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Lawyer Sues To Get a Patent On Marketing

I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property writes "Lawyer Scott Harris, one of the inventors of the concept of a 'marketing company devoted to selling/marketing products produced by other companies in return for a share of their profits,' is appealing the USPTO's rejection of US Patent Application No. 09/387,823 which was intended to patent that 'invention.' This court action is important because it directly challenges the In Re Bilski ruling, which tightened the rules to get rid of most so-called 'business method' patents. One of Mr. Harris's legal theories is that a 'company is a physical thing, and as such analogous to a machine.' If the name seems familiar, it's because Mr. Harris has a long history of inventive legal maneuverings. I'm honestly surprised that SCO never tried to hire or sue him."

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  1. The Future is Almost Here by dsginter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I can see a point where the United States becomes a lawsuit-based economy: instead of producing actual stuff, we'll all just patent stuff like email on a cell phone (who would have thought of that otherwise?).

    The lawyers will obviously need to eat and get haircuts, so the money will eventually trickle down into the hands of the middle class.

    I'm a genius - off to the patent office to patent this idea! I can't wait for my first royalty check.

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    1. Re:The Future is Almost Here by Skrynesaver · · Score: 3, Interesting
      You jest, but we currently have US lobbyists acting for US companies in the EU attempting to remove the concept of independent open standards from Europe's ICT policy framework, so that all attempts at interoperation will result in a payment to someone. Any notion of a commons is clearly anathema to some companies and cultures.

      Take a look at this article in the Linux Journal

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    2. Re:The Future is Almost Here by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm a genius - off to the patent office to patent this idea! I can't wait for my first royalty check.

      In related news, Boies, Schiller, LLP, have filed a lawsuit on behalf of The SCO Group against dsginter, who is the assignee listed on a recent patent application for a lawsuit-based business.

    3. Re:The Future is Almost Here by Tx · · Score: 4, Funny

      I defend the right to bare arms and resolve conflicts like this in duels.

      Easy there, I am also a fan of short sleeved shirts, but I'm not sure this is appropriate or traditional attire for a duel.

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    4. Re:The Future is Almost Here by DevConcepts · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The lawyers will obviously need to eat and get haircuts....

      Lawyers don't eat food, they consume the souls of their clients and their hair doesn't grow because their dead.

    5. Re:The Future is Almost Here by furby076 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I can see a point where the United States becomes a lawsuit-based economy: instead of producing actual stuff, we'll all just patent stuff like email on a cell phone (who would have thought of that otherwise?).

      The tv show Sliders was a flop, let's not rehash one of their episode starters.

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    6. Re:The Future is Almost Here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Never. Their too busy trying to make there mark here and they're.

      Sorry, just couldn't resist. Do you realise how difficult that was to type for someone with a traditional education (get it right or say hello to my friend Mr. Board Rubber)? I had to erect a fort first, just in case of flying educational supplies ;o)

  2. becomes? by wjh31 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    sorry, prior art, no dice

  3. Actually, lost on appeal and bilksi upheld by aaribaud · · Score: 5, Informative

    Misleading title and summary. The main point is not that the lawyer sued and challenges in Re Bilski, but that he lost on Appeal and that in Re Bilski was ruled dispositive...
    ... as Groklaw's link mentions right from their own title. Now, that Slashdot readers don't RTFA is usual, but submitters? Sheesh. :)

    1. Re:Actually, lost on appeal and bilksi upheld by Rogerborg · · Score: 4, Funny

      Now, that Slashdot readers don't RTFA is usual, but submitters? Sheesh. :)

      I'm telling you, the Take a Shot Every Time kdawson Posts Bullshit Drinking Game is the #1 contributor to cirrhosis of the liver.

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    2. Re:Actually, lost on appeal and bilksi upheld by Fred_A · · Score: 2, Funny

      This sucks. I was hoping we were finally going to get rid of marketing.

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  4. Another one bites the dust! by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    IOW, since the court upheld in Re Bilski, this is another nail in the coffin for business patents.

    What I'm waiting on is: What does this mean for software patents? I guess we're about to find out in the Microsoft v. TomTom case. I'm sure we all wait with bated breath.

    1. Re:Another one bites the dust! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm sure we all wait with bated breath.

      I'm waiting with baited breath; currently standing on the Redmond campus front lawn, wiggling a minnow between my teeth.

  5. does that mean by MrKaos · · Score: 2, Funny

    advertisers can't lie without paying a royalty? Maybe I should patent lying.

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    1. Re:does that mean by MrMr · · Score: 3, Funny

      You need to get more into the spirit of things:
      Just claim you patented lying and start extorting all the other liars.

    2. Re:does that mean by MrKaos · · Score: 4, Funny

      Just claim you patented lying and start extorting all the other liars.

      It's that kind of thinking that built this great land.

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  6. Wait... by Tokerat · · Score: 4, Funny

    Marketing company devoted to selling/marketing products produced by other companies in return for a share of their profits.

    ...Stores?!?

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    1. Re:Wait... by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He appears to be trying to patent the concept of a marketing company or more specifically a software marketing company .... I suspect these already exist and have done for some time ....

      Prior art is every software marketing company in existence ...forget if it can be patented due to it being a process, it has been around so long and is so obvious it cannot be patented

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    2. Re:Wait... by Theaetetus · · Score: 2, Informative

      He appears to be trying to patent the concept of a marketing company or more specifically a software marketing company .... I suspect these already exist and have done for some time ....

