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Refactoring SQL Applications

stoolpigeon writes "My past as a DBA probably makes me a bit biased, but the reaction I've seen the most when a database application isn't performing as well as would be liked seems to focus on the database side of things. The search for a solution usually seems to center around tuning db parameters, the building (or removal) of indexes and, if the budget allows, throwing hardware at the problem. In their new work, Refactoring SQL Applications, Faroult and L'Hermite bring a much wider range of options to the table. There is a lot in this little book for the developer charged with fixing an existing application and I think a lot of good information that could save one from making a number of headache-inducing mistakes on a new application." Keep reading for the rest of JR's review. Refactoring SQL Applications author Stephane Faroult with Pascal L'Hermite pages 293 publisher O'Reilly Media, Inc. rating 9/10 reviewer JR Peck ISBN 978-0-596-51497-6 summary Good for a developer charged with fixing an existing application. The book is divided into eight chapters; the first two deal with how to approach a problematic application in general. In the preface the authors say, "This book tries to take a realistic and honest view of the improvement of applications with a strong SQL component, and to define a rational framework for tactical maneuvers." I found this to be true throughout the entire book and was impressed by how well the examples, suggestions and problems echoed my real-life experience. This book is first and foremost practical. There is really almost nothing in the book that does not come immediately to bear upon the problem at hand. I've seen others do a lot less with many more pages.

The examples and benchmarks are compared across three different popular relational database management systems. They are MySQL, Oracle RDBMS and Microsoft SQL Server. I thought that this brought up a couple interesting issues that are not directly addressed in the book. First is that the authors are talking about how to improve performance, not comparing platforms, but the numbers are there and may be of some interest to people who would like to compare them. Secondly, I've met a number of people over the years who get quite animated about insisting that a good DBA does not need to know any certain solution, but rather just the fundamentals. I think Faroult and L'Hermite put this idea to rest, though unintentionally. In order to discuss how to best understand what exactly is happening and how best remedy issues, they show that it is necessary to have an understanding of platform specific issues and tools. This is true on two levels. The first is that the location of use of the built in tools for each platform are different. The second is that what works for one platform does not necessarily work for another.

For example, Chapter Two "Sanity Checks" contains a section on parsing and bind variables. The authors compare performance when queries are hard coded, with new prepared statements on each iteration (firm coded) and with one prepared statement and changing the parameter value on each iteration in a loop (soft coded). On Oracle and SQL Server the performance was poorest with hard coded, better with firm coded and best with soft coded. MySQL did best with soft coded as well but actually took a performance hit moving from hard coded to firm coded. This had to do with differences in how MySQL server caches statements. The authors took the time to rewrite their code from java to C in order to ensure that the issue was not related to language or driver issues. This is not to say that one can ignore RDBMS and SQL fundamentals, but rather that to get top performance requires knowledge of platform specific issues. This also comes out again when dealing with optimizers.

With that in mind, the authors recommend that readers have a solid understanding of SQL and some programming language. Most examples are SQL and code is given in Java and PHP. There are also examples that illustrate SQL extensions showing procedures, functions, etc. written for all three RDBMS products covered. The authors stick primarily to standard SQL but do make note and at times show examples of how things will look in each of the other databases. This information is current and reflects the most recent versions of the each product.

The fourth chapter, "Testing Framework" is incredibly useful. The authors cover generating test data and then checking correctness of outcomes through comparison. This is really useful information for anyone working to improve an application, or writing one for the first time. I think it also a large part of why this book could really appeal to new and experienced developers as well as the developer working on existing or brand new applications. I think there is a good chance that only the most extremely experienced developer would find nothing new here, or at least some new way to approach a problem. New developers can learn quite a bit and avoid some bad habits and assumptions without having to gain that information the hard way. And then the tools for generating random data, large amounts of data and comparing results will provide excellent opportunities for learning and real world application.

The next three chapters cover dealing with specific types of issues and how to improve performance. The last chapter then quickly describes a scenario of just how the authors step into real world situations and start to attack a problem. This is followed with two appendices. The first is scripts and samples, the second tools that are available to help in finding issues and resolving them. Some of the authors tools use SQLite, which is discussed briefly in the chapter on creating test data as some of the tools depend upon it.

I think that it has been a while since I've read a book that could have such a rapid return on investment. There are many suggestions and insights that should enable anyone to squeeze better performance out of just about any database application. While the focus is on the application side, there is plenty that requires understanding and work on the database side as well. There is discussion of the parameters and hardware I mentioned at the start of this review. But rather than the only options, they are one part in a much larger and systematic approach.

