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Libel Suits OK Even If Libel Is Truthful

Defeat Globalism writes to tell us that many journalists, bloggers, and media law specialists are concerned about a new ruling by a US Court of Appeals in Boston. The new ruling is allowing a former Staples employee to sue the company for libel after an email was sent out informing other employees that he had been fired for violations of company procedures regarding expense reimbursements. "Staples has asked the full appeals court to reconsider the ruling, and 51 news organizations have filed a friend-of-the-court brief saying that the decision, if allowed to stand, 'will create a precedent that hinders the media's ability to rely on truthful publication to avoid defamation liability.' But Wendy Sibbison, the Greenfield appellate lawyer for the fired Staples employee, Alan S. Noonan, said the ruling applies only to lawsuits by private figures against private defendants, that is, defendants not involved in the news business, over purely private matters."

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  1. Meh by Anenome · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hardly news, since this'll certainly be struck down \ overturned in future rulings. Trying to protect employees can go too far and become ridiculous.

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    1. Re:Meh by The+Grim+Reefer2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hardly news, since this'll certainly be struck down \ overturned in future rulings.

      We can only hope.

    2. Re:Meh by interkin3tic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hardly news, since this'll certainly be struck down \ overturned in future rulings.

      Most punditry is wrong, according to at least one scientific paper, most scientific papers are wrong, most current event news items will become irrelevant and or not current within a day. You're saying this isn't news because it will be overruled eventually? That to me doesn't make it not news, that makes it more like the other news stories.

    3. Re:Meh by FiniteElementalist · · Score: 5, Informative

      Looking at the article, it looks like it is even less news because the ruling is based entirely on an obscure Massachusetts state law, which would only apply to those in Massachusetts even if it was not overturned. And that law has the requirement of demonstrating "actual malice", which probably will fall flat rather quick.

      This might be a bad ruling, but it seems like it is rather limited in scope and likely to be overturned regardless.

    4. Re:Meh by ari_j · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is completely, totally, 100% non-news. It's not even a bad ruling. Here is the case timeline in a nutshell:

      1. Employee files lawsuit alleging libel based on a statement made about him
      2. Trial court dismisses the case without considering the truth of any of the employee's allegations, because even if they are all true, there is no cause of action for libel when the alleged defaming statement was true
      3. Court of Appeals reverses the dismissal based on a Massachusetts law that gives you a cause of action for libel even if the statement was true, if it was made with actual malice
      4. Next step: The trial court must consider whether the employee alleged actual malice and, if not, may either dismiss the case or allow the employee to amend his complaint to include the actual malice allegation. After that, the case can proceed and the court can decide, based on evidence, whether there was actual malice.

      The key point is that the trial court here has not considered any evidence yet. It made a purely legal ruling under Massachusetts law, and it was wrong because it failed to take into account the actual malice law. The media uproar is just panic, and there is no need and likely no reason for this decision to be overturned.

      The second key point is that the employee has not won the case just because of this ruling. He has a long way to go ahead of him.

    5. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      What did any of that mean?

    6. Re:Meh by mabhatter654 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think it will stick.

      Terms of a person's firing are almost always non-public. A company as large as Staples can't publish to ALL it's employees that they fired Bob over $5.00 misappropriated on an expense report. That's malicious. It's appropriate to say we will (and have) terminated over expense reports being wrong without giving the offenders name.

      I can't think of any company I've worked at that's attached names to memos like that. Even companies that actually call the cops on somebody don't typically inform the employees of the person's name, or particular details of the infraction beyond the company "rule book" for just this reason.

    7. Re:Meh by interkin3tic · · Score: 3, Informative

      The dumbed down version: all news is temporary, so even if it will be overruled, this is news.

    8. Re:Meh by joe_bruin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is yet another story by our friend "Anti-Globalism" (or "Defeat Globalism" in this case). Note the website the name links to (amerika.org). If you follow it, you'll reach a network of nationalist, anti-foreigner, and eventually racist (neo-Nazi / white power / religious hate), anti-democratic sites. The idea is to start you off with something that will get your nerd-rage going. "How dare those judges redefine libel". Then you'll go to a site that builds on that, but broadens the idea. "It's the Massachusetts liberal activist judges trying to take away our Libertarian freedom". Then it's a few more hops to full on "The Blacks, Jews, Mexicans, white-man hating Liberals are trying to take away our freedoms and give them to urban unwed teenage drug moms on welfare".

