing/forgetting their pass phrase. Too bad you can't reduce the first problem without increasing the second.

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    1. Re:Lock out vs lose data by TubeSteak · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While the focus will be on preventing data from being accessed when the PC is stolen, this will come with the rather severe side effect that a significant number of users will irreversibly lock themselves out of all their data by losing/forgetting their pass phrase. Too bad you can't reduce the first problem without increasing the second.

      Are the contents of your wallet at least as valuable, to you, as the content of that encrypted hard drive?
      Good, then write down the passphrase and put it in your wallet.

      I bet most people take a lot more care with their wallet than they do with their work passwords.

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  10. Encryption != Security by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If it's a proprietary system where some insecure company or insecure government agency has the keys, why even bother? If anything, it's only providing you with a dangerously false sense of "security."

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  11. Really? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I want some of what this guy is smoking. He seems to be under the impression that, because the encryption is handled in hardware, there will be no software to deal with. And what, pray tell, will configure the hardware, and set crypto keys, and hold them in escrow in case of the inevitable forgetting, and change them if needed, and so on and so forth?

    Hardware encryption certainly has its advantages; but if you can't handle deploying software encryption now, I'm deeply skeptical of your ability to handle deploying hardware encryption.

  12. Trusted Computing Group reputation? by steve_bryan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I hope this proposal is considered with more than the usual amount of skeptical reserve. The name was changed more than once but I'm fairly certain that the "Trusted Computing" group was previously acting as a lackey of the entertainment cartel. They managed to introduce new points of possible breakage making computer based media more prone to failure (e.g. HDCP and the forced failure of expensive monitors purchased by early adopters).

    If this is the same group then you can almost guarantee that they will include backdoors and other nastiness intended to inhibit unapproved behavior by the owner of the drive.

    1. Re:Trusted Computing Group reputation? by afidel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, the trusted computer group grew out of an effort at Microsoft to allow secure network booting of clients. Without hardware encryption and bidirectional authentication it was a feature that customers asked for but which they would never have been able to accomplish. There has been talk of using such technology to implement better DRM, but so far it has come to naught even with Vista/Win7. In fact the TPM keystore is available for anyone to use via a fully documented interface and I believe there is a Linux module that allows you to use it. The biggest problem I have is that many TPM 1.2 implementations allow the key out of the keystore along an unencrypted bus which means there is a non-trivial but attainable attack vector against them. Personally I wish Dell wasn't the only vendor supporting TPM in server class systems because I would love to use bitlocker for remote office servers but I can't stand Dell's equipment or support.

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  13. 64-bit key? by Jon.Laslow · · Score: 3, Funny

    All of my sensitive data is double-ROT-13 encrypted!

    1. Re:64-bit key? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I use Quadruple-rot-13, far more effective IMHO.

      ROT-13 should be the new trigger for Godwin's law in Slashdot discussions.

  14. Three problems by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Three problems with the idea:

    1. Transferring media to new systems. I've already seen a case at work where an encrypted laptop drive was fully intact and working, but the laptop it was in was dead and had to be replaced. The drive was a complete loss, because it couldn't be used as the boot drive in the new laptop (different manufacturer) and there wasn't any software that could be used to supply the boot password to the drive when connected by any other method.
    2. Suspend/hibernate. We've found that a lot of the laptop models where I work don't correctly handle returning from a suspend and/or hibernate state. The most common case is that the laptop simply returns to normal operation from the suspend state without requiring re-entry of passwords. Most users simply put their laptop into suspend state rather than powering it down, which means anyone stealing the laptop can completely ignore the drive encryption. Standard Windows screen locking doesn't help much, once the laptop's unsuspended it's network interface is active and it can be remotely compromised and the screen lock disabled.
    3. Law enforcement. If the drive encryption is truely secure, LEOs will insist on having a back-door to let them decrypt a suspect's drive to search for evidence even if the suspect won't give them the passwords. If such a back-door exists, it'll quickly be broken and software produced to gain access to an encrypted drive through that channel rendering the encryption useless.

    #2 can be dealt with going forward in the hardware and OS. #1 can be dealt with going forward with standardized encryption and hardware protocols. #3... is intractable.