The authors relate that often refactoring for this type of application comes into play when something that used to work does not work any more. This can often lead to an environment of high pressure and emotion. The desire for a rapid resolution can lead to casting about in the dark for a quick fix or a feeling that cost is no longer as significant since a fix must be had now. The authors argue, and I agree, that this is exactly when a rational, disciplined process of tracking down and fixing issues is the most valuable. I agree. The issue is of course that someone in a position to do something must have the ability to take that approach. This book will get one well on the way to being in that place. Of course it can't take a brand new developer or DBA an expert. Much like a degree it can give them some fundamental tools that will allow them to take full advantage of experience as it comes rather than just crashing and burning.

If I could I'd have any developer on a database centric application read this, and DBAs as well. There is a lot here for both sides to learn about just how much they depend upon and impact one another. This may be an idealistic dream, especially for larger shops where often the relationship between those two groups is adversarial, but I think that such an approach could only make life much better for everyone involved. For anyone looking to enter this world on either side of the DBA or developer equation, this may make a nice addition to their education. For that individual wearing both hats this could be a life saver. In this small book they will learn many things to look out for as well as gain exposure to some of the similarities and differences in what are arguably the top three relational database management systems right now.

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  1. Should have included PostgreSQL and DB2 by bogaboga · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This study would have carried more weight if it had included PostgreSQL and IBM's DB2. These two databases do more serious work than MySQL although many believe MySQL is more widely deployed.

    1. Re:Should have included PostgreSQL and DB2 by MBGMorden · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I have to agree. Maybe I'm unfairly biased and it's just past performance (both relayed by others and experienced by myself), but I don't trust MySQL for anything more complex than a backend for a simple website. If I want a reliable open source database for a serious project, I'd go for PostgreSQL in a heartbeat.

      I actually was looking at KnowledgeTree recently as a possible solution for a document management system for our organization (we have a clunky old system and some others here are pushing SharePoint as a replacment . . .), but it's use of MySQL pretty much stopped that dead in it's tracks. I know they'd prefer MS SQL Server as an option here. I could *probably* talk with them if it supported PgSQL. But MySQL isn't even an option to discuss for something this important.

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    2. Re:Should have included PostgreSQL and DB2 by Quintilian · · Score: 2, Funny

      Exactly, MySQL is nothing but a toy database.

      You're right! I wanted to catalog all my LEGO sets and G.I.Joes and it was just useful enough.

    3. Re:Should have included PostgreSQL and DB2 by bogaboga · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly, MySQL is nothing but a toy database.

      This is the problem with most slashdotters. Most of them put up unsupported comments. What I would like you to do is to support your claims by pointing us to websites that have made the "mistake" of first running MySQL and later discovering the "light" in adopting PostgreSQL or otherwise.

      Alternatively, you could websites that use MySQL; which websites can be branded as "toy websites" by extension.

    4. Re:Should have included PostgreSQL and DB2 by not+already+in+use · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Puh-leez. You don't come to slashdot for objective discussion. You come here to mingle with folks who enforce your inherently held "truths." You come here to post the same Microsoft jokes that haven't been funny for 10 years and get modded +1, Funny. You come here to ridicule the less technically inclined in an attempt to inflate your hollow ego. You come here to partake in a circle-jerk of technical non-conformance. You come here for many things, none of which involve objective, reasonable discussion.

      As an aside, some of the toy websites that use mySQL include Flickr, Facebook, Wikipedia, Google, Nokia and YouTube.

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    5. Re:Should have included PostgreSQL and DB2 by vlm · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You forgot the other often repeated/never researched traditional slashdot claims seen in every mysql comment section, such as mysql doesn't do transactions and doesn't do replication, both of which are necessary for each and every database install ever done past present or future... (Of course it has those features for about half a decade, maybe more, certainly since around the 4.0 range, but that never slows down the folks that repeat those claims)

      Then there are the re-occurring claims that mysql is useless because it doesn't have some bizarre feature that you might personally think is useful, therefore any database without it is useless for everyone doing anything, like perhaps direct file importation of COBOL ISAM punch cards, or an internal database representation for complex four dimensional vectors. You know, the stuff everyone uses.

      Then there are the posts explaining how a failing hard drive on an old gateway 2000 vaporized the filesystem and/or bad ram caused endless kernel lockups, and the mysql software was running on that bad hardware, and correlation always implies causation, so mysql must be bad too.

      Finally I expect several posts about how they found an obscure bug in the beta 3.23 version back around eight years therefore they'll never use it again because that is the only software that has ever had a bug.