      You can safely ignore this story.

    9. Re:Meh by joe_bruin · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wait, so not only do you read the summary and the article, but you even click on the author's website link?!

      I know, I'm a bad Slashdotter. Actually someone pointed this poster out to me a while ago, and I verified his claims and have since been more aware of his activities.

      You're right that we should not ignore stories from authors we don't agree with. But we should also be wary of sources that are trying to push an agenda through their presentation of a story. Everyone has bias, but it seems that the stronger the bias, the more distorted the truth becomes to fit the author's world view. There is some threshold in which the presenter can no longer be counted on as a source of reliable information, even in seemingly benign cases.

    10. Re:Meh by shaitand · · Score: 2, Interesting

      exactly. Not only that, but at least in this instance it is just. Employers should be liable to suit if they trash former employees to their other staff or to future employers. Even on a pre-employment call the previous employer should not be saying anything other than whether employment happened, dates, and salary.

      In fact, that has been the policy at every major company I've worked with. A company trashing an employee after the fact can literally destroy someone's life. The same is not likely true the other way around.

      At one of my previous employers I was promoted twice and given 3 raises on top of that within two years. The month I was laid off I received a performance related bonus. This was a small business and the bosses wife was a ditz. After several extremely positive interviews I discovered a loud silence afterward and couldn't figured out what was going on.

      Had my wife call posing as a prospective employer, the first thing she said, is "No he does not work here." My wife pressed to ask if I ever worked there and she said, "Oh yeah, he used to work here." Again, my wife pressed, and asked if they were happy with my work. She said, "Yeah, he was okay." Once more my wife pressed, "Oh, he was just okay?" "He was fine, we never had any trouble with him." Wifey, "Well what happened, did he quit?" "He just had a disagreement with the boss." Wifey, "Ahh, I see, did he have disagreements with the boss often?" "No, they just disagreed about one thing and he quit."

      Of course, a real prospective employer would never have pulled those teeth. They probably wouldn't have gotten past "He doesn't work here" and just assumed I gave a false reference. If they had, they would have though my performance was poor simply because the woman at the desk was too dense to be tactful and give a good reference.

    11. Re:Meh by Beezlebub33 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Bullshit. First, it affects everybody. It means that the truth is not an absolute defense against libel. The lawyers for the guy say that it only applies in case X, but, no, when it is not a defense, it is not a defense. You have no reason to think that in case Y this will not be used as a precedent.

      Second, the guy is a thief, he stole from the company. When a guy is a thief, you are allowed to call him a thief. They didn't publish it in the NY Times or anything. If an employee steals from a company, the company should be allowed to say to the other employees that he stole. They (and the other employees) have a vested interest in employees not stealing from them.

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    12. Re:Meh by shaitand · · Score: 2, Insightful

      'Second, the guy is a thief, he stole from the company. When a guy is a thief, you are allowed to call him a thief.'

      Allegedly. We have seen absolutely no evidence whatsoever that this guy even messed up on the reports they claim let alone fudged them deliberately to steal.

      Why do you think he did? Because of the libel slung by the company in this case.

      It isn't okay to call this guy a thief until he is convicted for theft in a court of law, especially in the highly pubblic manne that was used here.

  2. Why would they do that? by qoncept · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't see how telling people a guy did something wrong when he did could possibly be illegal, but why would they even do that? It's no one else's business. Sure, the word would probably get out anyway, but the company has nothing to gain by disseminating this kind of information.

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    1. Re:Why would they do that? by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe it's nobody's business, but the fact is that if it isn't a lie, and the company didn't sign an NDA, then it shouldn't be permissible to claim you were libeled.

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    2. Re:Why would they do that? by DrLang21 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's hard to say. There may have been a lot of inter-office controversy and rumors surrounding the employee's termination and the company felt that for the sake of preventing drama, they needed to set the story straight. Or it may have just been a rash unethical decision by an HR rep. But either way, I don't see why it would be considered libel. I hope that Staples appeals the case.

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    3. Re:Why would they do that? by eleuthero · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The company has a lot to gain from this. If I were to steal something and then was caught. It would be reasonable for my company to trumpet this to all other employees along the lines of "make an example of him"

      The reasoning does go deeper than just "let's gig 'em" but can include the idea that you want your employees to feel safe--"we catch criminals and can now trust those who remain"

      I do not know the reasoning behind Staples' decision to broadcast the reason why, but it is more likely the first than the second. I would hope it is both. People are imperfect and we need reminders from time to time to stay on track (hopefully not often at the level of the Staple's employee but sometimes even this is appropriate).