    1. Re:Three problems by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Then DM_CRYPT solves all three.

      1. There's a /boot partition which provides basic bootup services, like entering pass phrases. Any machine that can read standard HD's can read the dm_crypt system.

      2. Hibernate is inherently unsafe, unless the hibernation itself is encrypted. And once there, why not just fresh-boot? And about standby, require as a system policy to log out before standby. Then they must hack the standard system to get even a user account. Also, you did not specify memory holes like firewire. They're equally dangerous, if not moreso.

      3. Linux is open source, so we would see any attempted exploits in dm_crypt. There might be, but we'll find it eventually.

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  15. Bill of Rights by OldFish · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just as important as the technology will be the legal framework that applies. Myself, I like the Bill of Rights and I want to see data storage be treated as an extension of my memory with all rights that apply to my testimony extended to the digital media that is protected by a key that is in my memory. I know, naive idealism is dumb.

  16. Prove it's encrypted? by noidentity · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How can a security-conscious end-user verify that my data is encrypted on one of these drives, as opposed to simply being stored in the clear and the drive just refusing to read it? Sure seems it'd be cheaper if they just left out the crypto and had the drive lie, taking only a few hundred bytes of extra firmware and no extra processing power to implement the new "encryption" command set. Who's going to know?

  17. If it's self encrypting and self decrypting by Colin+Smith · · Score: 4, Funny

    How will you know if your data was encrypted?

     

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  18. Re:Looks like DRM/proprietary lock-in (itsatrap) by mrsteveman1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Self encrypting would be in the drive no?

    So to an operating system, once the drive has been unlocked by a firmware command it should appear as a cleartext ATA device.

  19. My experience with encrypted media by argent · · Score: 3, Informative

    My experience with hardware encrypted media makes me doubt anything good will come of this technology.

    We had a large number of encrypted thumb drives, at one point, and all of them died and needed to be reformatted in short order... they were simply more vulnerable to data loss when (for example) you pulled them "too soon". One vendor wouldn't even allow us to reformat them without sending them a signed letter from the CEO (on corporate letterhead) asking for the formatting utility, and then when we provided it we got no further response from them.

    We turfed all the "secure" thumb drives no matter what manufacturer and went back to application layer encryption.

  20. Flaws? So what. by manif3st · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Personally, I can't wait for these to become commonplace. I use whole disk encryption not because I don't want my partner/friends accessing my data (my computer's on all the time anyway in an unencrypted state any business documents and porn are tucked away using TrueCrypt), not because I'm scared of LEOs or G-men (they're welcome to my files), but because I don't want some prick burgling my house, plugging in my hard drive to their computer, and posting my photographs and poking around looking for passwords to sell. So bring on the back doors, I can remember my passwords, and anyone with the knowledge to hack the hard drive to get at the data is doing it for more than my photos and old university papers. I can change my passwords faster than they can sell them.

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  21. Key escrow by davidwr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If there were multiple keys, each one of which could unlock the drive this would be fine. The owner, i.e. the IT dept., gets the main key and the user and others get backup keys.

    One way to implement it:

    The drive will accept either its on-board key or a key from a dongle. The on-board key of course will be encrypted with a passphrase that can be changed without changing the underlying key. If EITHER the passphrase is entered OR another copy of the key with ITS passphrase is present, the drive is unlocked.

    Paranoid users could invalidate the on-board key, requiring the use of a dongle to unlock the drive.

    Another option:
    A 3-layer version, where a heavily-encrypted "super key" is on the drive, with multiple "supplemental keys" which may or may not be on the drive which decrypt the super key AND which define access, e.g. a "read only" key, a "read/write key," and an "administration key." Zero or more of these could be stored on the drive, encrypted with passphrases. Others could be stored on dongles, again, encrypted with passphrases. In this scenario, IT would control the administrator key and the person in possession of the laptop would control the read-write key and the read-only key. The read-only key would be turned over in response to subpoenas or customs officials where required by law. In draconian societies like America^H^H^H^H^H^H^H China, an additional, non-removable backdoor key would probably be held by the government.

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