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    6. Re:Should have included PostgreSQL and DB2 by einhverfr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well... I have been using Postgresql since back WHEN MySQL didn't do transactions.... I still don't trust MySQL's transactions or the new strict mode. At the same time, I have watched PostgreSQL do an absolutely terrific job of running horrendously written queries optimally. Here are two criticisms I have about using MySQL for real application work, especially when you are distributing that application (and thus have little control over how users set up their db's):

      1) MySQL transactions are built into the table engines, and by default (last I checked, and meaning you don't install innodb, etc), the tables will not be transactional. This means that if you are building an inhouse app, you can trust it more than you can if you are distributing your software. In short, if you are distributing software you can't guarantee that it is running on a system with transactions without a great deal of headache........ The same goes for referential integrity enforcement.

      2) Strict mode can be turned off by any application. This means that the more recent data integrity checks cannot be relied upon. This is an issue on both inhouse and distributed software because it adds quite a bit of overhead to the QA process internally, and can add support headaches in software for distribution.

      MySQL is a good db for single-app databases, where data integrity is not a tremendous issue or where you are deploying a separate MySQL instance on a different port. It is quite a bit worse than PostgreSQL for anything else.

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    7. Re:Should have included PostgreSQL and DB2 by MBGMorden · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm not holding anything against it that regard. The simple fact is that I've had two fairly low traffic MySQL databases become corrupted beyond the point of being usable within the last 3 years. The hardware wasn't at fault here (nor was it old or outdated). Now luckily, this was for something that while important, wasn't "OMG somebody's head's gonna roll!" critical (namely, it was the quarantine database for amavisd-new on a mail filter, and then later an internal message/call tracking system that we'd wrote).

      For stuff like that, where you can stand to lose the data, or at worst, roll to a backup, then MySQL has it's uses. However, our document management system for example contains tons of documents that we must legally keep archived and available (Government institution - we have to have it available for FOIA requests). We also have for instance land appraisal software keeping databases of property taxing information that we need to bill at the end of the year (with about $50 million annually riding on that - if we don't get those bills out our whole budget shuts down). I just don't trust that type of thing to MySQL. Not to mention that the "nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft" mentality does kick in. If the database fails and I have to restore from backup, then if it's MS SQL Server or Oracle then your bosses will usually not fault me(as long as I have good backups in place, which I do). If something that critical fails and I used MySQL on the project, I very well might be looking for a new job.

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    8. Re:Should have included PostgreSQL and DB2 by Splab · · Score: 4, Informative

      GP is right, MySQL is a toy database, advanced toy but still a toy database.

      The absolutely most important thing for a database is data integrity, the ability to trust in your system - when it says "Yeah I saved that for you", it should take catastrophic events to lose it again.

      MySQL treats data in a best effort way, if what you asked it to do doesn't fly with current config, it reverts to something that looks right enough and go with that.

      Consider a database setup, admin installs MySQL with default creates some tables, runs it for a while, decides he needs more log space (transaction), he adjusts the settings and restart MySQL. It starts, everything is peachy. Transactions are running, being committed, he adds more tables, and then suddenly shit hits the fan, he does a rollback, MySQL says ok, but lo and behold, the data is still there...

      So what went wrong? When he changed the transaction log size MySQL during start up realized an inconsistency between the actual log file size and the wanted, MySQL can't expand this file on the fly so InnoDB is disabled, MySQL now reverts to MyISAM (I am not kidding, this is what MySQL will do). Any subsequent calls to begin and commit transaction will be accepted with an OK. Any tables created afterward will be accepted, even with explicit engine syntax MySQL will just issue query ok, 1 warning.

      Now the warning will tell you that the InnoDB engine wasn't available, so MySQL chose MyISAM instead - however, most aren't aware of this behavior, especially since most programming languages does not support this.

      A database should at no point _ever!_ say "OK" to a request for something that can't be handled. If I say begin transaction and something isn't right I want my database to shout on top of its binary lungs that something is wrong and my data isn't safe.

    9. Re:Should have included PostgreSQL and DB2 by einhverfr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It isn't quite that simple, but I suppose one of my earlier (and later abandoned) projects qualifies.

      I set up HERMES (a CRM suite written in PHP4) originally on MySQL and eventually discovered that the lack of transactions, etc. were a serious problem (this was back in 1999). I tried to move it over to PostgreSQL and discovered that PostgreSQL was really hard to administer (this was back in 1999). I ended up doing all my prototyping on MySQL, then converting the schemas to PostgreSQL using mysql2pgsql.pl because this was the only way I could get the data protections I needed (back in 1999).