      The main reason I approve of Staples' action is with regard to references. If my friend leaves the company telling me he just got sick of the management when in fact he was stealing and then asks me for a reference at Company X where I have a friend, I need to know that he was really fired for theft or I risk losing my friend's good will.

    4. Re:Why would they do that? by rolfwind · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's no one else's business. Sure, the word would probably get out anyway, but the company has nothing to gain by disseminating this kind of information.

      Perhaps he was a good performing salesmen but was taking too much from the company trough, and this was their warning to others?

      You are making as if this was a private matter, like something someone does at home or a student's grades at school (also debateable), I just don't see it that way.

    5. Re:Why would they do that? by ChrisGilliard · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ...the company has nothing to gain by disseminating this kind of information.

      I would imagine it would be a deterrent to other employees regarding "violations of company procedures regarding expenses reimbursements". So that might be the reason for disseminating the info.

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    6. Re:Why would they do that? by lgw · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you wronged me (and I have proof, such as a judgement), then it's totally appropriate for me to tell others about this. Call it humiliation if you like, that doesn't make it wrong. You don't get a free pass to a good reputation! Don't want to be known as a thief? Here's a hint: don't steal!

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    7. Re:Why would they do that? by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Understandable, but to play devil's advocate again:

      Any HR department would have to mention the employee by name as part of the motions of taking internal action, but the e-mail was sent to 1500 employees!

      I'm betting on the defendant using the "maybe not totally wrong, but very excessive and unprofessional" defense.

    8. Re:Why would they do that? by Yvanhoe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      hint to the hint : don't steal from people with a legal department. It is still okay to steal from poor and defenseless people.

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  3. Can someone define 'libel'? by Sowelu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My non-legal, everyday-speech understanding of the term 'libel' is that it means 'a lie that harms someone's reputation'. Can someone with more legal sense give a more accurate definition?

    1. Re:Can someone define 'libel'? by Chyeld · · Score: 4, Informative

      Noonan filed a complaint that said Staples had defamed him and violated several employment agreements. US District Court Judge Morris E. Lasker dismissed the claim, writing that "truth is an absolute defense to a defamation action under Massachusetts law."

      Noonan appealed to a three-member panel for the First Circuit, which initially upheld the ruling by Lasker. But last month it reversed itself on the libel claim, saying Noonan could pursue that part of his lawsuit because of a relatively obscure 1902 state law.

      The law says truth is a defense against libel unless the plaintiff can show "actual malice" by the person publishing the statement.

      In ordinary discussions of First Amendment law, "actual malice" refers to the standard established in the landmark 1964 US Supreme Court decision in New York Times Co. v. Sullivan.

      In that context, it means a plaintiff who is a public figure can win a libel suit only after proving that a journalist knew a published statement was false or acted in reckless disregard for the truth.

      But in the Massachusetts law cited by the appeals court, "actual malice" means "malevolent intent or ill will," said the panel. Noonan might be able to persuade a jury that the company demonstrated ill will; Baitler had never referred to a fired employee by name in a mass e-mail before, and jurors might conclude he "singled out Noonan in order to humiliate him," the court wrote.

      Sibbison - who says her client, Noonan, was a "sloppy record keeper" but not a thief - said the ruling lets him sue a company that "violated its own policies on employee privacy" through the mass e-mail.

      Rather than wait for a lawyer, you can just read the relevant part of the article.

    2. Re:Can someone define 'libel'? by spacefiddle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oho, what's this?

      But in the Massachusetts law cited by the appeals court, "actual malice" means "malevolent intent or ill will," said the panel. Noonan might be able to persuade a jury that the company demonstrated ill will; Baitler had never referred to a fired employee by name in a mass e-mail before, and jurors might conclude he "singled out Noonan in order to humiliate him," the court wrote.

      Emphasis above is mine.

      Motion to tag this story with "badsummary," your honor. IANAL but maybe NYCL will stop by this thread for a visit... there are some very, very important lessons here.

      First and foremost, this situation arose because no one followed a procedure. Noonan, for whatever reason, did not do his expense reports right. He could be incompetent; he could be a thief; or he simply could have made honest mistakes and/or not realized how seriously those reports were being taken.