      Prior art is every software marketing company in existence ...forget if it can be patented due to it being a process, it has been around so long and is so obvious it cannot be patented

      Irrelevant. Section 101 rejections come before 102 or 103 considerations.

  7. not a machine by tverbeek · · Score: 5, Interesting

    His argument that a company is a physical thing analogous to a machine is flawed. In our legal system, a company is a "non-natural person", so what he's trying to do is to patent a person, and that's a definite no-no.

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  8. companies are like snowflakes by Speare · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If a company is a physical thing, an apparatus, then it is constructed in large part by the people who staff it. All people are unique, and any permutation of a group of people forms a unique subculture. The team either gels or it doesn't, in a unique pattern of ways. Real patents document how to reproduce the results, and anyone is free to try, once the sanctioned monopoly rights have expired. Therefore, a company does not need patent protection, as it will be impossible to reproduce the same mechanism.

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    1. Re:companies are like snowflakes by pmarini · · Score: 3, Funny

      you mean that a company never makes the same mistake twice ? :-)

      any reference to Microsoft in this post is purely coincidental...

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  9. Re:We should really be asking: by codegen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Does this man really have the time and money to waste on something pointless like this?

    He's a lawyer. You do the math.

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  10. Bullshit by MikeRT · · Score: 3, Insightful

    'company is a physical thing, and as such analogous to a machine.'

    "A machine is any device that uses energy to perform some activity. In common usage, the meaning is that of a device having parts that perform or assist in performing any type of work." Neither a technical nor a vernacular understanding of machinery supports his argument. Only in the twisted logic common to LawyerLandtm could this ever be considered a machine. Lawyers ought to be disbarred for this behavior, as only someone who has an incredibly dishonest character could torture a definition like this.

  11. Prior art? Record companies... by Mirar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Marketing company devoted to selling/marketing products produced by other companies in return for a share of their profits" sounds like what record companies have been doing for almost a century?

  12. Marketing stunt. by Samschnooks · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I have a hunch: I don't think he really wants the patent to use it. I think he wants to get this patent to prove that he's a god among patent attorneys and all those firm that want patents or to sue for patents will hire him and his firm.

    Then again, he may actually want the patent so he can hire other lawyers to sue on his behalf so that then, he can sit home, watch his DVD collection of Boston Legal, sip Scotch, and wish that he was hooked up with such hot women as Alan Shore has.

  13. Re:In almost every other case I would be against t by RobBebop · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One of Mr. Harris's legal theories is that a 'company is a physical thing, and as such analogous to a machine.'

    I thought the legal representation of a company was as a legal entity comparable to an individual for tax and other purposes. Then, his argument breaks down because he'd be implying that individuals are analogous to machines...

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  14. Patent Application by rocketPack · · Score: 2, Funny

    A Process for Obtaining Legal Ownership of Certain Intellectual Property

    ABSTRACT
    An application is submitted to a government run office which oversees the process of granting and protecting intellectual property rights. Applications contain explanations of methods, design, and applications for said creations, and are often accompanied by diagrams and figures representing the proposed creation for which the applicant ("the Owner") will seek to obtain exclusive rights to create or sell. Once such rights are granted, any facsimile or copy produced by anyone other than the Owner, without express permission of the Owner, will been deemed a forgery and they will be prosecuted pursuant to U.S. intellectual property laws. The following rules shall be applied to any application under consideration:

    1. Prior Art will never be acknowledged. It is irrelevant to the money-making scheme.
    2. The most obscure, ridiculous patents will be approved first.
    3. The process shall never be permitted to be explained, documented, made public, or revised.
    4. All complaints and obvious ill effects on society and technology shall be disregarded.
    5. No actual usable device must ever be produced so that rights may be granted for things one could never actually reasonably expect to produce in any quantity.
    6. Regardless of whether or not the Owner intends to use the granted rights for anything meaningful, or any purpose other than to hinder progress and make money off of the hard work of others, the application shall always be considered valid.

    BACKGROUND OF THE INVENTION
    None. I thought of it first and no one else had ever even conceived of such an invention. Take my word for it, no research necessary. Don't even bother Google'ing it.

    DESCRIPTION OF PRIOR ART
    Not that this is at all relevant, but see the previous section.

    SUMMARY OF THE INVENTION
    Uselessly over-abused process of rewarding those who deserve it the least and providing consistent unfair advantages to those who will hinder progress where progress is often needed the most.

    FOR OFFICE USE ONLY-
    Patent Application No. 7,512,440
    GRANTED 3/10/2009

  15. Summary Wrong, Title Wrong by notaspy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Typical. kdawson hasn't a clue about Intellectual Property issues, yet posts constantly and inaccurately about them.

    Firstly, the lawyer did not "sue" to get a patent. The application was (appropriately) rejected by the patent examiner. The applicant appealed the rejection to the PTO Board of Appeals and the rejection was upheld. The applicant then appealed that rejection to the Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit (CAFC), which applied Bilski to uphold the rejection again. Despite the fact that a court was involved, this was not a "lawsuit."

    Rather than appealling to the CAFC, the applicant could have filed a civil action against the Commissioner of Patents in the DC Circuit Court. This would be considered a lawsuit.

    The only story here should be that the Patent system worked.

    And please, please, STOP posting articles with headlines announcing that somebody "won" a patent. Patents are issued or allowed.

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  16. My patent by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 2, Funny

    I have been granted a patent on staying home from work and hitting the bong.

    To the office with all of you!