      Now, both MySQL and PostgreSQL have come a long way in the nearly-a-decade since then. MySQL has added transactions (for some table types not installed by default), foreign keys (for some table types not installed by default), strict mode (which can be circumvented on the app level), and a the planner has gotten much better. On the other hand, nearly every one of my issues with PostgreSQL has been resolved too. 8.3 has some really impressive new features from a developer perspective, and 8.4 will have even more. I haven't had to do prototyping on MySQL since PostgreSQL 7.3 came out.

      I still stand by the statement that "compared to PostgreSQL, MySQL is a toy," and I would expect the gap between them to continue to widen. However what was limited to light content management db's in 1999 (MySQL), has become better able to handle a wider range of single-app dbs. MySQL is still no reasonable choice for an enterprise-wide database management solution especially where critical data is involved, but there are an increasing number of special cases where it is an option, in particular when compared to Firebird's embedded version, SQLite, and stuff like Sybase's SQL Anywhere. Comparing MySQL to MS SQL though only comes out favorably for MySQL where MS SQL is quite a bit more than is needed. PostgreSQL OTOH can in most cases compare favorably to Oracle, DB2, and MS SQL.

      So the other half of the statement needs to be "but there are some cool things you can do with a toy db...."

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    10. Re:Should have included PostgreSQL and DB2 by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What I would like you to do is to support your claims by pointing us to websites that have made the "mistake" of first running MySQL and later discovering the "light" in adopting PostgreSQL or otherwise.

      It's a toy database because when things aren't set up properly, they don't fail. Instead, they succeed silently and corrupt data (see using the wrong file format for your tablespace). Also, the developers are a treat - "we don't need transactions, do integrity checks in the app", followed by "we now have transactions, aren't we cool". Do they have triggers yet? Meanwhile, I have postgres, which works just fine.

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    11. Re:Should have included PostgreSQL and DB2 by Leolo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I write applications that use MySQL that get installed on servers at the cient's premises. I'm also the one doing with the installation and MySQL config.

      Reponding to your points :

      1. If the client were to insist on handling the MySQL part, and screwed it up, it would cease to be my problem. Or rather, I would point at the instalation and tell them were they fucked up;
      2. About turning off strict-mode. If your applications are turning off strict-mode, then don't be supprised if you break data integrity. If your clients are writing apps that turn off strict-mode and mess up data integrity, that isn't really your problem, is it?

      Or how about we put it another way: it will always be possible for someone to mess up the data. These are human issue, not a software issue. Deal with them that way.

    12. Re:Should have included PostgreSQL and DB2 by einhverfr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If the client were to insist on handling the MySQL part, and screwed it up, it would cease to be my problem. Or rather, I would point at the instalation and tell them were they fucked up;

      Ok, so your point is that this is fine as long as you install MySQL, make sure that Innodb, etc. is installed, etc. Fine. I don't want that responsibility.

      About turning off strict-mode. If your applications are turning off strict-mode, then don't be supprised if you break data integrity. If your clients are writing apps that turn off strict-mode and mess up data integrity, that isn't really your problem, is it?

      On the other hand, it isn't a support headache I want, since I might be hired to come in and fix it. I would rather be spending my paid development time elsewhere.

      However, on that latter point, for inhouse apps where several apps share a db, you have a bigger issue, and that is that you really need to have someone auditing every app to ensure it DOESN'T turn off strict mode. Why bother with that issue? Why not use a db which ALWAYS performs these sorts of checks and where they can't be turned off?

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    13. Re:Should have included PostgreSQL and DB2 by julesh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      1) MySQL transactions are built into the table engines, and by default (last I checked, and meaning you don't install innodb, etc), the tables will not be transactional. This means that if you are building an inhouse app, you can trust it more than you can if you are distributing your software. In short, if you are distributing software you can't guarantee that it is running on a system with transactions without a great deal of headache........ The same goes for referential integrity enforcement.

      It's easy enough to set up a database creation script that ensures the tables have the necessary support. Sure, if you're working on tables that somebody else has created you can have issues, but in your experience how often does that happen? And if it does happen, how often do you have a choice as to what dbms is in use? In my 10+ years as a consultant I've only ever had to do that once, and never with mysql (because the client's existing system I had to integrate with used informix).

      2) Strict mode can be turned off by any application. This means that the more recent data integrity checks cannot be relied upon. This is an issue on both inhouse and distributed software because it adds quite a bit of overhead to the QA process internally, and can add support headaches in software for distribution.