      Baitler did something he'd never done before: he named someone in a termination notice. That's a /facepalm +2, +5 vs. your liability. Have a written goddamn procedure for anything related to security or liability, have people sign it, and never frickin deviate from it. If you want the right to name someone, make it part of company policy. Having NO policy covering this at all is no defense, either.

      In fact, from the badsummary impression of ONOES, U GET SOOD 4 TELIN TRU, what we actually have here is "Employee fired, then singled out in a way no employee ever has been before." Now, I don't see this being a Staples problem - responsibility here seems to rest in the lap of this Baitler person who made the extremely poor decision to do something new in an area of high risk. In PA, this is an at-will state: you still can't fire someone for an illegal reason, but you can fire them for no reason at all. That is what they should have done, if they felt the expense report thing was not resolvable by working with Noonan (either because they were sick of it, or someone had a personal grudge, or because he was actually in fact stealing - all irrelevant).

      What Staples can best do here now is define clear from-the-top policy about how terminations are handled. If it were me, i'd have a word or three with Baitler and look to settle with Noonan, but i imagine they'll see if Noonan's claim is allowed to be amended first before approaching him.

  4. Hmmmm... by CannonballHead · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So, can I sue various politically-driven groups for libel, even if what they say about the group I'm in is true?

    1. Re:Hmmmm... by CannonballHead · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ignore previous comment, and remind me to read the article. :)

  5. The First Amendment Didn't Come Up by XLawyer · · Score: 4, Informative

    It is incorrect to say that truth is an absolute defense to a claim of libel. Apparently, Massachusetts law allows a suit to go ahead based on defamatory statements that are based on "actual malice."

    Possibly Massachusetts law is incompatible with the US Constitution in this regard. I am inclined to believe it is. But Staples never brought it up--if they had, the panel would have mentioned it in at least one their opinions, and the court didn't.

    In other words, the First Amendment question simply didn't come up. The sole question was what Massachusetts law was, not whether that law was consistent with the Constitution.

  6. Re:What does the first amendment actually say? by internerdj · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can't find it in the second amendment either. This is going to be harder than I thought...

  7. Truthful libel? by spellraiser · · Score: 5, Insightful

    By its very definition, libel is always untruthful.

    In law, defamation (also called calumny, libel, slander, and vilification) is the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government or nation a negative image. Slander refers to a malicious, false and defamatory spoken statement or report, while libel refers to any other form of communication such as written words or images.

    Semantics aside, here is the actual explanation for the ruling:

    Noonan appealed to a three-member panel for the First Circuit, which initially upheld the ruling by Lasker. But last month it reversed itself on the libel claim, saying Noonan could pursue that part of his lawsuit because of a relatively obscure 1902 [Massachusetts] law.

    The law says truth is a defense against libel unless the plaintiff can show "actual malice" by the person publishing the statement.

    In ordinary discussions of First Amendment law, "actual malice" refers to the standard established in the landmark 1964 US Supreme Court decision in New York Times Co. v. Sullivan.

    In that context, it means a plaintiff who is a public figure can win a libel suit only after proving that a journalist knew a published statement was false or acted in reckless disregard for the truth.

    But in the Massachusetts law cited by the appeals court, "actual malice" means "malevolent intent or ill will," said the panel. Noonan might be able to persuade a jury that the company demonstrated ill will; Baitler had never referred to a fired employee by name in a mass e-mail before, and jurors might conclude he "singled out Noonan in order to humiliate him," the court wrote.

    So we're talking about:

    1) A state law.

    2) A ruling that simply allows the guy to sue; it's not a final verdict by any means.

    3) A very specific instance, that will eventually be settled in court anyway, as per 2).

    So, I don't think this is anything for journalists to get overly anxious over, in truth.

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  8. Re:What does the first amendment actually say? by Hatta · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Unfortunately, the Bill of Rights doesn't apply in civil cases.

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  9. Re:Got to Love America by Reality+Master+201 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, you're right. The fact that the economy is in the shitter is clearly the only important thing in the world, and all activity not specifically directed at correcting it should be stopped immediately. We'll begin with shutting the police and fire services, then dismissing all court cases in all courts in the US, and finally we'll halt all work on any construction or repair projects.

    While we're at it, we should also do something about all the precious energy and attention we're currently exerting in our continued efforts to clothe and feed ourselves, as well as that silent thief of time, breathing.

    Jackass.

  10. Bloggers beware by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But Wendy Sibbison, the Greenfield appellate lawyer for the fired Staples employee, Alan S. Noonan, said the ruling applies only to lawsuits by private figures against private defendants, that is, defendants not involved in the news business, over purely private matters.

