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Using Lasers and Water Guns To Clean Space Debris

WSJdpatton writes "The collision between two satellites last month has renewed interest in some ideas for cleaning up the cloud of debris circling the earth. Some of the plans being considered: Using aging rockets loaded with water to dislodge the debris from orbit so it will burn up in the atmosphere; junk-zapping lasers; and garbage-collecting rockets."

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  1. Water is heavy by kcbanner · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wouldn't it be extremely expensive to send large quantities of water into orbit (also, our water supply is limited we can't be throwing it into space!)?

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    1. Re:Water is heavy by Spazztastic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wouldn't it be extremely expensive to send large quantities of water into orbit (also, our water supply is limited we can't be throwing it into space!)?

      But it rains! The water will come right back down eventually!

      Don't question me. My logic is flawless.

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    2. Re:Water is heavy by KlomDark · · Score: 4, Funny

      Damn! Shut up already! The average moron will totally believe your rain concept.

    3. Re:Water is heavy by Spazztastic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Damn! Shut up already! The average moron will totally believe your rain concept.

      Apparently they do, I just was modded insightful.

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    4. Re:Water is heavy by u38cg · · Score: 5, Funny

      More to the point, whoever proposed this idea seems to be completely unaware of the workings of orbital mechanics. Clue: the stuff is already falling. The problem is it keeps missing.

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    5. Re:Water is heavy by JumboMessiah · · Score: 5, Interesting

      True, most only really think of oil as being the next big thing to cause mass hysteria, but few realize that potable water is a dwindling resource in certain regions. Even the giant Ogallala aquifer in the central United States is showing increased rate of depletion (not to mention pollution).

      There are a few books on the subject.

    6. Re:Water is heavy by snowraver1 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I wasn't aware that water was flammable. I'll notify the fire department that they need to rethink their strategy.

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    7. Re:Water is heavy by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wouldn't it be extremely expensive to send large quantities of water into orbit...?

      The water is actually for the sharks. Space-junk shot by lasers, lasers go onto sharks, sharks go into water, water goes into space. Keep up, this isn't rocket science...

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  2. Re:Obrigatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    > Sharks can fly to space?

    That's what the water is for.

  3. Water???? by Muad'Dave · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not only would lofting water into space be a colossal waste of energy and water, it would only exacerbate the problem!

    IMHO the only 'clean' way to deorbit debris is to add energy to the debris in the retrograde direction without using additional mass, which means photons. Laser pulses could do it either by radiation pressure directly (huge laser), or by pulses that ablate the debris slightly (creates tiny beads of additional debris).

    Electron/proton beams would work as well, as would alpha particles, but they'd pose a risk to humans in space. In fact, using charged particles might induce a charge on the debris that would then help direct the debris toward it's doom (debris vector, Earth's magnetic field, right hand rule....whatever).

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  4. PlanetES by psergiu · · Score: 4, Interesting
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  5. Re:Huh? by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 4, Informative

    Since space is a "near" vacuum wouldn't the water flash to steam instantly and be useless?

    The enthalpy of vaporization for water is very large. On exposure to vacuum, immediately the water will begin to boil. This will very rapidly cool the water so that most of it ends up freezing (the enthalpy of fusion is comparatively much lower). Not only does this make mathematical sense, but it's witnessed daily on vacuum lines in labs.

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  6. Re:Frickin' lasers? by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Which puts us one step closer to landsharks.

    *knockknock* "Plumber!"

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  7. I trained for this in college by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Funny

    We spent hundreds of hours in front of the Astroids simulator, practicing breaking rocks up into smaller rocks!

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  8. Re:Something doesn't seem to add up by Kjella · · Score: 4, Informative

    Your imagined point of equilibrium is the point where there's nothing but space garbage, and if you shoot up more there'll be more garbage even though some of it falls back. I'm sure you remember Newton's law of conservation of momentum, now apply it to two oribiting satellites on almost similar trajectories crashing into each other, breaking into many pieces. Basicly, they'd become a spray of junk, some going up, some down, some faster, some slower. They'll spread out as if you fired a shotgun, catching up to some satellites while slowing down covering a greater and greater area to collide with others which will again behave the same way. It doesn't matter if 90 of 100 bits fall to earth if they take out >1,1 satellite each on average. It'll just escalate exponentially like a nuke going off, leaving a fine layer of bullets all over the stable orbit.

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  9. Re:Something doesn't seem to add up by Rival · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is a good point. But as collisions become more and more frequent, I don't think they be able to maintain momentum. The energy from each collision is spread out among all the fragments produced, and also some is lost during the impact as heat and the energy required to separate the fragments from the larger original pieces.

    Let's say that "first-generation" objects are on a stable orbit with sufficient momentum to maintain orbit. After impact, some of the resultant second-generation fragments will fail orbit quickly due to grossly incorrect trajectories, while others enter trajectories that will take longer to fail. Over the time it takes for these second-generation fragments to fail, they cause more impacts. More of these third-generation fragments are lost more quickly, and the remaining ones proceed to cause fourth-generation impacts, and so on. This is the general chain-reaction idea being posited.

    One factor to consider is the fact that as these particles reach higher "generations", they are in more and more grossly failing trajectories due to either bad vectors or insufficient momentum. These trajectories intersect less and less with stable orbits, so the collisions are more and more likely to be with already-failing particles. This could only accelerate the orbit failure. Essentially, these particles should clean themselves up.

    Again, I am no astrophysicist, but it seems that if chance supported easily-achieved orbits, then we would already be at saturation. The fact that we're not suggests that the "random collisions creating a permanent* cloud of debris" theory may not be self-supporting.

    Of course, it may be that the time it takes for this debris field to fail is on a scale which is inconvenient to us. But to say that we'll eventually end up with a stable cloud of microscopic bits just doesn't add up.

  10. Saturn by lindseyp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Saturns rings would like a word with you. ;)

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