      On the whole, this is probably a good thing. If the application is under your control, you can use whichever mode you want. If you're relying on somebody else's application, forcing it to use strict mode when it wasn't written for this environment could introduce subtle bugs. Now, if you were to argue that the _existence_ of these different modes of operation was an issue, then I'd probably agree. But given the existence of the modes (and that's unfortunately a necessity for backwards compatibility reasons) the ability of the application to change the mode to the one it expects is crucial.

      MySQL is a good db for single-app databases, where data integrity is not a tremendous issue or where you are deploying a separate MySQL instance on a different port.

      Of course, you are describing something like 90%+ of all database applications there. Yes, this book should cover MySQL: it's a very popular database that is perfectly adequate for most uses. Sure, there are applications where it shouldn't be used, but that hasn't stopped it from becoming extremely widely deployed and being used as the database of choice by web developers everywhere (which is probably the target market for this book).

    14. Re:Should have included PostgreSQL and DB2 by julesh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm not holding anything against it that regard. The simple fact is that I've had two fairly low traffic MySQL databases become corrupted beyond the point of being usable within the last 3 years. The hardware wasn't at fault here (nor was it old or outdated).

      I'm not sure what you're doing wrong here, but I think many of us have been running a lot more MySQL databases than that and never experienced corruption. Myself, I have been maintaining on average about 20 MySQL instances spread across 3 different servers for the last 10 years, and have never[1] experienced corruption that wasn't tied to a hardware failure. Sometimes after a system crash I need to do a myisamchk --recover, but even that's rare. I've never needed to do myisamchk --sort-recover, although I understand there are circumstances where this is necessary.

      So my experience has been that mysql is, essentially, rock solid. It could be that we're using it for different applications and it works for mine but not yours, but I've also never seen any reports of problems with mysql corruption that cannot be fixed automatically by the tools mysql provides.

      [1]: OK, this isn't quite true. There was one instance of corruption that was tied to a linux kernel version that had a bug where dirty buffers were sometimes corrupted prior to being flushed to disk. Hard to pin that one on MySQL either, though.

    15. Re:Should have included PostgreSQL and DB2 by einhverfr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      On the whole, this is probably a good thing. If the application is under your control, you can use whichever mode you want. If you're relying on somebody else's application, forcing it to use strict mode when it wasn't written for this environment could introduce subtle bugs. Now, if you were to argue that the _existence_ of these different modes of operation was an issue, then I'd probably agree. But given the existence of the modes (and that's unfortunately a necessity for backwards compatibility reasons) the ability of the application to change the mode to the one it expects is crucial.

      It is a good thing in some, limited circumstances (where data integrity is not critical). Where data integrity is critical, this feature means you need to have careful policies of auditing ALL applications that hit the db to make sure they never, under any circumstance, turn off strict mode. This really requires a code audit.

      You say I am describing 90% of all database applications. Fair enough, if you are looking at this from the application, rather than the information, perspective. For a single-app db it isn't bad and it scales reasonably well for simple queries. However, where it breaks down is for real enterprise information management. Say what you will, the criteria I mentioned don't apply to that environment.

      One of the things we have worked hard to do for the LSMB project is to ensure other applications can safely access the database with appropriate data integrity constraints. Given that we came from the SQL-Ledger codebase, that has been a real headache, and will probably take us another year to make a reality. However, it is a powerful feature if your customer can write add-ins to the db app in a different language without having to worry as much about data integrity issues even where it is an accounting app.

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  2. Problem is not the SQL writers..... by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But with management.

    when I spent a few years as a DBA it was common to be told to not work on that project any more as soon as it produced usable data. That means as soon as you have a working prototype you are required to drop it and start the next project. Many times after you get a working prototype you then go back and refine it so that it's faster and uses less resources.

    Management is the blame. Unrealistic deadlines for DBA's and if you are honest with them and give a report that you have data they think it's good to go. I actually got wrote up once for taking one of the old procedures we had and rewriting it so that it worked much faster and the resource hog it was was reduced to the point that others could use the DB while it ran. I was told I was wasting time.

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    1. Re:Problem is not the SQL writers..... by Samalie · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Agreed COMPLETELY.

      I work as a DBA as well, and the moment the prototype produces reliable data, its immediately off to the next project. Only time I ever get to go back and tweak code is if some random variable that was not thought of was missed in the original design, or a bug, forces me back into the code.