    Most bloggers would fall under "private persons" and not "news organizations" I'd think. So say something true that puts a person in less than favorable light on your blog, and you get a libel suit? The US just made another step in digging itself siz feet under with lawsuits.

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    1. Re:Bloggers beware by Dragonslicer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So say something true that puts a person in less than favorable light on your blog, and you get a libel suit?

      Not necessarily. Under this Massachusetts law, you could be sued if you say something that's true and the sole purpose of saying it is to harm the other person. Revealing information about a politician because you believe it's important for the public to know that information, despite any potential harm to the subject, shouldn't be grounds for a lawsuit.

      Personally, I like the general concept of the law (preventing an action that's sole purpose is to harm another person), but I know that there's no good way to implement such a concept. Saying something that's true but negative about a politician should never be subject to libel law, but I can see how this law would quickly get twisted away from its purpose.

  11. Re:What does the first amendment actually say? by jbeaupre · · Score: 2, Informative

    Unfortunately, the Bill of Rights doesn't apply in civil cases.

    You couldn't have said it better! http://www.ushistory.org/documents/amendments.htm#amend07

    Really. You couldn't.

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  12. privacy, false light, actual malice by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It seems that the issue here is not just defamation and truth but also invasion of privacy. Even exposing truthful information can open one to a tort if that information is considered private and there is no reason to communicate it to third parties. In this case the court found it particularly troubling that the company violated its own policy on privacy when sending the email.

    The other problem mentioned in the court opinion itself there was also a false light issue -- even if the content of the email was true, strictly speaking, it falsely led readers to believe that Noonan not only was fired but also violated the law.

    Ultimately though the court was persuaded that even if the statement was true, it was made with "actual malice." The relevant Mass. law already has an exception built into defamation law that says a true statement can still be libelous if it is made with "actual malice," and they concluded in this case that the statement was made with such intent. The definition of actual malice the court settles on is quite different from the definition generally used in US law -- rather than "reckless disregard for truth," the court concludes that it means something like "ill will." It is this definition of "actual malice" that may undermine traditional interpretations of libel law. The notion that "truth as a defense" is undermined by this case is probably an exaggeration -- that defense is already undermined by the exemption itself as it exists in Massachusetts law.

  13. I hate it when the law changes the meaning of word by ContractualObligatio · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wow, this story covers pretty much all the angles that annoy me about bad legal decisions:

    • Suddenly a word that had a well known meaning in the real world (i.e. libels are lies) has a different meaning in law.
    • The plaintiff is complaining about a situation in which they were the ones doing something fundamentally wrong.
    • The truth seems to be less important than the ability to use weasel words and slippery logic.
    • It encourages bad behaviour e.g. in this case sales people with expense accounts who feel they don't need to keep records, and should suffer no adverse effects if they get caught.

    I'm a consultant, I claim expenses, I work with sales people who also claim expenses, and I don't see a need to be naive here. If you're sacking someone for what is essentially a free-loading lack of integrity, I don't you should be obliged by law to keep that fact hidden. True, normally it's a more respectful "John is moving on to new challenges" kind of message that goes out, but it shouldn't be illegal to let people know that bad behaviour can be caught and punished. Particularly in job roles that are typically well compensated in the context of any given employer, and where they are effectively entrusted with other people's money.

    I'm assuming here that the "sloppy" record keeping means money has been claimed that wasn't supported by an appropriate paper trail. Because who sacks people for claiming less expenses than they were due? That said, it's possible this was a vindictive sacking over a minor infringement made in genuine error. But if that's the case, fight the legal battle on those grounds rather than trying to set a precedent that could have far broader impact. I gotta say my gut feel is that people who distort language so much as to say libel means telling the truth are not to be trusted...

  14. Truth is a defense against libel [Re:Meh] by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The key point is that the trial court here has not considered any evidence yet. It made a purely legal ruling under Massachusetts law, and it was wrong because it failed to take into account the actual malice law.

    No, the key point is that the legal principle that truth is an absolute defense against a charge of libel is under attack in Massachusetts.

    This principle is one of the bedrocks upon which our freedom of speech is built.

    You're right that it's not a bad ruling. It's a terrible ruling.

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    1. Re:Truth is a defense against libel [Re:Meh] by greenreaper · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, it's more that the law is terrible than the ruling, though I don't know if the judge has the power to set aside such law in this case.