      I've got some code out there that I know beyond a shadow of a doubt is horribly inefficient...but I'm not given the time and opprotunity to correct that.

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    2. Re:Problem is not the SQL writers..... by CodeBuster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This experience speaks to a more general issue that I have with non-technical MBA types who tend to reduce everything to a dollars and cents issue without fully appreciating or even being able to fully appreciate either the technical OR the financial consequences of their decisions. They assume that their MBA piece-of-paper mail-order diploma makes them oh-so-much smarter than anyone else who doesn't have one, when in fact the smartest people tend to study mathematics, physics, engineering, other hard science, or even philosophy while the intellectual light-weights study social science and get their MBA. If anyone is actually a waste of time and resources then it is the middle management social climbers who produce a lot of hot air using the latest "management techniques" that they read about in a trade magazine on an airline flight or heard about at a conference held in a cheap hotel ballroom.

  3. compare SQL to Code by trybywrench · · Score: 2

    I'd like to see some work done on the balancing act of how much to do in code and how much to do in SQL. My coworker can put SQL statements together that if printed on an 8.5x11 would fill the whole sheet if not run over. Me, on the other hand, I tend to break up huge sql statements into a set of smaller ones and then use code to do some of the work that could possible have been done in SQL. I don't have the time to find out what works best on my own but I do have the time to read about it.

    btw, how come tech books don't come on tape/cd?

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    1. Re:compare SQL to Code by Saint+Stephen · · Score: 4, Informative

      On a REAL database, like Oracle, the query optimizer will factor common expressions, eliminate unused branches, and in general execute your SQL in completely different manner than what you write.

      Doing things in a "relational calculus" way, where you specify what to be done (i.e., with SQL) is superior to doing things in a "relational algebra" way (individual statements correlated by procedure code).

      I've written some queries that were a dozen pages long for a individual statement, mostly because I use a python-like style where the indentation specifies the structure and thus you can string together monstrous subexpressions and not get confused. The DBA was like "you're not running that on MY box," but it ran super fast because of the query optimizer.

      That's what I mean when I say MySql is a Toy, compared to DB/2, Oracle, or SQL Server. The query optimizer.

    2. Re:compare SQL to Code by stoolpigeon · · Score: 3, Informative

      Chapter 5 - "Statement Refactoring" includes, according to the author, "...how to analyze SQL statements so as to turn the optimizer into your friend, not your foe." It's solid and probably points people towards writing things that work just as you describe.

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    3. Re:compare SQL to Code by he-sk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's possibly a VERY bad idea. Even with small queries it's possible to create huge intermediate result tables and loading all that data into your application will make it crash. And if that doesn't happen, breaking a complex SQL statement into separate parts robs the SQL query optimizer of useful information. Your code limits the choices for an optimum evaluation plan, but how close is your code to the optimum plan that can be achieved?

      Having said that, the optimizers can't work magic. I sometimes split up SQL statements to force a certain strategy, when the result of the optimized plan is garbage.

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  4. Performance Tuning is Not Refactoring by puppetman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have the misfortune of working with a database that is primarily a couple of tables with key-value pairs (not a traditional database model).

    There is only one column that can be indexed, and it has to be done with a full text index.

    Every once in a while, there is a discussion about moving this mess to something more traditional. I was excited to read the review on this book, but as I read through the review, it seemed like this was more of a "performance tuning guide".

    Re-factoring a database is a lot more involved - changing tables, stored procedures, maybe even the underlying database.

    The term Database Application is fuzzy and poorly defined. Is it the front end? The stored procedures? The database tables? I would consider a database application to be any part of the code that stores, retrieves, removes or modifies data stored in a database, and the entities that have been defined to store that data.

    Using that definition, this book is about tuning, not refactoring.

    1. Re:Performance Tuning is Not Refactoring by stoolpigeon · · Score: 2, Informative

      Let me explain what I meant by "doesn't work any more". For example a query that originally took 30 seconds now take 3 hours. It still 'works' from a functional perspective but from a business perspective may have become completely useless. Refactoring can make it work again. I should have been more clear on what I meant there.

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    2. Re:Performance Tuning is Not Refactoring by David+Gerard · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, you can hardly trust Wikipedia, given it runs on MySQL.

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  5. Server performance is important, but... by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've found that the biggest issues with SQL applications (writing rich clients) is not in performance turning of server/sql but in dealing with ORM issues, where to draw the line between how much work the client does vs. how much the server does, reconciling changes made in memory with data in tables, concurrency, database architecture designed to cope in advance with poorly thought-out requirements you're given, etc. I'd hope that book on refactoring SQL *applications* would touch on these issues.

  6. Shoot the developers by kafros · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I am a developer, and my experience has shown that if you use one of: Oracle, SQLServer,
    PostgreSQL, DB2 and application performance is poor, 99% of the time it is poor design from our
    (developer's) side.

    Developers without good understanding of Relational Databases and SQL often produce problems that
    cannot be solved by indexes, or throwing transistors at them.

    It is so nice to see a "custom" made map implemented in the database using temporary tables instead of
    using the language's built-in map functionality :-)
    sorting arrays using the database gets extra points (no kidding, I have seen this!)

    1. Re:Shoot the developers by Bright+Apollo · · Score: 2, Informative

      I would cautiously agree with the developers being less educated on SQL than they should be. The trouble seems to be in the different mind-sets required to solve the application problems. SQL is a declarative language, and it operates on your set of data as described. The host language, for what of a better term, is C or Java or some other iterative language, and it operates on each individual member of the set, stepwise. If you primarily think "stepwise" or algorithmically, you're already framing your problems as challenges to be met with an iterative approach. Learning to recognize which parts of the application require declarative, functional, or procedural solutions is where good developers becomes great.

      I disagree with any statement that pits developers against DBAs. I have found a few DBAs that have more ability than myself in SQL, but not many and not recently. I don't rely on them to work with my data, and then don't rely on me to manage four hundred schemas across two dozen machines. A good separation of duties always helps.

      -BA

    2. Re:Shoot the developers by kafros · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So you have code in two places? Application layer (lets say JAVA) and DB layer (triggers)?

      How do you debug, log, source control, deploy?

      I found triggers to be a pain in the ass on the problems above
      (Unless you just have one big customer and nothing else)

    3. Re:Shoot the developers by einhverfr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You throw transistors at your developers? ;-)

      Actually I agree with you. One of the big wins on the LedgerSMB project was the approach of moving the all main queries into user defined functions (and then using them as named queries). One of the nice things about this approach is that dba-types (like myself) can address performance when it crops up rather than dealing with the ABOLUTELY horrendous approaches found in the SQL-Ledger codebase..... (Assembling queries as little bits of text strings, throwing them all together, and doing REALLY braindead things like simulating HAVING clauses in the middleware...)

      For example, we had an issue where one large user (thousands of invoices per week) was having issues paying them without spending 8 hours waiting for the page to load. We were able to get this down to something like 10 minutes across 5 pages. No added hardware, just reviewing why the old code sucked, moving in new code, and then optimizing it when its performance sucked.

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  7. Use views by bytesex · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think it's usually best to have views (whether with rows that are the result of code, or with a pure 'select' definition, or materialized ones) define what your application 'sees', so that you can always change the underlying datastructure. That way refactoring becomes a bit more easy.

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    1. Re:Use views by he-sk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have to agree. In DB theory we have learned that you should normalize your data for a good database design. However, materialized views can give HUGE performance gains, by eliminating multistep joins between tables. You can't built customs indexes for queries that have these joins when the index condition is not in adjacent tables and you always have to deal with large intermediate results.

      If the app is read-only and performance is critical the best strategy is to used materialized views built from normalized source tables. If the database doesn't have materialized views (PostgreSQL) you can simulate with CREATE TABLE foo AS SELECT * FROM bar WHERE ...

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    2. Re:Use views by bjourne · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's silly. When you change the data model you must change the views too. Then you could as well have changed how the application uses the database instead and avoid a whole layer of indirection. Plus, views are read-only so the client application still needs direct access to the tables to update data. Views are useful and very under appreciated, but not in the way you suggest.

  8. Much better ways to do complex sql by avandesande · · Score: 2, Informative

    I have developed a design pattern using in memory data table objects that can satisfy the most complex requirements without using any dynamic code.
    It also allows the queries and business logic to be broken into discreet chunks that are easily optimized and debugged.

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  9. Oh if only... by RulerOf · · Score: 4, Funny

    Only on Slashdot do you find someone who wants to listen to Natalie Portman talk SQL.

    SELECT * FROM Memes WHERE Reference LIKE '%Portman%' AND LIKE '%naked%' AND LIKE '%petrified%' ORDER BY SlashdotCommentScore, HotGrits;

    27,154,947 Rows Returned.

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  10. Confusing volume with data integrity by mcrbids · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The typical argument goes something like: 'MySQL suxorz - nobody uses it for serios work' followed by: 'Yeah? well explain that to =HIGH VOLUME SITE=!'