    2. Re:Truth is a defense against libel [Re:Meh] by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's not an absolute defense against libel. Truth is an AFFIRMATIVE defense against libel.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_defense

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    3. Re:Truth is a defense against libel [Re:Meh] by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I can't speak for the US, but in Australia to use the defense that an otherwise libelous statement is true it must also be shown to be in the public interest to disseminate. For example, if you have evidence to say that a public figure takes drugs, you could argue that it's important to bring to the attention of the general public. If you had evidence to say that a private citizen is a bastard, while true, it isn't clearly in the public interest and it could be held to be libelous.

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    4. Re:Truth is a defense against libel [Re:Meh] by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's not an absolute defense against libel. Truth is an AFFIRMATIVE defense against libel.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_defense

      Thanks for the wikipedia link. However, note that wikipedia lists truth as a defense against allegation of libel as the very first example in the article on absolute defense (legal)

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    5. Re:Truth is a defense against libel [Re:Meh] by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wikipedia slap fight!

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    6. Re:Truth is a defense against libel [Re:Meh] by Richy_T · · Score: 4, Funny

      Massachusetts? He should just be glad he's heavier than a duck.

    7. Re:Truth is a defense against libel [Re:Meh] by dotgain · · Score: 2, Funny

      canajin56 is a possible nailer-up of "Possible Child Molester" posters!

    8. Re:Truth is a defense against libel [Re:Meh] by shaitand · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The truth should not be absolute defense against a charge of libel when confidentiality is at issue.

      The problem isn't what they said about him, the problem is that the employee has a right to confidentiality that the company has an obligation to protect and the company violated that confidentiality. A company should not be telling the other staff or other companies anything beyond employment verification. In that case he already divulged that a relationship existed and the company is merely confirming that. The details of the employment relationship are confidential.

    9. Re:Truth is a defense against libel [Re:Meh] by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In the public interest != [some of] the public are interested in it.

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    10. Re:Truth is a defense against libel [Re:Meh] by sumdumass · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Geoffrey Landis is a liar that often writes and tells stories that never happened. He has lots of works that are nothing but fictional. He even claims to own race horses when he doesn't.

      Now it is true that you write Scifi and tell stories that transcends mental acuity right? So did I just tell the truth or did I attempt to maliciously smear your name? You did write that " I do have a horse or two in both of the races" didn't you?

      The problem is that the truth is often a rendition of fact or an opinion to be blunt. If I read one of your stories and decided that could never happen, I could say that you were lieing. However, a normal person would see them as one of your works of Science Fiction and you would probably want it viewed that way.

      So the question is, does the truth set me free? Do you actually write and tell stories that aren't true, never happened, or possible could never happen? Or was that statement about you being a liar a malicious intent to insult your good name. The truth is, you do write and tell stories that aren't true. And yes, my intent was to show you how the truth shouldn't always be a validation for a defense of libel. The truth is interpreted.

      All guesting aside, Geoffrey Landis is a great Scifi writer (I just talked with someone who read one of your works and strongly suggest I should too) and a pretty knowledgeable scientist that has done some great work with the various mars programs at nasa from all that I can tell about him. I only picked on him to show how the truth can be misinterpreted and applied in ways that probably shouldn't automatically vindicate someone of libel. Nothing I said was incorrect except for maybe the liar part where his fiction is presented as that, but someone could miss the presentation and mistake his fiction as one of his scientific endeavors.

      If the intent of the statement is malicious, I see no reason not to hold someone liable to it. Often the truth is a matter of opinion. Take the Stapples case for instance, they labeled the guy a thief for not presenting all his receipts. He claims he is a sloppy record keeper and all the reimbursements were justified. Without the receipts, someone took the opinion that he was stealing from the company and the facts back that up. If he finds the receipts, does that make the person's statement any less accurate given the information availible at the time when the truth was he was a bad record keeper and simply didn't provide the proper documentation?

      There is no absolutes when dealing with the truth. Especially when the truth is actually a collection of events being interpreted by someone who has to make a decision. This is most evident in car accidents witnessed by people viewing from different angles. There is always something that the other person didn't see or saw differently and it is common to have statements that conflict on who was at fault because of that. It's a flaw in humans that make us colorful because we interpret what we take in and process that information based on our own experiences, training, and whatever else that had made us unique individuals.

      Speaking of car accidents, I saw one where someone got T-boned going through an intersection. I was waiting to cross the road when it happened and after giving the statements to the police, an officer came around to see how sure I was that the car had a green light. It appears that the other witnesses claimed the other car had the green light. The traffic light was actually malfunctioning and while we talked about who had the green light, another officer noticed that both light turned green for half a cycle. It appeared that every 5 or 6 cycles, the light would give all directions a green light for around 15-20 seconds. The interesting thing is that we just assumed the other light was red because that's how it works normally. To say someone ran a red light and caused an accident would have ordinarily been a naturally truthful statement until we saw what was going on. This is yet another example of how the truth is often opinions based around facts and not necessarily just fact.

    11. Re:Truth is a defense against libel [Re:Meh] by belmolis · · Score: 4, Informative

      Truth is both an affirmative defense and an absolute defense against libel. They don't conflict. An affirmative defense is one in which the burden of proof is on the defendant. An absolute defense is one which, if proven, is entirely sufficient to prevent conviction. That is, if the defendant can show that what he said is true, a ruling for the plaintiff is impossible. Because truth is an affirmative defense, the burden of proof is on the defendant to establish the truth of what he said.

    12. Re:Truth is a defense against libel [Re:Meh] by Eskarel · · Score: 2, Informative

      The point is even an absolute defense doesn't give you carte blanche.

      If someone attacks you with deadly force, you are allowed to respond with deadly force. It doesn't entitle you to tie up the person you attacked and slowly torture them to death.

      Just so, truth is a defense against libel, but it shouldn't necessarily give you the right to destroy someone's reputation without good reason. There is no public interest in his former coworkers know why he lost his job, at least not one which overrides his right not to have it spread. It also appears that the law in question never allowed truth as an absolute defense of libel anyway.

    13. Re:Truth is a defense against libel [Re:Meh] by ari_j · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Judges hardly ever do something that the parties don't ask them to do. Judges also tend to be lazy, and decide things as quickly and simply as they can so that they can get back to the golf course. (To any judges reading this: Sorry, Your Honor, but satire is free speech, too. And you can make whatever jokes about me that you want. I'll even buy you a drink if it makes me laugh.)

      So this is how I think, without reading any details, this case went down. The trial court dismissed the lawsuit on the grounds that truth is an absolute defense to the libel action, and did not address the constitutional issue at all because it simply did not have to in order to get rid of the case. The appellate court has reversed on the truth-is-an-absolute-defense issue alone.

      Probably nobody thought to raise the constitutional issue because nobody remembered this weird 1912 statute until some associate at the law firm was working on the brief at 11 p.m. and stumbled across it. So now, back in the trial court, it's time to raise the constitutional issue.

      Truly, the thing that about 93% of Slashdot is missing here is that this is not the whole story on this lawsuit. Reading this story and extrapolating that the entire lawsuit has been finally decided as of right now is roughly equivalent to reading the source code for init(8) and then making assumptions based on that about how the rest of your GNU/Linux system works. Yeah, you'll have a few things right, but not many. There's just more to the story, and virtually all of it hasn't happened yet.

  15. public disclosure of private facts by SignalFreq · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think it will stick.

    Terms of a person's firing are almost always non-public. A company as large as Staples can't publish to ALL it's employees that they fired Bob over $5.00 misappropriated on an expense report. That's malicious. It's appropriate to say we will (and have) terminated over expense reports being wrong without giving the offenders name.

    I can't think of any company I've worked at that's attached names to memos like that. Even companies that actually call the cops on somebody don't typically inform the employees of the person's name, or particular details of the infraction beyond the company "rule book" for just this reason.

    Added bold for emphasis. This whole thing seems like it should be a "public disclosure of private facts" suit, not a Libel suit.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation

    In law, defamation (also called calumny, libel, slander, and vilification) is the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government or nation a negative image. Slander refers to a malicious, false and defamatory spoken statement or report, while libel refers to any other form of communication such as written words or images. Most jurisdictions allow legal actions, civil and/or criminal, to deter various kinds of defamation and retaliate against groundless criticism. Related to defamation is public disclosure of private facts, which arises where one person reveals information that is not of public concern, and the release of which would offend a reasonable person.

    "Unlike libel, truth is not a defense for invasion of privacy."

  16. More on Zenger by ODBOL · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, I'm glad that I followed my own suggestion, and reread the story of the Zenger case. It was weirder than I remembered, and perhaps more interesting than the current Staples thing, which is still in a bit of a fuzzy state.