    Such responses show a misunderstanding of what serious work is being discussed.

    MySQL does a fabulous job with simple, high-volume transactions, exactly the type seen by Yahoogle/Flicker/Blogsites. They need to sore simple data (EG text) and be able to retrieve it quickly, and for these uses, MySQL is probably a better bet than Postgres or DB2.

    But 'serios work' means thing like strong, ACID compliant transactions, row-level locking, strong integrity of field types, and a query scheduler that holds its own when you combine inner, outer, nested, subqueries mashing together a dozen or more tables with millions/billions of records/combinations.

    Postgres will do this, MySQL won't. MySQL isn't bad because of this, it's just a tool not well suited to this specific job. I use MySQL for website CMS, I use Postgres for financial applications.

    Does your dishwasher suck because it does a piss-poor job cleaning your socks? Use the right tool for the job.

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    1. Re:Confusing volume with data integrity by mcrbids · · Score: 2, Insightful

      PS: Your company is pissing away tens of thousands of dollars on Oracle, when you could use PostgreSQL for free!

      And no, I haven't read your requirements, but I'd be intrigued to find out what needs Oracle answers that PostgreSQL can't!

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    2. Re:Confusing volume with data integrity by Alpha830RulZ · · Score: 3, Funny

      And no, I haven't read your requirements, but I'd be intrigued to find out what needs Oracle answers that PostgreSQL can't!

      See, I have this budget that I need to use up, or I lose the budget, and then my pay grade goes down, and I don't get to keep my secretary and this office with the nice window...

      Or, I have this Oracle DBA, and I can't convince him to learn any other platform, because he sez it's bad for his career, and he's my brother in law...

      Other than that, I like PostgreSQL real well, too. MS SQL Server is a pretty good low cost solution for a lot of smaller uses, too, if your company insists on spending money.

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    3. Re:Confusing volume with data integrity by berend+botje · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, if parent is using fuzzy full-text searches he's well better off with Oracle.

      Even non-fuzzy full-text searches on Postgresql are a pain. Yes, they do work great, but the syntax is an abomination.

      I loathe Oracle as much as the next guy, but even MySQL does a better job at fuzzy string matching! Really.

  11. also, please reread this: by einhverfr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    MySQL is a good db for single-app databases, where data integrity is not a tremendous issue or where you are deploying a separate MySQL instance on a different port. It is quite a bit worse than PostgreSQL for anything else.

    From your description you are using MySQL for a single-app database where you run a dedicated instance of MySQL for your app. That is not the usage case I was describing, which is a central RDBMS serving out the same data to a myriad of different applications. If you are trying to go beyond ONE app for your data, you should look to PostgreSQL instead of MySQL.

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  12. I Only Know Oracle by bloobamator · · Score: 5, Informative

    I only know Oracle but I've known it since version 5.0. Intimately. I haven't read the book but I read the review. Here are a few tips I've learned over the decades that you might find useful, just in case they aren't covered in the book:

    1) You have to establish a general rule of thumb for each production db whereby any one sql that consumes more than x% of the db resources needs to be tuned. The value of x varies from db to db. If it cannot be tuned below x% then it needs to be refactored.
    2) Learn to use stored outlines. If you can get them to work they will save your ass and make you look like a total hero.
    3) Never turn your back on the optimizer. Really. Even for simple queries, even with the deepest stats.
    4) Bind variables are a necessity for high-repetition sql. Bind variables are something you might want to avoid for reports queries for which the optimal plans depend on the user input values. This is because a sql's plan is cached along with it the first time it is parsed, and if you use bind variables then the first plan you get is the plan you will always get so long as the sql remains in the shared pool.
    (You can sometimes work around this issue by turning off bind variable peeking, but consider doing it on a per-session basis instead of changing it system-wide. Scary!)
    5) Nowadays a 32GB SGA is no big thing. Get yourselves a ton o' RAM and set up a keep pool in the buffer cache to pin your most important reporting indexes and tables. Partition your big reporting tables and maintain a sliding window of the most recent partition(s) in the keep pool.
    6) No sorting to-disk. Ever. If you cannot let the session have the PGA it needs to sort the query in memory then the SQL needs to be "refactored".
    7) Once you have eliminated most of the physical disk reads it then becomes all about the buffer gets (BG's). When disk reads are low the high-logical-BG queries immediately become the new top SQL. This is because logical BG's are all CPU and your db is now cpu-bound, which is right where you want it. So from this point it's back to item #1 and we prune and tune (thanks KG!)

    I could go on all day. Perhaps I should write a book?

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