    It appears that in English law at least through 1735, truth was no defense whatsoever against a libel charge. Yup: completely irrelevant. That's exactly what the judge told the jury in Zenger. Once Zenger admitted to publishing the pamphlets in question, the judge told the jury that they had nothing to decide, and must return a verdict of "guilty."

    Alexander Hamilton defended Zenger successfully, essentially by convincing the jury to nullify the law, a power that juries appear to possess through the present day, but which prosecutors and judges often seem to try to obscure.

    I hope that someone can post more factual information regarding the history of this trial, and later libel law in the US. In particular:

    1. I wonder whether the judge's instruction in the Zenger case constitutes what they call a "directed verdict," in which case the jury apparently defied the direction. Or was it just strong advice? Anyone know exactly how directed verdicts work? Does the jury have an opportunity to ignore the direction?

    2. Can anyone clarify the subsequent English and US history of libel law? To what extent, and how, is truth established as a defense? Has the first amendment to the US constitution been deemed relevant?

    3. Any further stuff on jury nullification?

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  17. Re:What does the first amendment actually say? by westlake · · Score: 2, Informative
    Unfortunately, the Bill of Rights doesn't apply in civil cases.

    Unless the civil action involves the state or federal governments.

  18. You are misusing Wikipedia by Estanislao+Mart�nez · · Score: 5, Informative

    The law is different in every state, and even often within different counties of the same state. You cannot apply Wikipedia's definitions of crimes and torts to cases that are being disputed under the law of one specific jurisdiction, because there's a very good chance that the definitions and case law is not the same.

    Wikipedia's definitions of crimes and torts are a usually a sort of lowest common denominator to help you understand the overall landscape of what general types of acts jurisdictions treat as crimes or torts; so, yes, jurisdictions normally have laws that deal with the public disclosure of private facts. The precise classification is always jurisdiction-specific; some jursidictions might have a separate tort or offense for it, some might treat it as one subcase of other offenses.

  19. Prepare the tar and feathers by EGenius007 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that they got this judgment right. Relevant Massachusetts law says libel is untruthful or malicious statements against a person's character. Staples made statements that, while truthful, may well have been malicious due to the scope and context of their presentation.

    Now a judge or jury will hear arguments from both sides. Previously, a judge had simply heard Staples say (paraphrasing) "nothing in this widely distributed e-mail that defamed the plaintiff was factually untrue, so these charges must be dismissed." This disregarded the fact that the e-mail describing Noonan's firing for violation of company policies was itself a violation of company policy, that the subtext of the message implied he had willfully violated company policy for his own profit when he maintains the violations were done in a combination of good faith and company-wide SOP that defied the letter of the written and largely un-enforced official policy, and that the context and timing of the firing as well as the inclusion of his name in the e-mail might lead those who read it to believe that Staples felt he had broken the law.

    Seems that both parties acted immorally. Noonan simply wants his day in court to prove that Staples also acted illegally. His case DOES deserve to be heard, and Massachusetts probably DOES need to reexamine this law.

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    I know what you did last summer. Just kidding, I don't work at the NSA.
  20. First Amendment fears are ridiculous . . . by pacergh · · Score: 2, Informative
    Whoever that press lawyer is must not have done well in Constitutional law, or must be angling for more billable hours for "research" from his press clients.

    There is almost no way this can apply to media defendants. Further, the only way it could apply would strip it of almost all of its teeth.

    Still, I think those wondering why this didn't fall under a privacy tort are on the mark.

    This is the release of private information of a highly embarrassing nature, one of the four classic privacy torts. The question is how does the state in question treat such a privacy tort (each is different).

    Another interesting aspect of this case is the law in question, from 1902, is 12 years after the famous Warren and Brandeis "The Right to Privacy" Harvard Law Review article. (http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/privacy/Privacy_brand_warr2.html)

    It appears the 1902 law may have been an early attempt to recognize a privacy tort through the tort of libel.

    Finally, the torts are not criminal cases. Therefore, the actions of Staples can not be classified as "illegal." Accordingly, questions of intent are not terribly relevant (accept as far as specific tort elements are concerned, and then they are weighed differently than criminal intents).

  21. shouldn't that be something other than libel? by Trepidity · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can see a useful principle of "employee confidentiality", appropriately delineated. But that seems like a separate issue from libel, and should be covered by a separate statute, with violations being prosecuted as "violation of employee confidentiality", not as "libel".